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Shaquille Oatmeal said:
Atleast as early as 1920 when the entire region was called Mandatory Palestine.
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The first written records referring to Palestine emerged in the 12th-century BCE Twentieth Dynasty of Egypt, which used the term Peleset for a neighboring people or land.
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That’s meaningless because it includes Jews and arabs and christians who lived in Levant.
The issue is when Palestinian arabs become different from other arabs?
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal said:
Maybe we can agree on 1964 when the PLO was formed? Which makes for atleast 3 generations of Palestinians. We can also agree that it exists today in a very real sense?
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That sounds about right
 
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Leimonis said:
That sounds about right
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A point to note, which you said in your prior post as well is that the Palestinian tag is for Jews, Christians and Muslims who lived in the region. But not for the Jewish immigrants from Europe. So if you were to accept a new Israeli identity, or apply the Palestinian identity to all Jews in present day Israel, then the issue with Palestinian identity being new does not arise.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal said:
A point to note, which you said in your prior post as well is that the Palestinian tag is for Jews, Christians and Muslims who lived in the region. But not for the Jewish immigrants from Europe. So if you were to accept a new Israeli identity, or apply the Palestinian identity to all Jews in present day Israel, then the issue with Palestinian identity being new does not arise.
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I think on the grand scheme of things it don’t really matter at this point who is more indigenous and whose temples are more ancient.

Once again, you simply have millions of jews who don’t want to leave and millions of Palestinians and other various arabs who want them to be gone from the river to the sea.

All the talk about who came from Poland or who doesn’t have their own language or fairytales or culture is, if not hate speech, at least not helping bringing peace.
 
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Leimonis said:
I think on the grand scheme of things it don’t really matter at this point who is more indigenous and whose temples are more ancient.

Once again, you simply have millions of jews who don’t want to leave and millions of Palestinians and other various arabs who want them to be gone from the river to the sea.

All the talk about who came from Poland or who doesn’t have their own language or fairytales or culture is, if not hate speech, at least not helping bringing peace.
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Is it not equally fair to say that you simply have millions of Palestinians who don't want to leave, and millions of Israelis who want them to be gone from river to the sea.
 
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danmand said:
Is it not equally fair to say that you simply have millions of Palestinians who don't want to leave, and millions of Israelis who want them to be gone from river to the sea.
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Absolutely and manifestly wrong.
Israelis gave gaza back to Gazans almost 20 years ago. Israel forcefully removed their citizens from gaza at the time. Gazans could have built Singapore but they chose to build terror tunnels.
 
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Leimonis said:
Absolutely and manifestly wrong.
Israelis gave gaza back to Gazans almost 20 years ago. Israel forcefully removed their citizens from gaza at the time. Gazans could have built Singapore but they chose to build terror tunnels.
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Deflection. Poorly educated
 
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GerryB said:
Who's here taking you seriously ? It's irrelevant what I post here - your opinion will never change
and I bet it was formed before Oct 7. According to you (and I took time to read on you posts from
the past) - Jewish people have no right to self determination, the land of Israel is not their ancestral
land and anything they do is criminal. That pretty much sums up your take.
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Sure it was ancestral.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1843250461518057780
 
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Leimonis said:
I think on the grand scheme of things it don’t really matter at this point who is more indigenous and whose temples are more ancient.

Once again, you simply have millions of jews who don’t want to leave and millions of Palestinians and other various arabs who want them to be gone from the river to the sea.

All the talk about who came from Poland or who doesn’t have their own language or fairytales or culture is, if not hate speech, at least not helping bringing peace.
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Oatmeal’s response went way over your head. He provided some quality insights.
 
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Leimonis said:
Absolutely and manifestly wrong.
Israelis gave gaza back to Gazans almost 20 years ago. Israel forcefully removed their citizens from gaza at the time. Gazans could have built Singapore but they chose to build terror tunnels.
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Well, the facts on the ground are that there is a genocidal ethnic cleansing going on in Gaza, and spreading to the West Bank and Lebanon.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal said:
Israel is still illegally occupying the west bank.
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Israel is not blameless. But its position is not anywhere near as radical as a call for wiping out israel “from the river to the sea”.
 
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