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Unpopular opinion, but....he should have been charged.

Self Defense is a valid court defense to being arrested, but you should have to do it in court. Get charged, go to court, tell your story, get off on all the charges and maybe write a book about it. I don't trust the cops to choose who is or isn't acting in self defense. Let them explain it in court under oath and see how it plays out. Could be that he testifies about what happens and all the charges are dropped then and there.

But curious why they targeted him, and I feel like there's more to the story which makes charging him make even more sense.
 
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Darn, I can't find it now. There was a recent story where some civilians beat a thug to almost a pulp. According to the law, you are allowed to only use enough force to make him say "uncle".
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anonemouse said:
Unpopular opinion, but....he should have been charged.

Self Defense is a valid court defense to being arrested, but you should have to do it in court. Get charged, go to court, tell your story, get off on all the charges and maybe write a book about it. I don't trust the cops to choose who is or isn't acting in self defense. Let them explain it in court under oath and see how it plays out. Could be that he testifies about what happens and all the charges are dropped then and there.

But curious why they targeted him, and I feel like there's more to the story which makes charging him make even more sense.
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If you can't trust the cops/lawyers to determine legitimate self defense you can't trust them with any kind of investigation. That is basically what you are saying.
 
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There is definitely more to the story . It could have been the wrong house they were breaking into . In Canada your gun has to be stored safely . Handguns in a locked box or safe . A rifle in a locked room made inoperable . The police maybe laid the charge as the person who shoot the intruder had immediate access to the gun . We do not have all the information . But saying he was licensed and registered owner sounds like a handgun to me . So if he was expecting trouble and he had the gun ready . Maybe that is why the charge . Many unknowns at this time . Just guesses at this time . I bet some sort of media black out on this one . With a murder charge it won't go to court for over a year . Unless there is a plea or charges are dropped .
 
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anonemouse said:
Unpopular opinion, but....he should have been charged.

Self Defense is a valid court defense to being arrested, but you should have to do it in court. Get charged, go to court, tell your story, get off on all the charges and maybe write a book about it. I don't trust the cops to choose who is or isn't acting in self defense. Let them explain it in court under oath and see how it plays out. Could be that he testifies about what happens and all the charges are dropped then and there.

But curious why they targeted him, and I feel like there's more to the story which makes charging him make even more sense.
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Fair point. Let the claim and evidence be assessed.
 
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anonemouse said:
Unpopular opinion, but....he should have been charged.

Self Defense is a valid court defense to being arrested, but you should have to do it in court. Get charged, go to court, tell your story, get off on all the charges and maybe write a book about it. I don't trust the cops to choose who is or isn't acting in self defense. Let them explain it in court under oath and see how it plays out. Could be that he testifies about what happens and all the charges are dropped then and there.

But curious why they targeted him, and I feel like there's more to the story which makes charging him make even more sense.
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But what happens when the jury finds you guilty even though you were defending your home? 🤣

Talk about backfiring.
 
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K Douglas said:
If you can't trust the cops/lawyers to determine legitimate self defense you can't trust them with any kind of investigation. That is basically what you are saying.
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No, he's not saying that. He's making the basic point that guilt or innocence should be determined by a court of law, not a couple of cops.
 
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Per description of events, he should've been charged with manslaughter, for which he could use self defense to argue innocence in court. Murder charge is serious. It means he can't get out on bail. Can't go to work. Can't look after his family. He has his life disrupted. For what ? What if he's innocent? Lose a year in jail? Not fair.
Need probable cause for charges. Can't file charges nilly willy. The crown either has evidence of a 2nd degree probable cause (like if he confronted the intruders, they tried running away, and he shot them anyway); or they charged him with 2nd degree anyways (temporarily) for public safety (so he can stay in jail) till they figure out what actually happened. If the events are true, and him being no threat to public safety, the crown would probably reduce charges, unless ofcourse, it was 2nd degree for real.
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What I THINK is going to happen.

1. That there's evidence that the intruders attempted to flee and he shot one of them in the back as they hi-tailed it.
2. Alternately, the cops charged him w Murder 2 out of an excess of caution and the charges will be dropped, once enough evidence emerges that he was simply defending himself.
 
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K Douglas said:
If you can't trust the cops/lawyers to determine legitimate self defense you can't trust them with any kind of investigation. That is basically what you are saying.
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I do not want police to act as judge and jury.

Police should indeed prefer charges on all cases involving indictable offenses. The Crown determines whether to go ahead or not based on the facts and evidence of the case. Having said that, we, the public, don't have all the facts yet and it may not be as cut and dry as it appears. We should not rush to either condemn or acquit people in the court of public opinion.
 
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mandrill said:
No, he's not saying that. He's making the basic point that guilt or innocence should be determined by a court of law, not a couple of cops.
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First off the investigation is done by detectives who are trained to do so.
Second of all its reviewed by lawyers and if there's something there it may go to a grand jury.
Why put something to trial and make the person defending his/her property and/or life pay tens of thousands of dollars for a legal defense and clog up more court time unnecessarily?
 
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