Except that the police service doesn’t charge money for its services. So again, comparing apples to oranges. CP is a business service. Police are an essential service. Big difference.
Canada Post on Strike
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Lots of people think the mail is an essential service.
I'm just saying judging some things by profit is wrong.
Agree. Those posties are unbelievably hard workers and earning but a pittance. So efficient in their jobs as well
So judge them by costs. Since we are just playing word games here.
There is a CP office at Thickson/Taunton in a shoppers. There is another one at Garden/Taunton in a shoppers and yes another one at Garden and Rossland in a shoppers. Google the streets to see just how close that is. They are within 3 minutes of each other. Maybe 4 stop lights.
There is absolutely no reason for it to cost over a billion dollars when those three outlets can be downsized to one. There is no justification for the overhead and staffing costs. There just isn’t.
And that is a billion dollars cost on top of the actual income CP makes. Sorry but the numbers are important.
You want it to be an actual essential service, not just one considered to be by some, then make it so properly. Cut the fat. Weekly delivery, community mailboxes only, axe over half these useless outlets, charge more for commercial delivery so for example - banks start making CCs for pick up and forcing online statements, etc. Start with just those things and see what a difference it will make.
Will some people lose their job - yup
Will companies complain - yup
Will we save a shit ton of money - yup
So what - deal with it.
It is time. The writing is on the wall.
Sure, we can save some money. But it'll likely kill a bunch of small Canadian businesses, cut a pile of union jobs as we get nearer recession and be yet another step of handing over domestic services to international couriers and/or amazon.
I know that needs for paper mail are becoming less and less. But I think its more enshittification of the country and we would do better just to tax the rich more and pay for it.
Well that’s an opinion. I say you can do both. Cut the shit out of CP and tax the rich.
I don’t believe a ton of small businesses are going to close, and yes union job will be lost. It sucks but that is the reality of an industry that is becoming less and less needed. And yes international couriers will most likely take over but they can handle it. So what.
Cut CP and tax the rich. Win win.
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So easy to say "tax the rich".
According to a new Fraser Institute study, mentioned in today's Toronto Sun, the top 20% of Ontario's income earning families, those earning $261,620 or more, earn 49.9% of all income in the province, yet pay 56.9% of personal Federal and Provincial income taxes, plus 58% of total taxes collected by all three levels of government in Ontario.
The middle 20% of Ontarian families - those earning between $112,134 and $169,493 - earn 14.7% of total income, yet pay 10.3% of personal income taxes and 12.8% of total taxes.
The bottom 29% of Ontarian families, those earning less than $65,100, earn 4.7% of total income, yet pay 0.8% of income taxes and 2% of the total taxes.
So, not only do high-earning families pay the majority of all taxes in the province, they're also the only group to pay disproportionally more than their share of total income.
And that does not include people who work in cash businesses, such as some types of construction, or the sex industry, and who, despite earning decent incomes, often declare little or no income and pay little or no taxes. So they are, in effect, being subsidized by honest taxpayers.
I make a pretty good income, but with a high top marginal tax rate, my net income is just covering my monthly rent, personal expenses and much-needed assistance for one of my children who has a lot of prescription medicine needs not covered by OHIP, and can't find a full time job that pays a basic living wage. My son works in construction. If he gets laid off in the current new construction slump, I'll have to help him too.
The rich are taxed enough. Extreme taxation kills the incentive to work harder, or create more, when the government is clawing away much of people's income rewards for their above average hard work and efforts.
Part of the reason for the U.S. economy's relative success compared to Canada is the far lower personal income taxes they pay.
Jenesis, maybe you declare all your income, or maybe you don't. It's none of my business. But if you're not declaring your full income and paying the required income taxes, saying "tax the rich is" way too convenient and inappropriate.
You do realize it was Frankfooter who said to tax the rich instead of cutting spending at Canada Post right???? He was the one who said the rich should be paying for what CP needs.
I just said to go a head and do both. So maybe apply your post to him instead of directing it at me. I don't need nor care about your lecturing.
I was thinking the same thing...Also who decides who is rich exactly because I'm sure they won't include themselves in there.
Again, I didn’t start this tax the rich stuff. Maybe you have Frank on ignore but he wants the rich taxed to pay the billion it costs to run Canada Post. All I said is sure tax the rich but make proper cuts to CP. I'm not looking for the rich to be ripped off money to pay a losing crown corporation. That was Frankfooter.
But let’s jump on the hooker because we falsely believe she must not pay her taxes.
You're right, I do have Frankfooter on ignore. I take him off ignore from time to time to see his take on various issues, apart from Gaza/Israel. On rare occasions I even agree with him.
I did not see his "tax the rich" post, but you did repeat it by posting "tax the rich. Win win,", so that's why I replied to your post.
Jenesis you have no problem expressing your opinions on a wide range of matters. Sometimes you like my posts. Sometimes you don't.
I don't feel I am lecturing. I'm just stating my point of view and the reasons for my opinion.
More often than not I agree with you, but not on your endorsing "Cut the CP and tax the rich. Win win."
I consider Canada Post to be an essential service, especially for small businesses and seniors.
However, I do agree with the CP service reduction suggestions in the report released last week, that caused the union to take immediate strike action. I feel those many of those changes could save the taxpayers a lot of money.
I also think the Liberals are wasting way too much taxpayers' money in general on many silly & unnecessary projects and issues.
I know that some people in the sex industry do not declare their full income and pay their full taxes. Also many people in other cash professions do the same.
I was not singling out sex workers alone, but was responding to a sex worker's post... yours. I have zero interest in whether you personally do or do not declare your full income and pay full taxes.
I do declare my total income, pay full taxes, and I don't like paying high taxes to subsidize any people who do not declare and pay taxes on their full income.
Imho, these days to be considered rich in Ontario you have to have a home in the GTA that is mostly mortgage free and worth $6,000,000+ , at current market values.
Also an annual gross income not much less than $1,000,000 to cover the taxes, and what it takes to live a "rich" lifestyle and keep up with your neighbours.
I'm definitely not rich...
Do not put him on ignore; you are missing all the fun. Just poke him a bit and enjoy
You didn't mention the trailer by the lake....Imho, these days to be considered rich in Ontario you have to have a home in the GTA that is mostly mortgage free and worth $6,000,000+ , at current market values.
Also an annual gross income not much less than $1,000,000 to cover the taxes, and what it takes to live a "rich" lifestyle and keep up with your neighbours.
I'm definitely not rich...
Sorry you got targeted for my comments.Again, I didn’t start this tax the rich stuff. Maybe you have Frank on ignore but he wants the rich taxed to pay the billion it costs to run Canada Post. All I said is sure tax the rich but make proper cuts to CP. I'm not looking for the rich to be ripped off money to pay a losing crown corporation. That was Frankfooter.
But let’s jump on the hooker because we falsely believe she must not pay her taxes.
Though this shouldn't be about the top 20% and more the top 1%.
Tax the shit out of them.
https:/twitter.com/nikiashton/status/1828474315613856227
So because you have him on ignore, you don’t follow the conversation and single me out. Got it.
He was denying cuts to the system. I was basically saying - sure if you want to tax the rich - if that is your opinion - then go for it BUT cuts are needed too. So if he agrees to both it would be a win win.
but you were not following along so you would not understand the context of my post. However it does give you the ability to read the quoted material so may I suggest you do that next time before jumping in to what essentially a one way conversation for you.
I don’t like the taxes I pay either. I pay for this and my mainstream business. I pay a lot in taxes. But I wouldn’t have my house or as Oracle likes to point out, my trailer on the lake either if I wasn’t paying properly. But you and others won’t believe that I pay my taxes because so many others don’t. Do I like that they don’t? No but do I understand it? Yup. The single mother working a FT job and doing this on the side to put food on the table is not going to claim this and I don’t blame her. At least she is not milking the OW program. She is trying.
I don’t concern myself with what others are paying. Except the ultra rich using tax havens to avoid their taxes. Because they are not struggling at all. So yeah - cut those havens and tax them. I will agree with that and have no problem saying so.
But this thread is not about taxes. So I am done talking about them. It is about CP. Which was my main focus and I say cut the shit out of the program. Taxing the rich to pay the whole thing is Frank’s idea. Not mine. I say cut most of the outlets in the shoppers drug marts, weekly delivery to community mailboxes only, charge companies more for shipping out statements and stuff. Not like it matters much anyways. As boomers die off, companies will have less statements to ship out. Since it is a crown corp, all that should really be going through, on taxes payers dimes, is government documents. 90% of the rest can be paperless now.
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This is your answer for everything isn't. Spoken like somebody that doesn't pay any taxes of significance.
I pay my fair share of taxes, all I ask is that the 1% also pay their fair share.
Why does that seem wrong to you?
The decline in social services in the US and Canada has followed the neoliberal economic, austerity driven model.
The trickle down effect just made the rich richer and let them slowly defund health care, education, social services and next, the post office.
I hate it when people target other people who have jobs that pay middle class wages as if they are the problem.
