About dating today's young women: a young male's perspective

[fjdude]

My 2c for the average looking guy

I consider myself a nice guy with average looks and above average physique. For the longest time i could never figure out how some of my co-workers and friends macked all these women or even got dates until a friend lent me Neil Strauss's The Game. After that my approach towards women changed and i started getting more successful and good looking women actually started to show an interest in me.

What i've learned is:

1. Most Women like confidence - be confident when you talk to them and if you make a fool of yourself or say something stupid, brush it off in confidence. You can't show that you're insecure.

2. Most Women like guys with wit & humour - this means being able to take a joke as well as poking fun at a girl. Most nice guys never make fun of a girl coz they're afraid or they think its not chilvalrous.

3. Most women like guys who are multi-lingual - Given Toronto is multi-cultural and there are girls from varying backgrounds/ethnicities, it helps if you know phrases in different languages. I found that attempting to speak their native tongue (even if done poorly) impressed them and helped in making conversation.

4. Most women like creative guys - if you're a musician, painter etc etc women find it intriguing. Use it to your advantage

5. Most women like guys who give them attention/compliments - showering a lady with compliments is pathetic but being witty where you can compliment them while teasing them shows you notice things and you have a sense of humour.

6. women like guys who have manners

7. women like guys who can make them orgasm

There are some genuinely nice women out there where you don't have to pretend to be someone you're not but good luck finding them.

If you're looking for a relationship - forget trying to meet girls at bars/clubs. its too noisy and the chances of finding someone decent is usually slim. Meeting girls through Online websites, friends, co-workers etc is your bet bet.

If you're looking for a fuck - then hobbying is most economical way. I know guys who will meet girls at clubs and then wine them and dine them. They usually end up spending just as much as one would spend on a SP if not more. Not to mention they probably won't get as good a service as a SP (depends on the girl though).

 

[Nubby]

A lot of it, you have to realize, comes down to feminist propaganda. Any girl under 40 years of age was most likely raised on it. It's gotten absolutely ridiculous in the past decade or so, to the point where women are literally brainwashed and so are a lot of men. You can't grow up reading about how You are a Confident Independent Tigress who never has to settle for less than the best, and about how men are mainly predators, oppressors, and potential rapists, and come out on the other side with a healthy self-image or a realistic perception of the world. She's going to come out on the other side with narcissistic personality disorder.

Look at the media. When men cheat, it is met with the kind of insane vitriol from females usually reserved for genocide. It's because they've been told they can't be wrong, ever. Every man is a dog/pig variation. When a princess descends to pair-bonding with a dogpig, she's doing him the favour of his lifetime. So when you're cheating on them, for her it's like "Me? ME!?! A woman!?! But the Maybelline commercial said I'm a Goddess waiting to be unleashed!" They can't handle it. Now, granted, cheating isn’t a good thing, and I’m not here to promote it. But it’s not a huge moral crime like most women think it is, while they wear their conflict diamonds and sip their coffee that came from beans picked by 9 year olds working 18 hour days.

And it's useless to try and impress upon them that they actually aren't princesses/goddesses, but just plain old people. Human beings. Worth no less than any other human being, certainly, but also worth no more. And that worth no more part is the part completely missing from the dialogue today.

 

[burt-oh-my!]

What gets me gets me gets me! continuously is how the media and society BARRAGES us men morning noon and night with images of sex, tv shows about sex, sex sex sex, but then if you a) buy it, or 2) get it while married - well! how horrible you are, what a terrbile person. Blah blah blah.

The SUN is a case in point - reporting with disdain the cheating politicians caught etc, while all the while stoking our lust with the Sunshine girl and profiting from escort and massage ads!

Also, in terms of HOW you get sex - it kinds of reminds me of sports, and more specifically hunting. "It isn't SPORTING to kill an animal in such and such a way, etc etc" -

Hold it, if the purpose is to get the animal, then the method doesn't matter. I am sure a tribesman n Borneo would not have the slightest interest in whether he nailed food in a sporting fashion or not.

In the same way, with women, if the purpose is to pure and simple to get sex, what is so superior about getting it via 'fooling' a woman on MANY levels at a bar - that you are more interested in her than you really are, that you aren't really just after sex, that you have more money than you really do, etc - what is so superior about that compared to just saying "Here's $200, let's fuck".

 

[wetnose]

Some guys have decided to take the easy route...(well, actually the safest route too)

 

[OnlySex]

.....most women have told me that I have a great dick, too. I just don't have 'game' and have never been the 'bad boy'.

If you have women telling you that you have a great dick and you are not a nudist - you have game and don't realize it.

My personal observation (aka excuse) is that despite the hype, women are every bit as shallow about men's appearances as men are towards women. I have a friend who is a huge male 'pig', boorish and not well read, making comments that would get any other male slapped but the chicks run straight to him. They will giggle and think he is cute with his comments on their tits. I think if a good looking roll in the hay not in the cards or the women must look to settle down, then money and personality will factor in.

 

[GPIDEAL]

In the same way, with women, if the purpose is to pure and simple to get sex, what is so superior about getting it via 'fooling' a woman on MANY levels at a bar - that you are more interested in her than you really are, that you aren't really just after sex, that you have more money than you really do, etc - what is so superior about that compared to just saying "Here's $200, let's fuck".

Agreed. If the purpose is for sex (or even short-term GFE), it's more honest than impressing upon a gal for sex with no intention of going any further.

 

[Sisyphus]

A lot of it, you have to realize, comes down to feminist propaganda. Any girl under 40 years of age was most likely raised on it. It's gotten absolutely ridiculous in the past decade or so, to the point where women are literally brainwashed and so are a lot of men. You can't grow up reading about how You are a Confident Independent Tigress who never has to settle for less than the best, and about how men are mainly predators, oppressors, and potential rapists, and come out on the other side with a healthy self-image or a realistic perception of the world. She's going to come out on the other side with narcissistic personality disorder.

Look at the media. When men cheat, it is met with the kind of insane vitriol from females usually reserved for genocide. It's because they've been told they can't be wrong, ever. Every man is a dog/pig variation. When a princess descends to pair-bonding with a dogpig, she's doing him the favour of his lifetime. So when you're cheating on them, for her it's like "Me? ME!?! A woman!?! But the Maybelline commercial said I'm a Goddess waiting to be unleashed!" They can't handle it. Now, granted, cheating isn’t a good thing, and I’m not here to promote it. But it’s not a huge moral crime like most women think it is, while they wear their conflict diamonds and sip their coffee that came from beans picked by 9 year olds working 18 hour days.

And it's useless to try and impress upon them that they actually aren't princesses/goddesses, but just plain old people. Human beings. Worth no less than any other human being, certainly, but also worth no more. And that worth no more part is the part completely missing from the dialogue today.

You made some very good and insightful points. There is an over valuation of the female agenda and an undervaluation of the male agenda. When women are young their beauty makes them masters of the universe. It makes them want to hold out for a prime grade A alpha male. This is why a small minority of men can have all the women they want. There needs to be a revaluation of feminism.

 

[Sisyphus]

what is so superior about that compared to just saying "Here's $200, let's fuck".

What is really sad is the $200 solution is more affectionate and loving. You will get complemented and you will believe the complements because many are real. They just seem to be nicer women. If I were to use one word it is charm.

 

[GG2]

LOOL.

I always chuckle whenever members of the male species try to understand us lol, they are always so far from the mark.

No hon, most of the comments in this thread actually summarize your ilk quite accurately.

 

[GPIDEAL]

LOOL.

I always chuckle whenever members of the male species try to understand us lol, they are always so far from the mark.

No offence intended gentlemen, please continue....this is entertaining

You mean just saying "Here's $200, let's fuck" isn't affectionate, charming or loving?

 

[castaniabrucciatta]

LOOL.

I always chuckle whenever members of the male species try to understand us lol, they are always so far from the mark.

No offense intended gentlemen, please continue....this is entertaining

I, for one, don't waste my time trying to understand women. I truly LOVE spending time with them and enjoy their company (ie. non-sexual) more so than with men - I'm not big on the whole 'male-bonding' thing. But I just don't have the time for the analysis part when it comes to women anymore. In a way, the BS I've seen in my 5 decades has jaded me and made me a bit colder.

I would have never agreed with what I'm about to quote 20 or 30 years ago when I was more of a 'nice guy' and a lot more naive but at this stage I truly understand what Charlie Sheen meant when he said about SPs (and I guess this can pertain to women in general), "I don't pay them for sex, I pay them to leave".

Most of the time, that's exactly how I feel.

(Man, I LOVE this hobby!)

CB

 

[wonderboy007]

Most girls these days are stuck-up. Plain and simple. Online dating is where you get the wackos from who come from bad relationships. STAY AWAY FROM THESE WOMEN AS THEY WILL SCREW WITH YOU EMOTIONALLY! Plus, most of them can't make up their mind. Do you wanna go out?? Hmmm.. I don't know! Give me a break.

Now I'm not saying all girls are like this. But a lot are. It's the girls who "Simply want the best" are the ones like this. So just be yourself. If they don't like you, their loss. And there is NO BEST. Nobody is perfect, that is why I don't look for a perfect person. They would be a robot if they were! I find girls who have had the "Bad Ass", want the good guy after a bad relationship. Tough cookie dough for those going after an asshole. You want one, you get one!

For nice guys looking for a nice girl, try women from the Former Soviet Union. They're beautiful, smart, and want a guy who is going somewhere in the long run.

 

[Polecat]

You mean just saying "Here's $200, let's fuck" isn't affectionate, charming or loving?

Hey for $200. bucks I get what I want and don't have to listen to "you want me to do what"......with an SP I get a smile and hear "what ever you want babe" got to love it. In the long run it costs a lot less for the SP than wining and dining a "straight" girl.

 

[castaniabrucciatta]

Hey for $200. bucks I get what I want and don't have to listen to "you want me to do what"......with an SP I get a smile and hear "what ever you want babe" got to love it. In the long run it costs a lot less for the SP than wining and dining a "straight" girl.

What he said.

CB

 

[wonderboy007]

It's been a while, but I'll weigh in on this.

It's different here. The more times I visit Toronto, the more this is apparent. Judging from all the similarities of experiences about how hard it is to date girls in Toronto etc. etc. etc. When you travel, you realize that the reality of dating here need not apply elsewhere. Compared to the other places I have been to, dating in Toronto is simply absurd. Really. And most of the girls here are simply clueless as to what makes a guy tick. Turn it around. Most girls here don't take the time to find out what really turns a guy on or what he finds attractive. If they did, they would know it's not just boobs and tits, but the proper attitude as well.

For example, if a girl thinks about what you like to do (I'm not talking sexually here, although this is also important), what shows you like to watch, what makes you feel good etc. and takes the time to do them, that shows a proper attitude. If she does them without making you feel like you have to bankroll your relationship just to keep her, and approaches your relationship with the sole purpose of taking care of you, that's the proper attitude. That's not an equality issue. This is an issue of respect and interest. I have seen the difference. The thing is, girls here are too self-centred, egotistical, and conceited to think about pleasing a guy. Which is why we pay for a professional.

When I have been outside of Canada, I have noticed that in the places where you would expect the girls to be more stuck up than Toronto, this wasn't the case. In fact the girls were so nice, that I had a hard time initially adjusting as I wasn't used to all the attention. And from girls that are WAYYYYYYYY hotter than the girls in Toronto. By a large margin. And they were actually very nice and the experience was very positive. Its not that the girls in Toronto are hot that they can be stuck up, it's that they mistakenly think that there is no one better, and that they are the best, and feel that they can behave anyway they want to towards a guy. Very similar to a spoiled child, actually. I think we have a generation of girls who are nothing more than spoiled children with a false sense of entitlement. Unfortunately, most guys are stuck here and have no alternatives, so they have to put up with that attitude. Or pay for it.

When you travel, you see the dysfunction with dating here clearly, and realize that no, it isn't the same everywhere else, and yes, Toronto girls don't make the best dates/girlfriends. Outside of Toronto, I had the best sex I ever had, with someone who would destroy most of the girls here in terms of looks, and better than the highest end SP I have seen here (and I've seen them all). She was simply gorgeous! AND smart. Extremely bright (she was with me, so she'd have to be), and AMAZING in bed. Truly spectacular. At the same time, there were literally six girls who were all hot, in their late teens/early twenties (college girls) who were all throwing themselves at me, treating me like a king. I DONT consider myself a player or anything like that. It made me realize quickly the difference between what is here and what is out there. I don't date anymore in Toronto. Waste of my time and money. I actually laugh everyday I walk in the downtown core and see some girl with the sunglasses on and that expression on her face that she is better than everyone else. Or the female administrative assistants who all cheat on their husbands and boyfriends and THINK they are actually hot.

My advice is, if you're in Toronto, stick with the MP's and SP's. Pay your fee, get your experience, and manage it with everything else going on in your life. Spending your time and money on a girl in Toronto is just not worth it anymore.

On a side note: There is a book on the Girl Power movement, and how it all relates to dating and the way men are being treated today. And why it seems to be a generational thing. I think the article I read about the book, describes how during the time of the Spice Girls and when Britney Spears was just becoming famous (around 1999) this is when it all seemed to take off. And most of the girls sucked it up at the time. That's why any man younger than 40 probably has to deal with this stupid "I am entitled" behaviour. I can't recall the title of the book, the author is female and actually argues against the girl power movement, as it is actually against the concepts of feminism (i.e. equality), and alienates men in the process. The movement disguises itself as a legitimate move towards equality in feminism, but was really a marketing campaign to encourage girls to become hyperconsumers. I wish I knew the author's name, but you can read more about the Girl Power Movement below:

http://www.suite101.com/content/gender-in-magazines-girl-power-and-the-crisis-of-masculinity-a335576

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_Power

100% Agree with you. You deserve credit for saying what you just said!!! 100% TRUTH! All this "confidence", and what-not is an illusion. That's it.

 

[burt-oh-my!]

There is a solution: go for plain girls. Not ugly, just maybe a bit overweight, a bit flawed in some area, but quite often they are just as much if not more fun in the sack, and have a hell of a lot better attitude - i.e they are GRATEFUL!

 

[great bear]

You'd think so but these moped girls get hit on all the time by less than confident men willing to settle for an available second tier pussy. So these women get an inflated opinion of themselves and get picky, or worse, waiting for the next guy that may be better.

I find that the super hot women are way more receptive to me and my success in approaching them is much MUCH higher.

Rub, how was your trip to Spain?? GB

 

[GG2]

GG2 is likely the reincarnation of the banned GotGusto who posted fantasies of arriving on the scene of a car wreck and having sex with the still warm bodies of the victims.

He postes all kinds of weird shit and is one of the posters that I fear the most that is walking around in our society...

OMG that's sick. Thankfully I don't know who GotGusto is.

You'd think so but these moped girls get hit on all the time by less than confident men willing to settle for an available second tier pussy. So these women get an inflated opinion of themselves and get picky, or worse, waiting for the next guy that may be better.

I find that the super hot women are way more receptive to me and my success in approaching them is much MUCH higher.

Ditto. Even when hobbying, I generally get better service and greater mileage with providers that rate higher in looks. It's crazy but I'm not complaining.

 

[james t kirk]

GG2 is likely the reincarnation of the banned GotGusto who posted fantasies of arriving on the scene of a car wreck and having sex with the still warm bodies of the victims.

He postes all kinds of weird shit and is one of the posters that I fear the most that is walking around in our society...

I agree on that.

 

[Don Draper]

GG2 is likely the reincarnation of the banned GotGusto who posted fantasies of arriving on the scene of a car wreck and having sex with the still warm bodies of the victims.

He postes all kinds of weird shit and is one of the posters that I fear the most that is walking around in our society...

Quite true. As dysfunctional and dangerous as they come. Women everywhere should be careful of this outlook and ideology.