Report: Five members of Canada’s 2018 WJC team told to surrender to London Police

[Fun For All]

If they had video of her showing any sign of impairment I would inclined to trust her testimony.

But I've run this by a few females that I know and without prompting they all said if they were really drunk they would automatically removed those stilettos.

She said her then and now boyfriend isn't following this...You have to think that at some point curiosity is going to get the better of him and he's going to do some reading...Then what?...Maybe love is truly blind?

There is video of her at the bar drinking lots...if the players say they were all "really drunk" shouldn't she be too?

Those females, whoever they are, I'd say are not reliable to tell if a person who they don't know and have never met can't walk on heels when she's drunk...that's as bad as the cop who watched a 4-second video of her walking thru the hotel lobby and determined she wasn't too intoxicated.

How can the players use intoxication for their behaviour of "memory loss" but she can't use it for her behaviour?

You bring up her boyfriend like that matters...I wonder what the girlfriends and family of the players think of those guys? Big heroes with NHL careers leave in disgrace...

 

[mellowjello]

You don't seem to be sufficiently adroit to recognize humour.

I've added you to my Ignore list. One of your moms should have taught you some manners.

LOL!
So true.

 

[mellowjello]

I hope these 5 scumbags never played for the NHL ever again

Why are they scumbags?
Don't you consider her a tramp?

 

[mellowjello]

If they had video of her showing any sign of impairment I would inclined to trust her testimony.

But I've run this by a few females that I know and without prompting they all said if they were really drunk they would automatically removed those stilettos.

She said her then and now boyfriend isn't following this...You have to think that at some point curiosity is going to get the better of him and he's going to do some reading...Then what?...Maybe love is truly blind?

Even without the video, which clearly shows she was in full control, there's too many contradictions and inconsistencies, lies to her family and boyfriend,
admitted it was her fault as well a lot of behaviour and texting on her part that doesn't align with what she's alleging.
No proof it wasn't consensual and was free to walk out, and didn't.
Never filed a report after it happened and refused blood and urine testing for drugs.
Her case will die a death by a thousand cuts.
She gets to drag these young guys through the mud publicly, she makes millions out of it, doesn't even have to be present in court and her identity is protected.
It's pathetic what she's getting away with.

 

[onomatopoeia]

LOL..I got it...

Junior hockey players don't want to have to taste a teammate's jizz AFTER rookie initiation.

 

[onomatopoeia]

Even without the video, which clearly shows she was in full control, there's too many contradictions and inconsistencies, lies to her family and boyfriend,
admitted it was her fault as well a lot of behaviour and texting on her part that doesn't align with what she's alleging.
No proof it wasn't consensual and was free to walk out, and didn't.
Never filed a report after it happened and refused blood and urine testing for drugs.
Her case will die a death by a thousand cuts.
She gets to drag these young guys through the mud publicly, she makes millions out of it, doesn't even have to be present in court and her identity is protected.
It's pathetic what she's getting away with.

Somewhere in her testimony, (and I believe, not mentioned anywhere else), E.M. said 'I think I might have been roofied', in explanation for her memory lapses about 'that doesn't sound like something I'd say'. I don't think even The Crown believed that.

Maybe she was thinking 'I wouldn't normally cheat on my boyfriend with three, four, maybe five guys whom I just met, but Friday night only comes once a week'.

 

[The Oracle]

Somewhere in her testimony, (and I believe, not mentioned anywhere else), E.M. said 'I think I might have been roofied', in explanation for her memory lapses about 'that doesn't sound like something I'd say'. I don't think even The Crown believed that.

Yes she floated the Roofie scenario but claimed that she was told that because to much time had elapsed before she went to the hospital, she refused the testing for it.

Roofie is slang for rohypnol which just isn't around in Canada...GHB is what commonly is seen. The thing is that mixing that with alcohol results in Geeing out. You wouldn't even be able to walk a step.

Bottom line is that she probably wasn't drugged. I don't think she was drunk either. She just drank enough to lower her inhibitions. I wonder what was going on in her life at the time. Had her boyfriend and her had a fight? Was she acting out? Does she have a history of promiscuous behaviour?

On the other side...Hart said all the players knew that Hockey Canada had strict rules against having girls in the rooms. Yet some of them placed themselves in that situation knowingly. The ones who left made the proper call.

Another thing I'm not buying is her not knowing they were hockey players until the next day...You'd have to be some kind of stupid to not ask how they all knew each other at some time during evening.

 

[JimmyG]

The video tape says she was sober, walking down those steps in 6" heels, completely balanced, not holding on to the railing.
Walks out with a real spring in her step.

This was at the end of the night, 4 hours after she stopped drinking.
Could it be that she sobered up enough by this time ?
If you see the video of her walking out of Jack's bar, she's holding onto McLeods hand and her other hand is holding the wall as she walks down the front steps

 

[JimmyG]

In his original 2018 interview with police when Mike McLeod is asked if he sent out any messages to the guys telling them there's a girl in his room he says No , he just told them there's food.
This is an outright lie as we now know he sent out a group text , 'who wants to be in a 3 way quick ? ' and then messages another player ' want a gummer? '
Since his defense now is that EM told him to invite his friends over for a wild night , that it was her idea , why didnt he just tell the police that originally ? Why lie ?
It doesn't look good for him
Is it possible he can be found guilty and not the others

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6777917

 

[The Oracle]

If you see the video of her walking out of Jack's bar, she's holding onto McLeods hand and her other hand is holding the wall as she walks down the front steps

Can't find this..Please post it...More importantly there should a video of them going into the hotel.

Where is that?

 

[JimmyG]

I don't think Carter Hart's testimony is completely helpful, especially for McLeod.
He admits he got a text for a three way and is interested.
He goes to the room, sees a naked girl, admits he barely interacts with her doesn't even know her name , gets oral sex from her but believes she consents to everything.
He gets all this from an "invitation" from McLeod
So you want me to believe that she consented to everything , with anyone and everyone, guys just coming in, getting serviced, leaving, new guys coming in ...over 2 hours

 

[onomatopoeia]

I don't think Carter Hart's testimony is completely helpful, especially for McLeod.
He admits he got a text for a three way and is interested.
He goes to the room, sees a naked girl, admits he barely interacts with her doesn't even know her name , gets oral sex from her but believes she consents to everything.
He gets all this from an "invitation" from McLeod
So you want me to believe that she consented to everything , with anyone and everyone, guys just coming in, getting serviced, leaving, new guys coming in ...over 2 hours

E.M. said 'it was all consensual' in a cellphone video entered as a defense exhibit. That's not a belief or an assumption.

There is no evidence that confirms beyond reasonable doubt that she was lying at that time, or not of sound mind. This is why Detective Steve Newton closed the case. Newton may have believed that she was sexually assaulted, but after seeing the video of her exiting the hotel, he know that that the combination of those two pieces of evidence is sufficient to form reasonable doubt. Everything else is just part of the dog and pony show portion of due process.

The handles calling for the lads' heads conveniently discard this hard evidence, and concentrate on minutiae, speculation and faith. Like The Crown, they know the cause is lost, but they follow the "three rules" which Roy Cohn taught to Donald Trump: always attack, never admit wrongdoing, and always claim victory, even if defeated.

 

[JimmyG]

Can't find this..Please post it...More importantly there should a video of them going into the hotel.

Where is that?

It's in the same Toronto Star article with the hotel video, but I can't access the link anymore

 

[Fun For All]

E.M. said 'it was all consensual' in a cellphone video entered as a defense exhibit. That's not a belief or an assumption.

There is no evidence that confirms beyond reasonable doubt that she was lying at that time, or not of sound mind. This is why Detective Steve Newton closed the case. Newton may have believed that she was sexually assaulted, but after seeing the video of her exiting the hotel, he know that that the combination of those two pieces of evidence is sufficient to form reasonable doubt. Everything else is just part of the dog and pony show portion of due process.

The handles calling for the lads' heads conveniently discard this hard evidence, and concentrate on minutiae, speculation and faith. Like The Crown, they know the cause is lost, but they follow the "three rules" which Roy Cohn taught to Donald Trump: always attack, never admit wrongdoing, and always claim victory, even if defeated.

What is wrong with you? It’s been explained to you 5/6 times now.

Thr cell phone recording was explained away in week one of the trial by the Crown and got zero pushback from the defence lawyers…it doesn’t help the players at all

 

[mellowjello]

What is wrong with you? It’s been explained to you 5/6 times now.

Thr cell phone recording was explained away in week one of the trial by the Crown and got zero pushback from the defence lawyers…it doesn’t help the players at all

Didn't you say earlier on in the discussion that you don't care what the court says, and now you reference them when you think it supports what you want to believe?
Grow up.

 

[Fun For All]

Another thing I'm not buying is her not knowing they were hockey players until the next day...You'd have to be some kind of stupid to not ask how they all knew each other at some time during evening.

That's wrong...

In her testimony she said she thought they were part of "a team or something" but didn't know which one...the next morning her mother figured it out.

I don't see why it would matter to the crime who they were, what they did, what team they were with, how they know each other...why would she need to care or find this out?

 

[Fun For All]

Bottom line is that she probably wasn't drugged. I don't think she was drunk either. She just drank enough to lower her inhibitions. I wonder what was going on in her life at the time. Had her boyfriend and her had a fight? Was she acting out? Does she have a history of promiscuous behaviour?
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My God...the players say they were "really drunk" and thats why they have "memory loss"...but you figure she wasn't drunk? They were all drinking together buying each other drinks...she might have been drunker than anybody. The players can use intoxication as an excuse but she can't?...this is twice I've pointed that out to you...why would you think she wasn't drunk?

Now you're wondering if she had a fight with her boyfriend, was acting out, history of promiscuous behaviour...none of that has been brought up at the trial.

 

[jalimon]

I hope these 5 scumbags never played for the NHL ever again

And the players who root each week, of any sports, do you think they are any better?

They were just all young and sexy. And living their life. This whole trial is an amazing joke.

 

[jalimon]

Why are they scumbags?
Don't you consider her a tramp?

I love tramps and hoes

 

[Fun For All]

In his original 2018 interview with police when Mike McLeod is asked if he sent out any messages to the guys telling them there's a girl in his room he says No , he just told them there's food.
This is an outright lie as we now know he sent out a group text , 'who wants to be in a 3 way quick ? ' and then messages another player ' want a gummer? '
Since his defense now is that EM told him to invite his friends over for a wild night , that it was her idea , why didnt he just tell the police that originally ? Why lie ?
It doesn't look good for him
Is it possible he can be found guilty and not the others

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6777917

McLeod sent out a group message to the team and solo messages to Formenton and Raddysh, and called another player...and lied about all of them to the Police.