I wonder how much coming to Toronto had to do with Burke failing here and he maybe succeeding .. It was Burke who god rid of Babcock to hire Caryle when he was with the Ducks
Leafs sign mike babcock
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The leafs gm has very little power in the current structure. It would just be another mind to add to Dubas, hunter, shanny.
Oopsie, I made a boo boo.
Anton Stralman never played for the Blackhawks, that would be Viktor Stalberg (another Leafs prospect given away). Stralman played with the Bluejackets and the Rangers (Cup Final last year) before signing with the Lightning.
Someone the Leafs should have kept.
Anton Stralman never played for the Blackhawks, that would be Viktor Stalberg (another Leafs prospect given away). Stralman played with the Bluejackets and the Rangers (Cup Final last year) before signing with the Lightning.
Someone the Leafs should have kept.
Obviously as a non leafs fan I am not happy when the leafs get what they wanted.
Many positives here (valid no doubt)I will just point out a few things to consider on the negative side:
1) many point to Babcock system. But the Red wings have an organizational and player development system that extends far beyond Babcock and was in place before him. Can the leafs develop the same.
2) the ref wings were never about rushing or developing junior aged prospects. Babcock got them after a few years in the minors. Will it be possible to do the same.
3) MLSE has been trying to win for a while with the best coaches ,gm, organizational people, but there aversion to a proper rebuild (or the gms themselves with pride) have led to retooling or unnecessary acceleration.... Think Burke and colangelo. They also went and got ujiri on the basketball team. MLSE has shown they are willing to get the best, but it is tough for MLSE to rebuild and the "best" coach or gm coming off success think the same way at times. Burke was a prime example who clearly set the franchise back
It will be very important for shanny to keep everyone on track with the philosophy. Be it MLSE board, his own mgmt team."", and Babcock himself.
They have the coach, a non dinosaur new age executive team, and the money in MLSE. They need to stick to the plan... Get rid of Fats, Dion, and Mandela in goal.
Many positives here (valid no doubt)I will just point out a few things to consider on the negative side:
1) many point to Babcock system. But the Red wings have an organizational and player development system that extends far beyond Babcock and was in place before him. Can the leafs develop the same.
2) the ref wings were never about rushing or developing junior aged prospects. Babcock got them after a few years in the minors. Will it be possible to do the same.
3) MLSE has been trying to win for a while with the best coaches ,gm, organizational people, but there aversion to a proper rebuild (or the gms themselves with pride) have led to retooling or unnecessary acceleration.... Think Burke and colangelo. They also went and got ujiri on the basketball team. MLSE has shown they are willing to get the best, but it is tough for MLSE to rebuild and the "best" coach or gm coming off success think the same way at times. Burke was a prime example who clearly set the franchise back
It will be very important for shanny to keep everyone on track with the philosophy. Be it MLSE board, his own mgmt team."", and Babcock himself.
They have the coach, a non dinosaur new age executive team, and the money in MLSE. They need to stick to the plan... Get rid of Fats, Dion, and Mandela in goal.
The upside of Babcock signing
(1) the piss poor attitude in that dressing room just changed, want to see Kessel say no to doing a certain drill or coming into training camp 20lbs over weight.
(2) Brings instant credibility to the leafs.
(3) Maybe now star players will want to come to TO .......perhaps Steven Stamkos.
(4) And the #1 side to signing Babcock.......the Sabers lost another one.
Downside
The #1 and only reason.... he always had teams with GOOD players who knew what it took to win, he never, ever, had to rebuild a team let alone rebuild a team with such underachievers.
Mr Shanahan, thank you for signing Mr Babcock, lets hope that Ballard & Ballard, sorry, Rodgers & Bell, let you fulfill your plan.
(1) the piss poor attitude in that dressing room just changed, want to see Kessel say no to doing a certain drill or coming into training camp 20lbs over weight.
(2) Brings instant credibility to the leafs.
(3) Maybe now star players will want to come to TO .......perhaps Steven Stamkos.
(4) And the #1 side to signing Babcock.......the Sabers lost another one.
Downside
The #1 and only reason.... he always had teams with GOOD players who knew what it took to win, he never, ever, had to rebuild a team let alone rebuild a team with such underachievers.
Mr Shanahan, thank you for signing Mr Babcock, lets hope that Ballard & Ballard, sorry, Rodgers & Bell, let you fulfill your plan.
He ended up in Toronto because they threw $50 million at him. No other reason, if he was serious about winning he would have went to St. Louis which has far more talent than the Leafs.
Pat Burns took over a non playoff team awhile back and got them to the conference Finals ...
Steven Stamkos? Now why would he leave a Stanley Cup contender for years to come to play with a club that is years away from even making the playoffs?
The run they are will cost .. Players will want more money and you can't keep everyone
It couldn't have been without the Cliff Fetcher trade that brought Gilmour to Toronto.
Every successful coaching era seemed to coexist with a successful GM tenure. The success Babcock had in Detroit would not have been possible without a sound player development/scouting system put in by Ken Holland. He was successful on the international level, again there's no shortage in supply of good players in our system.
I welcome Babcock with open arms, and give Shanahan all the credit he deserves for bringing in one of the best coaches to Toronto. There were a lot of speculations going back a year ago. Shany wanted him all along, stuck to his game plan and got him. His Detroit connection must have helped.
Is Hunter going to be named the GM next ? Very possible. Could Ken Holland be next on the radar ? He's signed till the 2016-17 season, I think; maybe Shanahan has something else up his sleeves.
No way holland comes here with Shanahan in place to meddle in much of what he currently does. Holland is basically at the same level -- he has a real gm role. Whomever the leafs hire will be a fake gm to a degree -- a title without the full reaponsibility. Which is fine of course if he is a good mind that fits with the rest of the team that all report to Shanny.
Many (hockey experts) thought Babcock will never come to Toronto. So you never know. Throw $50 million at Ken Holland and let's see.
Question for Leaf fans .. If your going to dish out 50 million is Badcock your choice ? I like Joel Quenville ... Heck he was in the Leaf family as a assistant coach for St John's Leafs ..
I remember him as the guy who Leafs traded away along with Lanny to Rockies
That's the stupidest quote of the day !
You need talent, and that's why you need a GM who can get them. They don't grow on trees, don't they ?
GM and coaches job is too acquire and maximize talent for your team, that is talent in it's self.
How can I provide a link that says it's allowed? Rules are prescriptive they don't say what can be done. You said it's not allowed- if you don't know the rule then fine- maybe it's allowed but never been done.
Wasn't gretsky traded for a bunch of cash? Yes for 15 million dollars plus draft picks
Hay Captain Obvious that's the reason why Babcock was signed...to change the culture....... which results in changing the on ice talent.
