Of course and I stated that in my post as well. The point I'm trying to touch on, is given the increased demands and requirements necessary for the elite forces, should a woman prove herself to be qualified under these more strenous guidelines, then I'm not sure why we wouldn't allow them into these advanced programs. I acknowledge there would be very few women who would actually qualify, however should they meet these criteria and are rejected, then yes, I would view that as discrimination.
Women are precluded from becoming Navy SEALs
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Not officially, but in an era of guerilla warfare in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, merely being on the ground can become a combat role. Over 125 US women have died serving in Iraq and Afghan.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/23/us-military-women-in-combat
Never. Some of my friends did, but I had other interests.
As for qualifications, my academic and athletic performance in school far exceeded those of my friends who did join.
But elite forces are different. Even as a younger man, I do not believe I would have been able to make the cut for an elite group like the SEALs. The regimented lifestyle and extreme physical demands would be too much to bear.
Boy that is a tough question. It indeed would be an unusual and probably not particularly feminine woman who could meet the requirements of something like the SFS in the UK or the Q Course or BUD/S such courses have but a 20 percent pass rate and that is after the self-selection (for instance I never even gave it a thought). However, I still wonder what it would do to unit cohesion.
Aardy, my post was generic in reply to rld's post. Yes, I read the quoted information, and I don't personally have a stance on women serving in special forces or not. On this, I'm impartial. I thank all that serve their countries.
I'm sorry, you'll have to show me where that site stated WHY women can't join as I couldn't find that exact answer? It stated all the requirements then at the bottem under additionals stated must be male. That doesn't explain why or anything that we didn't already know. And you can't copy and paste of of it anyway?
Under FAQ you can C &P & it states:
◦Male
◦U.S. citizen
◦17 - 28 years old
◦Pass the Physical Screening Test
◦Pass the dive medical physical
◦Pass the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery with the required scores
◦Be eligible for a Secret-level security clearance
Then:
Q. Is the Navy SEAL program open to women?
A. No
Uhhh thanks for clarifying lol.
That's right, no reason is given. That's why I told you to ask them and provided a link you can use to contact them through. You stated in an earlier post that you didn't see any reason why a woman meeting the qualifications should not not be able to serve, so here is your opportunity to find out.
Sorry, that makes sense, didn't see the 'ask them' part. I just saw the link and the copy and paste the answer part underneath it.
I will shoot off a little email and see what answer they give me. They obviously can't come out and say "Because you're a woman" I can imagine it will be very 'politically correct'.
I did come across this and the answers were what I imagined they would be:
http://blog.usnavyseals.com/2008/10/women-in-seals-could-real-gi-jane-exist.html
I will shoot off a little email and see what answer they give me. They obviously can't come out and say "Because you're a woman" I can imagine it will be very 'politically correct'.
I did come across this and the answers were what I imagined they would be:
http://blog.usnavyseals.com/2008/10/women-in-seals-could-real-gi-jane-exist.html
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The question 'why' aren't women being accepted into the SEALS wasn't because I didn't know what answers they were going to feed me, it's bc I dont understand 'why' even if they happen to meet the same criteria stated on the site. They are going to provide me with the same PC answers I referenced from that blog and you and I both know that's not the real reason women aren't being accepted. Hence why it was a bit feeble attempt on your behalf to try and 'airbrush' over the situation when when in reality it's bc of views like yours:
" Likewise, if I were in the army (let alone privileged to be member of a special elite force) I would NOT want females fighting alongside with me or guarding my back."
Funny, you made no mention of womens menstrual cycles there? And you think the SEALS would come out and say what you said? Why do you think they dont even provide the why themselves on the website?
Them giving safe answers like housing conflicts and womens menstrual cycle are hilarious when we both know that's not the issue at heart that's preventing them from being accepted in. And given the fact that isn't the real reason at heart, it only further provokes me to ask the question 'why' if certain females do happen to meet the grueling criteria.
The question 'why' aren't women being accepted into the SEALS wasn't because I didn't know what answers they were going to feed me, it's bc I dont understand 'why' even if they happen to meet the same criteria stated on the site. They are going to provide me with the same PC answers I referenced from that blog and you and I both know that's not the real reason women aren't being accepted. Hence why it was a bit feeble attempt on your behalf to try and 'airbrush' over the situation when when in reality it's bc of views like yours:
" Likewise, if I were in the army (let alone privileged to be member of a special elite force) I would NOT want females fighting alongside with me or guarding my back."
Funny, you made no mention of womens menstrual cycles there? And you think the SEALS would come out and say what you said? Why do you think they dont even provide the why themselves on the website?
Them giving safe answers like housing conflicts and womens menstrual cycle are hilarious when we both know that's not the issue at heart that's preventing them from being accepted in. And given the fact that isn't the real reason at heart, it only further provokes me to ask the question 'why' if certain females do happen to meet the grueling criteria.
The pass rate for top-tier SOF is ridiculously low, as Hangman noted, most male applicants don't cut it. The selection process usually results in a few serious injuries; dudes have also died.
In the military, you are pretty much being evaluated all the time; if you stand out, someone will probably notice. If you stand out positively, someone might suggest you consider trying out something more challenging and help you towards that if you are agreeable to it........be careful what you say yes to!!!
Most dudes don't pass the course; and even if you are the "best" applicant going into the selection process, all you need is one mistake and you could be out, so there's also a bit of luck. You might be asked to try again, but usually you only get that one chance.
Theres some pretty tough, smart & fit women in the military (I usually assume they are dykes...............KIDDING!!), and I'm sure one day one will pass the course (after hundreds of others have challenged & failed). Whether the wives' of the rest of the team-members will be accepting of her is another hurdle to cross.
In the military, you are pretty much being evaluated all the time; if you stand out, someone will probably notice. If you stand out positively, someone might suggest you consider trying out something more challenging and help you towards that if you are agreeable to it........be careful what you say yes to!!!
Most dudes don't pass the course; and even if you are the "best" applicant going into the selection process, all you need is one mistake and you could be out, so there's also a bit of luck. You might be asked to try again, but usually you only get that one chance.
Theres some pretty tough, smart & fit women in the military (I usually assume they are dykes...............KIDDING!!), and I'm sure one day one will pass the course (after hundreds of others have challenged & failed). Whether the wives' of the rest of the team-members will be accepting of her is another hurdle to cross.
Without doubt some are. However, of far greater concern (beyond the physical) is the "little sister phenomenon" this isn't much of a factor among pilots, or engine technicians or ships company although it is there. It certainly does, however, become an issue in units in ground combat where men are going to risk their lives when it is a woman in a way that they wouldn’t for another man in the unit.
