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JohnLarue

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I already said why they paused it.
To shut up Pierre and his sloganeering.
if a policy is sound , you do not reverse it because of criticism from your political opposition
your principals are worth defending or they are not worth anything

Carney's temporary reduction in the Carbon tax levy was vote buying plain and simple

And the Trump narrative is not tired and old.
We are being tariffed.
It is pretty much why Pierre lost so much support (atleast per polls) vs Carney.
that is a fools logic
Please explain exactly what Carney can do that Pierre P can not do with respect to Tariffs


Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre delivered a speech Tuesday on Parliament Hill announcing Canada's response to a 25 per cent tariff U.S. President Donald Trump is imposing on most Canadian goods.

Here is a transcript of his remarks.


At 12:01 a.m., President Trump stabbed America's best friend in the back.


My message to the president is this: Canada will fight back. We will defend our people and our economy, and we will put Canada first.

There is no doubt that our economy will suffer. But so will yours, President Trump. In fact, you're already paying the price with trillions of dollars erased in stock market value over the last month of these threats. Already, Americans are paying higher gas prices, as at midnight, a new American gas tax kicked in on U.S. working-class taxpayers and motorists.

Your workers will soon start losing jobs — jobs they had upgrading Canadian raw materials, which by the way you were getting at an incredible and ridiculous bargain, and your businesses will be selling fewer products to your closest neighbour.

And that's only the beginning. While Canadians are slow to anger and quick to forgive, once provoked, we fight back. And we will fight back.


Now, I'd like to speak to the millions of Canadians who are anxious today after learning that President Trump has attacked our economy.

To the autoworkers. The forestry workers. The steel and aluminum workers. The mining and energy workers. The truckers. The farmers. To all of you who get out of bed before the sun rises and do the labour of the nation.

You are afraid right now, and I understand. I want you to know that I will fight for you. I will fight for your job, I will fight for your family, I will fight for your chance at owning and paying off a home and I will fight for your retirement. And I will fight to put Canada first.

Before these tariffs came in this morning, you must have been asking yourself: how could things get any worse? Before these tariffs, you were already suffering. You wondered how you'd pay the rent or eventually dream of buying a home after housing costs had doubled over the last decade, rising faster than in any other G7 country.

You've downgraded your diet, as food prices have risen 37 per cent faster in Canada than in the United States over the last five years. You might be one of the two million people, a record-breaking number, lined up at food banks — a number that had more than doubled before these tariffs applied.

You've likely noticed that your paycheque is not keeping up with the record inflation, as Canada's GDP has grown less and lower than any other G7 country over the last decade.


You might have noticed that your company has already been moving jobs to the United States, as greedy and self-serving CEOs put their share prices ahead of your job and a half-trillion dollars net has left from Canada to Trump's America under the current Liberal government.

And now this. But I am here with a message of hope. We will overcome this attack on our economy, and I have a plan to do it.


Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre laid out his party's plan to counter U.S. tariffs on Tuesday. (Adrian Wyld/The Canadian Press)
First, we must retaliate, targeting American goods in the following order: a) goods we can make ourselves, b) goods we don't need and c) goods we can get from elsewhere.

Second, counter-tariffs must not be a cash cow for the government. Almost every penny of the tariffs collected should go to tax cuts, with a small sum set aside for targeted relief to workers hardest hit by the trade war. None of the money should go to new government spending and programs. We must not allow politicians to dishonestly use this crisis to once again launch a debt-fuelled, money-printing spending spree that will drive up inflation and further destroy the working class and hit the poorest people the hardest.

Third, we must immediately pass a bring it home tax cut on work, investment, energy and home building. The idea is to neutralize the cost of the tariffs with lower taxes and incentivize massive new investment in building stuff in this country. The obvious place to start is to get rid of the Liberal carbon tax, then axe the sales tax on new homes. We need to reverse the Liberal capital gains tax hike and slash income tax, so that hard work pays off and you bring home more of each dollar you earn.

Fourth, we must immediately repeal the Liberal no-new-pipelines law, C-69, a law that not only blocks all pipelines, but stops mines, refineries, export plants and all kinds of other energy infrastructure and makes us hopelessly reliant on one customer, the Americans — a customer we cannot count on anymore.
 
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JohnLarue

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Some people call them 'social services' and actually quite like them.
You know, things like schools, hospitals, health care, day care....
wrong
this is the problem

The size of the federal public service in Canada has significantly increased since 2015, with a notable rise in the number of employees and a growing share of the population it represents. The Public Service Commission of Canada reported that the federal public service reached 274,219 employees in 2022/23, a 40.4% increase compared to 2014/15. This growth has been accompanied by an increase in total compensation for federal bureaucrats, even after accounting for inflation.
40% growth in the size of govt without any benefit to the taxpayer
 

Butler1000

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As of now they havent lied.
So answer my question.
The Liberal party has. They supported Justin's lies for ten years. Dating back to electoral reform and small deficits with balanced budgets. Which means they will support Carney’s when he lies. And so far, the banker/private equity guy's numbers don't make sense. So that tells me he is lying.

Sorry dude, but he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt because the party doesn't deserve it.

And btw, that argument you are trying to use also clearly applies to the Conservatives. They haven't "lied" about their platform either have they?

You are building a field of strawman now.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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The Liberal party has. They supported Justin's lies for ten years.
And btw, that argument you are trying to use also clearly applies to the Conservatives. They haven't "lied" about their platform either have they?
You are building a field of strawman now.
Its not a strawman argument.
Trudeau is no longer in power.
You asked about the carbon tax.
They did not lie about the carbon tax as of this moment.
They have suspended it.
If they come to power and reinstate it, I will accept they lied to get votes.
As for conservatives, my question was specific.
Pierre is on record saying that Canada will stay sovereign while repeating Trump rhetoric for everything from gender to straws.
If he is engaging in political opportunism, aren't those empty words lies?
 
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We can't also forget. Carney was an advisor to Trudeau.

Ponzi scheme Liberal for some reason just keep needing your money and will pay you back some day in 20??. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Butler1000

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Its not a strawman argument.
Trudeau is no longer in power.
You asked about the carbon tax.
They did not lie about the carbon tax as of this moment.
They have suspended it.
If they come to power and reinstate it, I will accept they lied to get votes.
As for conservatives, my question was specific.
Pierre is on record saying that Canada will stay sovereign while repeating Trump rhetoric for everything from gender to straws.
If he is engaging in political opportunism, aren't those empty words lies?
Yes it is.

And Carney has stated he doesn't plan to end it, just change it. Without details. Which means he could make it worse.

Meanwhile Pierre has stated he will end it, and go with tax incentives to Corporations to get better results. I believe him.

What does straws have to do with sovereignty? That is about as strawman as it gets. If Carney agrees with France, does that mean he plans to turn Quebec over to them. Man are you grasping now at your own straws.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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And Carney has stated he doesn't plan to end it, just change it. Without details. Which means he could make it worse.
Details are not provided during a campaign.
That comes later after analysis and discussion.
So there is no lie here.
He has told you what he is going to do, which is to change it.
What does straws have to do with sovereignty? That is about as strawman as it gets.
Straws dont have anything to do with sovereignty.
It has everything to do with Trump's rhetoric which is what am accusing Pierre of either pushing or leveraging for his benefit.
So there is no strawman there.
Pierre just comes across as a Trump lackey here which Canada does not need.
 

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Carney platform promises $130B in new spending, deficits until 2029



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This is the REAL reason why older Canadians support the Liberals. They want to continue to live beyond their means, so younger people will be on the hook when the creditors come to collect. That's their true face. Everything else is just the mask they wear in public.
 

Butler1000

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Details are not provided during a campaign.
That comes later after analysis and discussion.
So there is no lie here.
He has told you what he is going to do, which is to change it.

Straws dont have anything to do with sovereignty.
It has everything to do with Trump's rhetoric which is what am accusing Pierre of either pushing or leveraging for his benefit.
So there is no strawman there.
Pierre just comes across as a Trump lackey here which Canada does not need.
Ah, so it's just an opinion based on "vibes". Got it. No facts needed.
 

bver_hunter

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And because he worked for both Goldman Sachs and was Top guy at Brookfield Management . That makes him foremost an ally to Private Equity.

Seriously, he is a card carrying elite. You can't deny this. That is his resume.
Let's get the record straight on Carnie. Yes he initially worked in his rookie days at Goldman Sachs in the 19eighties. He was outstanding at his job and they even transferred him to Tokyo. But he left the company to do his DPhil at the University of Oxford. Goldman Sachs pleaded with him to come back as he was a really smart scholar. He then worked in London, New York and Toronto for Goldman Sachs, making his way up the ladder to be the Managing Director, in charge of Sovereign Risk. His expertise in this field was the sole reason why he was appointed as the Governor of The Bank of Canada by Harper.

Hmmmmmm......... not sure what Pee Pee's experience or credentials makes him a respectful leader to take on that stupid Trump or manage The Canadian economy in these very trying times.
Maybe you can spell it all out!!
But remember that Pee Pee also campaigned for the Far Right Conspiracy Theorist called Ezra Levant who worked for the "Health Benefits" of the Tobacco Industry, and even had evidence that the Quebec Mosque shootings were from a "Rival Mosque"!!
 
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Let's get the record straight on Carnie. Yes he initially worked in his rookie days at Goldman Sachs in the 19eighties. He was outstanding at his job and they even transferred him to Tokyo. But he left the company to do his DPhil at the University of Oxford. Goldman Sachs pleaded with him to come back as he was a really smart scholar. He then worked in London, New York and Toronto for Goldman Sachs, making his way up the ladder to be the Managing Director, in charge of Sovereign Risk. His expertise in this field was the sole reason why he was appointed as the Governor of The Bank of Canada by Harper.

Hmmmmmm......... not sure what Pee Pee's experience or credentials makes him a respectful leader to take on that stupid Trump or manage The Canadian economy in these very trying times.
Maybe you can spell it all out!!
But remember that Pee Pee also campaigned for the Far Right Conspiracy Theorist called Ezra Levant who worked for the "Health Benefits" of the Tobacco Industry, and even had evidence that the Quebec Mosque shootings were from a "Rival Mosque"!!
Yep, a private equity guy. With the same attitude as the Wall St private equity guys. Just like I said. Thanks for clearly showing the Wall St. Private Equity guys like him. Says a lot for people to consider if he gives a shit about the middle class, lower class.

Because Private Equity guys have a clear track record on that.
 
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Butler1000

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Its facts.
Trump signs an EO against paper straws, Pierre starts talking about straws.
Trump starts talking about DEI, so does Pierre.
The guy is a one trick pony and a glorified sloganeer with no experience.
So straws do matter? I thought you said they didn't?

Carney promised to create govt efficiency. So did Trump. Does that make him "Trump aligned"?

Carney is a elite, an insider, a private equity trained guy. That is who he is. He is far more likely to have been found running around with, working for, agreeing with, and breaking bread with billionaires that PP. They are his friends, and clients. That's his social circle, and that's his politics.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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So straws do matter? I thought you said they didn't?

Carney promised to create govt efficiency. So did Trump. Does that make him "Trump aligned"?

Carney is a elite, an insider, a private equity trained guy. That is who he is. He is far more likely to have been found running around with, working for, agreeing with, and breaking bread with billionaires that PP. They are his friends, and clients. That's his social circle, and that's his politics.
I didn't comment on whether or not straws matter.
I said straws have nothing to do with Canadian sovereignty.
Trump's rhetoric matters and Pierre is repeating it to appeal to his base.
That is the only thing that matters in this election.
Ideology.
Trump promising efficiency in government isn't the controversial bit.
Every government promises that.
It is what he does that is the problem.
Carney isn't gutting federal agencies, deregulating, attacking DEI, LGBTQ rights etc or promising to do so.
Pierre seems to be alluding to it whether or not he means it.
Hence Pierre is not trustworthy.
It seems he will say anything for votes, and given his inexperience he cannot be trusted to reliably lead Canada during this time
 

Butler1000

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I didn't comment on whether or not straws matter.
I said straws have nothing to do with Canadian sovereignty.
Trump's rhetoric matters and Pierre is repeating it to appeal to his base.
That is the only thing that matters in this election.
Ideology.
Trump promising efficiency in government isn't the controversial bit.
Every government promises that.
It is what he does that is the problem.
Carney isn't gutting federal agencies, deregulating, attacking DEI, LGBTQ rights etc or promising to do so.
Pierre seems to be alluding to it whether or not he means it.
Hence Pierre is not trustworthy.
It seems he will say anything for votes, and given his inexperience he cannot be trusted to reliably lead Canada during this time
Neither is Pierre. Go read the Conservative Platform, not listen to Twitter.
 
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