Woman Goes Viral Saying Canadians Should Claim Refugee Status

[optimusprime69]

My phrase was actually, "they (ODSP) don't' have Doctors assigned to them. " which is not the same as saying "No" Doctor. Obviously Doctors get paid by patient per year not matter their financial status. However, as you possibly know, Doctors don't take 'high touch' patients and ODSP by definition tend to be problematic patients. Thus, unlike refugees - at last those in Waterloo Region - who get assigned Doctors and the like - ODSP recipients are forced to find their own Doctors. No big deal right? Just like the rest of us. However, there's a twist here. If Doctors discover their status, they might find problems finding a Doctor and not know why. No one wants problematic patients. They're money/time losers. Thus, my main point was refugees are assigned medical care, not OSDPs don't have medical doctors.

Thus, I would argue I wasn't make it worse than it is, I'm pointing out the general realities that are ignored for those in many of these discussions. The local refugee program pay Dentists 100% btw and the Doctors work for Public Health so everyone is 'high touch'. It's quite a different experience.

For your ODSP friends that do have Dentists, hang on to them. Possibly less of an issue now with Federal coverage.

example...mind you I recognize the plural of anecdotes is not data

https://www.reddit.com/r/Odsp/comments/1ih4nco So illy dentist who I had prior to ODSP told me today I am not covered there with ODSP unfortunately. I then called the 5 other dentists in my town only to find out this is common practice. A couple said they have a few ODSP spots but they fill fast ....So whereas all insurance companies pay X, ODSP just pays Y. One example I was given was a basic exam. Insurance companies pay 44 and ODSP pays 19. Now he said magnify this with expensive procedures. Basically it’s just not worth their time to take ODSP patient.

This could be true of vision care as well. I don't know and I'm too lazy to ask around.

I'm sure your words are falling on deaf ears. She already knows everything about everything. Just as her.

You made a lot of good points and unfortunately you are correct. A lot of odsp recipients face an uphill battle on most fronts. Except Jennie's friends, they all get treated well by the system.

 

[Jenesis]

My phrase was actually, "they (ODSP) don't' have Doctors assigned to them. " which is not the same as saying "No" Doctor. Obviously Doctors get paid by patient per year not matter their financial status. However, as you possibly know, Doctors don't take 'high touch' patients and ODSP by definition tend to be problematic patients. Thus, unlike refugees - at last those in Waterloo Region - who get assigned Doctors and the like - ODSP recipients are forced to find their own Doctors. No big deal right? Just like the rest of us. However, there's a twist here. If Doctors discover their status, they might find problems finding a Doctor and not know why. No one wants problematic patients. They're money/time losers. Thus, my main point was refugees are assigned medical care, not OSDPs don't have medical doctors.

Thus, I would argue I wasn't make it worse than it is, I'm pointing out the general realities that are ignored for those in many of these discussions. The local refugee program pay Dentists 100% btw and the Doctors work for Public Health so everyone is 'high touch'. It's quite a different experience.

For your ODSP friends that do have Dentists, hang on to them. Possibly less of an issue now with Federal coverage.

example...mind you I recognize the plural of anecdotes is not data

https://www.reddit.com/r/Odsp/comments/1ih4nco So illy dentist who I had prior to ODSP told me today I am not covered there with ODSP unfortunately. I then called the 5 other dentists in my town only to find out this is common practice. A couple said they have a few ODSP spots but they fill fast ....So whereas all insurance companies pay X, ODSP just pays Y. One example I was given was a basic exam. Insurance companies pay 44 and ODSP pays 19. Now he said magnify this with expensive procedures. Basically it’s just not worth their time to take ODSP patient.

This could be true of vision care as well. I don't know and I'm too lazy to ask around.

No one is "assigned" a doctor and you already have to have one to fill out the meidcal to get on ODSP. So that makes no sense. It is often filled out by specialist because they have more knowledge then a GP on the disability. I have yet to hear of one doctor refusing a patient on ODSP. Maybe dentists, even though we interviewed a few clinics and all accepted ODSP, but doctors is a different story. We are covered by OHIP. A completely different plan and unisversal across the board so denying an ODSP patient because they are on ODSP makes no sense. They don’t have to find one, they already have one.

Again, I'm not saying the system is not already an issue but no doctors and no dentist is just not the reality as I have experienced and certainly not one that you have proved with data. Reddit is not stats. Small towns all have issues with health care. There are not enough doctors or dentist to go around and that may also play a factor into this.

Also, a lot of people don't know about discretionary funds. Including dentists who can get more but they don't know how. Education in these areas would help.

However, I stand by my opinion. There is no need to try and make it sound worse. It is bad enough on its own. I mean I think we agree it is already a difficult program that needs an overhaul, no? And we agree that our own should be cared for first, no?

I just saying that outright is maybe the better way to go. ODSP needs an overhaul and those people should be taken care of better and first before refugees. Point blank period. Nothing more really needs to be said. Just my opinion though. If I can agree with your main point but find flaws in your arguement, then the main point gets lost. Making it sound worse feels like forcing sympathies and that turns people off. Can't fight with the direct factual approach. But you know me - I like it direct. LOL.

 

[Jenesis]

I'm sure your words are falling on deaf ears. She already knows everything about everything. Just as her.

You made a lot of good points and unfortunately you are correct. A lot of odsp recipients face an uphill battle on most fronts. Except Jennie's friends, they all get treated well by the system.

Still butthurt I see.

BTW - I know you think you are gaining a friend who is against me and that makes you all giddy with a bro boner but him and I know each other, intimately, and are having a civil conversation. We can have a minor disagreement here and agree elsewhere and still each other. If I was still touring, we would see each other more. He already knows all about me. This is just talk on a forum that neither one of us take seriously. Just FYI for your boner that you got when reading his reply. LOL.

 

[optimusprime69]

Still butthurt I see.

BTW - I know you think you are gaining a friend who is against me and that makes you all giddy with a bro boner but him and I know each other, intimately, and are having a civil conversation. We can have a minor disagreement here and agree elsewhere and still each other. If I was still touring, we would see each other more. He already knows all about me. This is just talk on a forum that neither one of us take seriously. Just FYI for your boner that you got when reading his reply. LOL.

So every dude I reply to is to try and gain a 'boner bro'? Interesting theory, thanks for stopping by....

 

[kinkystinky]

Let me fill in some missing information from speaking with and knowing refugees

Work includes: Uber, factory work, under the table other work, medical experiments, sex work...I'm sure many of our members fucked refugees and Gave them money.

But also refugees have a network of families and often times they do have wealth they bring over from their homeland.

If you're a refugee from a country with already established community in Canada there maybe other help within that community.

Many people live in one overcrowded house.

There are many ways to survive..many of you are so full of money youre kind of out of touch.

 

[Jenesis]

So every dude I reply to is to try and gain a 'boner bro'? Interesting theory, thanks for stopping by....

Oh come on….. it is so obvious how excited you were. You thought someone was on “your side” and was going against me. It is clear as day. This is how you kind works.

Just like 2 people like your other post that I laughed at so in your mind you were winning and you got all butthurt with Squeezer calling him my white knight because he happened to agree with me. You are all about this stupidness of online right and wrong, sides and battles.

and BTW. I said bro bonner. Mean you got all hard at the notion of someone on your side. A bonner bro is someone you share bonners with. Two totally different things and I know for a fact Speaker is not on board with.

 

[speakercontrols]

No one is "assigned" a doctor and you already have to have one to fill out the meidcal to get on ODSP. So that makes no sense.

I'm open to believe that I'm not writing very well. However, what I said was this;

"Thus, unlike refugees - at last those in Waterloo Region - who get assigned Doctors and the like"​

To me this is pretty clear that I'm saying refugees who end up in the Waterloo region get assigned Doctors. This has nothing to do with ODSP.

I'm uncertain why you're fixated on that I said (when I clearly didn't) , ODSP either don't get a doctor or ODSP are assigned one. I've clearly said neither.

Furthermore, you had stated, "you already have to have one to fill out the medical to get on ODSP.". I mean, no shit. I don't know why you think I said otherwise. For this is what I actually stated, "...ODSP recipients are forced to find their own Doctors." Pretty much what you just stated now isn't it?

I don't think you are but I'm trying to figure out if you're deliberately trolling me by deliberated mis-stating what I actually said with some sort of Straw Man for kicks and giggles.

As for the examples of your friend with her Dentist, assuming what you're stating is true (what you're being told by your friend), her Dentist is taking a HUGE HUGE financial hit on providing those services. ODSP barely covers costs and in many cases below costs. Something is fishy and this is far, far from typical - at least compared to here in Waterloo/Wellington region.

What you said...
"ODSP needs an overhaul and those people should be taken care of better and first before refugees. Point blank period. Nothing more really needs to be said. Just my opinion though" - we are saying the same thing.

 

[optimusprime69]

Oh come on….. it is so obvious how excited you were. You thought someone was on “your side” and was going against me. It is clear as day. This is how you kind works.

Just like 2 people like your other post that I laughed at so in your mind you were winning and you got all butthurt with Squeezer calling him my white knight because he happened to agree with me. You are all about this stupidness of online right and wrong, sides and battles.

and BTW. I said bro bonner. Mean you got all hard at the notion of someone on your side. A bonner bro is someone you share bonners with. Two totally different things and I know for a fact Speaker is not on board with.

Lmfao! That's quite the imagination you have there! Good for you. lol I have zero interest in a pissing match with you. Play by yourself.

 

[Jenesis]

I'm open to believe that I'm not writing very well. However, what I said was this;

"Thus, unlike refugees - at last those in Waterloo Region - who get assigned Doctors and the like"​

To me this is pretty clear that I'm saying refugees who end up in the Waterloo region get assigned Doctors. This has nothing to do with ODSP.

I'm uncertain why you're fixated on that I said (when I clearly didn't) , ODSP either don't get a doctor or ODSP are assigned one. I've clearly said neither.

Furthermore, you had stated, "you already have to have one to fill out the medical to get on ODSP.". I mean, no shit. I don't know why you think I said otherwise. For this is what I actually stated, "...ODSP recipients are forced to find their own Doctors." Pretty much what you just stated now isn't it?

I don't think you are but I'm trying to figure out if you're deliberately trolling me by deliberated mis-stating what I actually said with some sort of Straw Man for kicks and giggles.

As for the examples of your friend with her Dentist, assuming what you're stating is true (what you're being told by your friend), her Dentist is taking a HUGE HUGE financial hit on providing those services. ODSP barely covers costs and in many cases below costs. Something is fishy and this is far, far from typical - at least compared to here in Waterloo/Wellington region.

What you said...
"ODSP needs an overhaul and those people should be taken care of better and first before refugees. Point blank period. Nothing more really needs to be said. Just my opinion though" - we are saying the same thing.

I can assure you that she is getting what I say. I'm her POA. I take her to her medical appointments include dentist as she suffers from anxiety. It is why we interviewed wa few clinics and every one accepted ODSP. We didn't search out dentists that do or anything special, just looked up dentists with good reviews on google and went from there.

She gets 4 cleanings a year with gas. I know because I take her. She had root canals and fillings and they even put bonding on her teeth to do a faux whitening treatment. She is not the only person I know on ODSP and is getting dental.

But I do know my BFF in Timmins comes down here for dentist work because it is faster and cheaper to fly down here and get stuff done. Living in a small town it is next to impossible to get appointments. He is paying full price out of pocket. Small towns are different regarding medical/dental and have their issues unrelated to income/insurance so maybe that is why Waterloo is having more trouble then say Durham or Toronto.

So hence why I don't feel it is as dire as you made it out to be. I just felt you were exaggerating a bit.

As for the assigned doctor, I can see how I misread that I guess but how does a refugee getting assigned a doctor have anything to do with ODSP recipients? Which is who were you talking about. Everyone in Canada is not assigned a doctor so I'm sorry but you made it quite confusing that you were not relating the doctor/refugee issue with people specifically on ODSP. I mean why bring up doctors being assigned at all when you are comparing refugees to those on ODSP? And then double down saying that doctors are refusing ODSP patients? That one has me really confuses me.

 

[Jenesis]

Lmfao! That's quite the imagination you have there! Good for you. lol I have zero interest in a pissing match with you. Play by yourself.

 

[speakercontrols]

So hence why I don't feel it is as dire as you made it out to be. I just felt you were exaggerating a bit.

As for the assigned doctor, I can see how I misread that I guess but how does a refugee getting assigned a doctor have anything to do with ODSP recipients? Which is who were you talking about. Everyone in Canada is not assigned a doctor so I'm sorry but you made it quite confusing that you were not relating the doctor/refugee issue with people specifically on ODSP. I mean why bring up doctors being assigned at all when you are comparing refugees to those on ODSP? And then double down saying that doctors are refusing ODSP patients? That one has me really confuses me.

"So hence why I don't feel it is as dire as you made it out to be. I just felt you were exaggerating a bit."
It is NOT the same out here in Waterloo/Wellington region, I can assure you. You're assuming your experience is Universal which in many cases, is not true. It sounds like Durham has gotten extra funding possibly due to political connections and is sucking the other regions dry.

"As for the assigned doctor, I can see how I misread that I guess but how does a refugee getting assigned a doctor have anything to do with ODSP recipients? "
It was a comparison - not an equivalency - to illustrate the differences on how those without income are treated by the government. Here in Waterloo Region, they are automatically assigned a medical doctor via the local Public Health organizations. Just because you don't know something exists, does not mean it doesn't.


" And then double down saying that doctors are refusing ODSP patients? That one has me really confuses me."
Jeez Jen, get off this horse. I've already addressed this and this is the 3rd time. Are you doing this on purpose? Not reading any replies and just assuming I'm saying what you want me to say? I'm picturing that you've found my button and you're manically pushing it for kicks and giggles. At least I hope that's true. I'm not sure I like the alternative.

You're likely confused because I never stated medical Doctors refuse ODSP patients because they're ODSP. Feel free to go back and read what I stated about 'high touch' medical patients. In fact, if you reply, PLEASE feel free to quote the exact sentence I wrote. Moreover, I stated Dentists. While they are both called Doctors, surprising...wait for it....wait for it...they have different jobs and are paid differently. I suppose Vets are called Doctors as well but I'm hoping many won't confuse their job versus medical doctors and dental Doctors. Never mind PhDs right?

I'm starting to believe your social media - or at least TERB - response strategy is to purposely mis-state what someone has said. This way they spend their time correcting your obvious mis-statements instead of pointing out the flaws in your own arguments. e.g. You're projecting that your experience must be universal and is true for everyone. You'll notice I've included the phrase, "in Waterloo Region" multiple times so don't both stating that I do the same.

 

[Jenesis]

"So hence why I don't feel it is as dire as you made it out to be. I just felt you were exaggerating a bit."
It is NOT the same out here in Waterloo/Wellington region, I can assure you. You're assuming your experience is Universal which in many cases, is not true. It sounds like Durham has gotten extra funding possibly due to political connections and is sucking the other regions dry.

"As for the assigned doctor, I can see how I misread that I guess but how does a refugee getting assigned a doctor have anything to do with ODSP recipients? "
It was a comparison - not an equivalency - to illustrate the differences on how those without income are treated by the government. Here in Waterloo Region, they are automatically assigned a medical doctor via the local Public Health organizations. Just because you don't know something exists, does not mean it doesn't.


" And then double down saying that doctors are refusing ODSP patients? That one has me really confuses me."
Jeez Jen, get off this horse. I've already addressed this and this is the 3rd time. Are you doing this on purpose? Not reading any replies and just assuming I'm saying what you want me to say? I'm picturing that you've found my button and you're manically pushing it for kicks and giggles. At least I hope that's true. I'm not sure I like the alternative.

You're likely confused because I never stated medical Doctors refuse ODSP patients because they're ODSP. Feel free to go back and read what I stated about 'high touch' medical patients. In fact, if you reply, PLEASE feel free to quote the exact sentence I wrote. Moreover, I stated Dentists. While they are both called Doctors, surprising...wait for it....wait for it...they have different jobs and are paid differently. I suppose Vets are called Doctors as well but I'm hoping many won't confuse their job versus medical doctors and dental Doctors. Never mind PhDs right?

I'm starting to believe your social media - or at least TERB - response strategy is to purposely mis-state what someone has said. This way they spend their time correcting your obvious mis-statements instead of pointing out the flaws in your own arguments. e.g. You're projecting that your experience must be universal and is true for everyone. You'll notice I've included the phrase, "in Waterloo Region" multiple times so don't both stating that I do the same.

I’m not going to continue to go back and forth with because clearly it is getting frustrating for you and I don’t want that. I’m not purposely trying to push your buttons. So we will just leave it here. I apologize for causing you any distress.

 

[speakercontrols]

. I’m not purposely trying to push your buttons.

Bummer....I pictured giggles. All good.

 

[Jenesis]

Bummer....I pictured giggles. All good.

Those buttons I will always push.

 

[Jubee]

14:30 teach them useless shit, break traditional values, strong nuclear family, watch the first 14 mins.
Wait til you hear about his take on the Media at 16:25, start from 16:00

Anyone watch the above? lol
I'll share it again.
Jump to 14:00 and watch through to 17:00, only 3 minutes.

 

[Spunky1]

So many friends that have stories of their grandparents coming to Canada with 10.00 or nothing in their pockets .
Starting businesses putting themselves through school to build a better life for themselves and their families.
Now refugees come here with their hands out . Gimme Gimme Gimme

 

[optimusprime69]

So many friends that have stories of their grandparents coming to Canada with 10.00 or nothing in their pockets .
Starting businesses putting themselves through school to build a better life for themselves and their families.
Now refugees come here with their hands out . Gimme Gimme Gimme