The 2025 Toronto Blue Jays
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The Dodgers aren't the Angels. They got other players that can hurt you.
Matt Chapman doesn’t see any reason to pitch to Shohei Ohtani 😅
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Why he wasnt walked intentionally in the 7th inning with the Jays ahead after he had homered earlier boggles the mind
Matt Chapman doesn’t see any reason to pitch to Shohei Ohtani 😅
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5 intentional walks.
What a joke.
Rules should be changed so that a team is only allowed to intentionally walk a player just once a game AND any other intentional walks/pitching with intent to intentionally walk the same player more than once grants that player automatic 2nd base.
For starters, who determines intent? The umpires have a hard enough time calling balls and strikes. Knee-jerk reactions are never a good idea.
Yea two best team in baseball playing lights out Only stupid part of the game was that late strike ump call that confused Bo and got tagged out That was the difference
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odd play by umpire he was not supposed to do that when you do not hear loud strike call you assume ball but first basecoach should have been stopping Bo
totally agree sending scheider to home by third base coach
took two near perfect throws, as throw to home was high
Vlad was next batter but would have been walked as no more Bo behind him
so take your chances on base or pitch to IKF?
Great game but crushing when your team loses. I am crushed. They Jays were in a good position to win until Middle-middle Dominguez served up a juicy fastball in the heart of the strike zone. Pitching to Ohtani could have worked as long as you keep the ball high or away, at the edges or outside of the strike zone. As good as Ohtani is, he doesn't need help. A lot of players would have done damage with that middle-middle pitch.
Pretty obvious.
1) The easy part: Prior to "manager indicating to umpire he wants an intentional walk without a pitch being thrown", pitchers would pitch way outside to batter that the manager intentionally wanted to walk. Revert back to old rules after 1st "manager called to umpire" intentional walk without a pitch thrown.
2) A bit more difficult would be determining as you say, "a pitcher pitching wild", intentionally or not. BUT, if that same pitcher "wildly walks" Ohtani or whomever a second time on 4 pitches BUT then magically is able to get the ball over or near the plate on the next batter, then intent would be appear to determined. 2nd base intentional walk is enforced for that batter.
Ya gotta admit 5 consecutive intentional walks certainly to Ohtani last night though legal was also pathetic.
He walked Betts, too to load the bases to get to Freeman: left on left. And it worked. Fly out to end the inning.
What was pathetic about it? It's been the same way for 150 years. Last night it was magnified because the game went 18 innings. The change would never happen so it's not even worth discussing.
I agree on the sending Schneider home . It had to be perfect relay to tag him out
Gotta to take the risk.
Vladdy took the same risk earlier in the game to score and tested Teoscar throw and it was offline and that worked out for Blue Jays
Sick of armchair mangers who don’t know baseball and just complain
You absolutely send Davis home there
It's late in the game and a run there could have ended it. I went to bed after 12 innings and was stunned to find out they went 18 lol.
That was on Bo. Can't blame the umpire. They would have scored at least a run and continued batting with runners on.
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I agree you send Schneider home in that circumstance. Of course there was a risk but it is a risk you have to take in that situation. It took 2 good/near perfect throws to get him out at home. Given past defensive performances by players involved, the odds were in the Jays favour. It just didn't work out that time.
Of course the ump made a terrible strike/ball call at the plate when Bo got picked off. In fact the calls behind the plate were brutal all game on both sides. But Bo has to be more alert. Can't wait until next year when strikes and balls can be challenged. It should help flush out the worst umpires behind the plate.
Of course the ump made a terrible strike/ball call at the plate when Bo got picked off. In fact the calls behind the plate were brutal all game on both sides. But Bo has to be more alert. Can't wait until next year when strikes and balls can be challenged. It should help flush out the worst umpires behind the plate.
So according to your theory, any player can only take as base on balls once otherwise he goes to second ?? Doesn't a pitcher try to throw balls as part of his overall strategy to get players to strike out ? That is intent. So why not just abolish walks and throw lollipops across the plate until a player hits it ?
Walking is part of the game. It's a team sport and you are trying to win. The idea that you risk the outcome of the game just so the $500 M man can hit a homer makes no sense. Walking a player is still putting a man on without an out. It's all about the art of odds for baseball, lefty on lefty, matchups, etc. Why fuck with it ? Maybe next time Dodgers will get two $250M hitters and make the decision a little harder.
Schneider should have walked Ohtani earlier and the odds would have been in the Blue Jays favour to win it.
No, that is not my theory, not at all. I stated, "an intentional walk", either at the manager's direction to the ump or by a pitcher's 4 intentionally thrown consecutive balls that are way off the plate and that would be highly improbable for a batter to try to hit would qualify the batter going to first base. Any subsequent "intentional walks" as described above would qualify the batter going to 2nd base on the "walk".
The difference between throwing pitches that are "called" balls in a contested at bat that reasonably encompasses attempts by the pitcher to contest with the batter that resulted in a 2nd walk of the same batter would qualify that batter going to 1st base. It's not rocket science and it's not that difficult to discern reasonable intent to engage and contest between a pitcher and a batter.
