Wrongfully convicted man freed after 23 years!

[danmand]

In my book, if someone aids in killing another human (and in this case AT LEAST 4 humans e.g. Tammy, Leslie, Kristin and whoever victim "x" was) is just as guilty as the person whom you say is the head killer... and should suffer the same fate as well.

I think, if you consider a few more things, that it may not be so black and white,
which is likely the reason the law sees it differently.

1. Aiding is a very wide concept, ranging from being a lookout to holding the
victim while someone saws off the head.

2. It is possible for a person to gain control over another person, by different means,
indoctrination, drugs, hypnosis, brutalizing etc. etc.

I think in some cases the helper is as culpable as the killer, but in other cases not.

 

[Mr. Lucky]

I read somewhere that Dallas has The most exonerations in the U.S. because evidence
is held decades after a crime...DNA testing wasn't availbale years ago when these men were

wrongfully convicted...thank The Lord For DNA testing to Set these men free but there isn't
a price on the years they lost behind bars...still I think that the state should give each
"exoneree" a large amount Of $ for lost years so they may start a new life.

Dallas should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[Cycleguy007]

I think, if you consider a few more things, that it may not be so black and white,
which is likely the reason the law sees it differently.

1. Aiding is a very wide concept, ranging from being a lookout to holding the
victim while someone saws off the head.

2. It is possible for a person to gain control over another person, by different means,
indoctrination, drugs, hypnosis, brutalizing etc. etc.

I think in some cases the helper is as culpable as the killer, but in other cases not.

I don't disagree with you danmand... However in this case, I believe that Karla was leaning significantly more towards the "more culpable" side. Wadda you think? Just curious.

 

[james t kirk]

To all those "heroic" law and order death penalty proponents, put yourself in the shoes of James Driskell, Romeo Phillion, Thomas Sophonow, William Mullins-Johnson, Steven Truscott, Erin Walsh, Donald Marshall Jr., David Milgaard and Guy Paul Morin. Not to mention supposed "rapists" Anthony Hanemaayer and Simon Marshall. Or their families.

Most of you would (and probably did at the time) call for them to be executed or gang raped to death in prison.

All were proven innocent, sometimes after they were already dead.

Exactly.

Each and every one of the above are case of the cops finding a guy they "knew" did it, tayloring the evidence to suit their target, ignoring or even supressing evidence that would have cleared them.

On top of that, I truly believe that the death penalty demeans us all. That said, life should mean life behind bars until the day you die. Not 25 years and you're eligible for parole, or 15 years feighnt hope clause. Nope, the door closes behind you and you never come out except feet first in a box.

 

[Moraff]

Exactly.

Each and every one of the above are case of the cops finding a guy they "knew" did it, tayloring the evidence to suit their target, ignoring or even supressing evidence that would have cleared them.

But in those cases the majority of us advocating a death penalty wouldn't apply it to those cases. Save it for when there are a) several eye witnesses, b) video evidence etc.... isn't Texas where if 3 or more people see you commit a murder you go to the head of the death penalty line?

On top of that, I truly believe that the death penalty demeans us all. That said, life should mean life behind bars until the day you die. Not 25 years and you're eligible for parole, or 15 years feighnt hope clause. Nope, the door closes behind you and you never come out except feet first in a box.

If life in prison definitely means life, why go to the expense of keeping the ones that are 100% guilty around until they croak? Better to send them back around the karma wheel so they can redeem their souls earlier rather than later.

 

[Rono]

Good thing they did not Jeffrey Dalmarize him.

 

[danmand]

I don't disagree with you danmand... However in this case, I believe that Karla was leaning significantly more towards the "more culpable" side. Wadda you think? Just curious.

You are the one who said it (and got me thinking): Bernardo did not kill anybody before he met Homolka.

 

[spankingman]

Unlike here in Canada MOST LE, Judges DA's etc in the USA are ELECTED Officials. Because they don't want to LOSE their cushy spots they cow-tow to the masses. This I feel results in a lot of the innocent going to jail usually minorities who through either lack of education or funds for lawyers get bowled over in the legal system.

Alot of these Officials rely on public DONATIONS for their campaigns so I am sure a lot of "behind the scenes" justice is done "you scratch mine" etc.

Its a real shame a person gets sent to prison knowing he or she is innocent and is only there because of poor police work or lack of a real defense etc.

 

[Hurricane Hank]

To all those "heroic" law and order death penalty proponents, put yourself in the shoes of James Driskell, Romeo Phillion, Thomas Sophonow, William Mullins-Johnson, Steven Truscott, Erin Walsh, Donald Marshall Jr., David Milgaard and Guy Paul Morin. Not to mention supposed "rapists" Anthony Hanemaayer and Simon Marshall. Or their families.

Most of you would (and probably did at the time) call for them to be executed or gang raped to death in prison.

All were proven innocent, sometimes after they were already dead.

I personally know someone on your list. He was an easy scapegoat at the time of the crime. Having said that, I am in favour of the death penalty, for those proven guilty with DNA evidence as part of the conviction.

 

[Jade4u]

Absolutly bring on the death penalty. Those who kidnap children and then kill them definatly deserve to die imho. Why waste clean sheets, detergent food and space on them? Karla Hamolka and Paul Bernardo come to mind as well as that most recent case of a child walking home from school who never made it. If there is enough sound proof against someone or a clean confession of guilt then I say go for it. Laws are too lenient imho for some of the crimes committed leaving loved ones to suffer the loss of another loved one. Plus it seems they always get out earlier than what thier sentences are for good behaviour etc... There is mention of rehabilitation and I believe possibly half go on to commit the same crimes again. What about the ones that just get smarter and just never get caught committing the same acts again?

I don't agree with the old system either where confessions would be beaten out of a suspect and possibly just to stop torture someone would confess, but laws do need to be toughened up to make people fear committing such terrible crimes. DNA testing has come a long way and the odds of wrongful conviction I would assume would decrease severly as well. If there is doubt but a very high possibility that the person did commit the crime then I say the sentences should be also increased.

 

[rafterman]

Don't forget Guy Paul Morin convicted of killing Christine Jessop, a horrible sex crime against a child, and then exonerated. Police incompetence and tunnel vision were highly significant in the wrongful conviction. The crime remains unsolved.

 

[grooverider]

What you are saying is it is better a million killers live than one innocent man die?

There is some validity to that argument and has been used halt the use of the death penalty in many countries and states.

I say yes, but do you agree with that statement if you are the innocent man. You seem pretty quick too put innocents to death, as long as they aren't you.

Always in the Groove...

 

[papasmerf]

I say yes, but do you agree with that statement if you are the innocent man. You seem pretty quick too put innocents to death, as long as they aren't you.

Always in the Groove...

You seem to have jumped to a conclusion.

I do support the death penalty but have never shared my criteria for being sentenced to it and have no plans on doing so. I rather like watching lemmings such as you jump.

 

[The LoLRus]

I remember watching a show on Dateline (or some show like that) where a dozen or so convicts were proven wrongly convicted due to new DNA techniques and the DA didnt wanna release them, he thought it might set a dangerous precedent.
Thats how corrupt and fucked up some of them are.

It took a special governors order to release the prisoners ASAP, most of whom were black btw.
I think this happened in Michigan or Illinois, I cant remember

 

[grooverider]

You seem to have jumped to a conclusion.

I do support the death penalty but have never shared my criteria for being sentenced to it and have no plans on doing so. I rather like watching lemmings such as you jump.

You're the one who wants innocents to die so we can get all of the killers, why wouldn't you want to stand behind your words? I may be a lemming, but at least I'm not a hypocrite.

Always in the Groove...

 

[papasmerf]

You're the one who wants innocents to die so we can get all of the killers, why wouldn't you want to stand behind your words? I may be a lemming, but at least I'm not a hypocrite.

Always in the Groove...

Actualy you are both.

You are once again jumping to a conclusion where you have no facts.


Your denial of it makes you a hypocrite.

 

[grooverider]

Actualy you are both.

You are once again jumping to a conclusion where you have no facts.

Your denial of it makes you a hypocrite.

You still haven't answered my question. If you were sentenced to the death penalty and you were innocent, would you still support it or would you change your tune because you are on death row?
You may not have plans on being sentenced to the death penalty, but I'm sure other people who were wrongly sentenced to the death penalty didn't wake up in the morning trying to get lethal injection either.
Are you afraid of saying that you not be in favour of it if you were wrongly sentenced? That is a hypocrite, and that is you.

Always in the Groove...

 

[james t kirk]

Don't forget Guy Paul Morin convicted of killing Christine Jessop, a horrible sex crime against a child, and then exonerated. Police incompetence and tunnel vision were highly significant in the wrongful conviction. The crime remains unsolved.

Actually, the police rail-roaded Morin.

There was no evidence against hime, so they fabricated it. When there was evidence exonerating him, they buried it and worse than that, the crown was working with the cops to bury him.

I was watching a doc on the whole thing and they showed an interview with one of the chubby soccor moms who was on the jury (before they figured out that he was innocent) She said, and I quote, "I knew he did it when he was testifying and he didn't make eye contact with the jury"

Shows you how stupid juries are.

This fat little housewife ignored the evidence, ignored his defence and just figured her instincts were right.

If you ever find yourself wrongly charged and before a jury - be afraid, be very afraid.

 

[The LoLRus]

Actually, the police rail-roaded Morin.

There was no evidence against hime, so they fabricated it. When there was evidence exonerating him, they buried it and worse than that, the crown was working with the cops to bury him.

I was watching a doc on the whole thing and they showed an interview with one of the chubby soccor moms who was on the jury (before they figured out that he was innocent) She said, and I quote, "I knew he did it when he was testifying and he didn't make eye contact with the jury"

Shows you how stupid juries are.

Do you remember the Scott Peterson trial?? Nancy Grace said she though he was guilty based on his emotion when the guilty verdict came in, he was too quiet she said. Same fucking stupid logic, hey smartypants maybe he's just an introvert, ever think of that??!!!

 

[papasmerf]

You still haven't answered my question. If you were sentenced to the death penalty and you were innocent, would you still support it or would you change your tune because you are on death row?
You may not have plans on being sentenced to the death penalty, but I'm sure other people who were wrongly sentenced to the death penalty didn't wake up in the morning trying to get lethal injection either.
Are you afraid of saying that you not be in favour of it if you were wrongly sentenced? That is a hypocrite, and that is you.

Always in the Groove...

Sorry I missed your question.

What was I convicted of and where?