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Frankfooter

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Absolutely moronic. Complete lies.

So now you are saying that Oxford dictionary is lying.
Provisional:
pencilled in, temporary, transitional, stopgap, changeover, makeshift, short term, subject to confirmation,.....

That means maybe yes, maybe no, depending on what does or does not happen.

The whole world is lying except for you.

Hey Zipper Lip, what about the ICJ ruling that says for Hamas to return the hostages. No provisions. "Hamas, you are holding hostages. You must return them now." No maybes.
You really sound ignorant.
One of these days you should try reading the ruling.


 

southpaw

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And more direct claims that Israel has subjugated America, just like the good anti-semites on stormfront say.
The video is from the Wall Street Journal. Are they anti-semites too?
 

Valcazar

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...Hamas to immediately and unconditionally release their hostages. Do you want to talk about that?
I do.
Can you point to that order?
Because paragraph 85 reads as follows:

The Court deems it necessary to emphasize that all parties to the conflict in the Gaza Strip
are bound by international humanitarian law. It is gravely concerned about the fate of the hostages
abducted during the attack in Israel on 7 October 2023 and held since then by Hamas and other armed
groups, and calls for their immediate and unconditional release
 
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shack

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You really sound ignorant.
One of these days you should try reading the ruling.
You are the one trying to rewrite the court's ruling.

Thinking that you can fool anyone is what is truly ignorant.

Have you ever lied on TERB? Have you ever lied in the Politics Forum? Have you ever lied when discussing Israel?

Only someone who's guilty pleads the 5th.
 

Frankfooter

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shack

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You still clearly haven't read the ICJ ruling.
Make whatever assumptions you like, just as you always do. They're usually wrong anyways.
Yet you still think you know more.
Than you? Hell ya'

I definitely know more about truth and honesty. You know more about lying.

Have you ever lied on TERB? Have you ever lied in the Politics Forum? Have you ever lied when discussing Israel?

Only someone who's guilty pleads the 5th. Not answering is the exact same as pleading the 5th.
 

Frankfooter

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Make whatever assumptions you like, just as you always do. They're usually wrong anyways.

Than you? Hell ya'

I definitely know more about truth and honesty. You know more about lying.

Have you ever lied on TERB? Have you ever lied in the Politics Forum? Have you ever lied when discussing Israel?

Only someone who's guilty pleads the 5th. Not answering is the exact same as pleading the 5th.
You're trolling, shack.
You lie constantly, use straw man claims and insult regularly.

You won't read the ICJ ruling, don't understand it and don't understand the repercussions.
You're in a constant state of denial of what Israel is doing and accuse every source and critic of lying.



 

shack

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You're trolling, shack.
You lie constantly, use straw man claims and insult regularly.
Whatever you say Saint frank.

Have you ever lied on TERB? In the Politics Forum?

Staying silent/pleading the 5th is an admission that you've lied. Only people who are guilty need to plead the 5th.

I know you keep updating us with casualty numbers, so how many Palestinian casualties have there been since Jan.1 this year? Those were all 100% avoidable if Hamas had surrendered by Jan.1. My plan was undeniably smarter than your futile calls for ceasefire that have STILL not happened. A surrender would have taken effect immediately. It was and still is a stupid suggestion.
 

Frankfooter

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Whatever you say Saint frank.

Have you ever lied on TERB? In the Politics Forum?

Staying silent/pleading the 5th is an admission that you've lied. Only people who are guilty need to plead the 5th.

I know you keep updating us with casualty numbers, so how many Palestinian casualties have there been since Jan.1 this year? Those were all 100% avoidable if Hamas had surrendered by Jan.1. My plan was undeniably smarter than your futile calls for ceasefire that have STILL not happened. A surrender would have taken effect immediately. It was and still is a stupid suggestion.
You've asked this question before and I answered it.
I only answer your questions once.

Netanyahu has repeatedly stated he will keep killing Palestinians until he thinks Hamas is all killed.
A surrender would not have stopped the killing.
Only Israel abiding by the ICJ ruling that says they must prevent killing Palestinians would stop the deaths.

More evidence for the ICJ
 

Frankfooter

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Another lie. Prove it.
You are the one accusing me of lying.
Its up to you to prove it, not me.
Until then you're just trolling the board.

This is an excellent example of your accusations of lying.
I will bookmark this post and repeat it every time you accuse me of lying.
 

shack

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You are the one accusing me of lying.
Actually that's a wrong interpretation. I'm not accusing you of lying in this case. I'm accusing you of not answering the question of whether you've ever lied. You claim you have but we know you haven't.

Go ahead and put me in my place once and for all. Show us your "yes or no" reply to me asking if you've ever lied. Prove that you answered yes or no. Not 22 8 year old pictures and twitter posts.
 

southpaw

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Again, requesting everyone to keep this thread about the Israeli lobby.

Plenty of other threads about the war. Please and thank you.
 
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mandrill

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I do.
Can you point to that order?
Because paragraph 85 reads as follows:

The Court deems it necessary to emphasize that all parties to the conflict in the Gaza Strip
are bound by international humanitarian law. It is gravely concerned about the fate of the hostages
abducted during the attack in Israel on 7 October 2023 and held since then by Hamas and other armed
groups, and calls for their immediate and unconditional release
and held since then by Hamas and other armed
groups, and calls for their immediate and unconditional release


You mean that. It's not an "order" and maybe the ICJ can't make orders. But it seems pretty direct and unambiguous.
 
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Netanyahu has repeatedly stated he will keep killing Palestinians until he thinks Hamas is all killed.
Hamas has repeatedly stated they will keep killing Jews, your point?
 

Frankfooter

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Actually that's a wrong interpretation. I'm not accusing you of lying in this case. I'm accusing you of not answering the question of whether you've ever lied. You claim you have but we know you haven't.

Go ahead and put me in my place once and for all. Show us your "yes or no" reply to me asking if you've ever lied. Prove that you answered yes or no. Not 22 8 year old pictures and twitter posts.
No, shack.
I made a statement and you said it was a lie.
Now you're admitting your accusation was a lie itself as you can't back it up.

This is an old argument but its worth refreshing how in Canada the Israeli lobby worked to squash BDS.

CNN staff are coming out saying how the lobby has been pressuring them.


And AIPAC is finding itself protested more and more.
 

Frankfooter

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and held since then by Hamas and other armed
groups, and calls for their immediate and unconditional release


You mean that. It's not an "order" and maybe the ICJ can't make orders. But it seems pretty direct and unambiguous.
The ICJ's provisional measures are the actual orders.
Those are the points the judges vote on and the 'provisional' title means they are deemed urgent and go to the front of the line for the ICJ.
All 5 provisional measures are aimed at Israel, none at Hamas.

Israel was ordered to prevent killing Palestinians in Gaza by the ICJ.
Instead they've upped the genocide.
 

southpaw

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