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I see, so only the US, China and India need to do anything about climate change in your maga like reasoning.
You'd rather poor people take the brunt for the excesses of the rich and use really stupid rationales to justify it.
The poor are already taking the brunt for this. I said it so many times, carbon taxes make things more expensive. It is the poor that get affected the most. The rich do not care, they got plenty of money to waste. Everything from making batteries to food all rely on fossil fuels. So if you put a tax on it, those things get more expensive. The poor who are already struggling, now got to pay more for carbon taxes. And it is not just them, the middle class are also struggling. I already told you, difference to refill a gas tank. A standard car might have a 60 liter tank, 20 cents off means a $12 savings. It all adds up.
 

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talk about idiotic
tipping is completely discretionary
the use of energy / generating emissions is not discretionary, especially in a cold large country like Canada

your arguments are child like
Of course you missed the point.

But then again, you think these changes in CO2 and temperature can't possibly be related yet still can't explain why the temp is rising globally.

 

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You really think making the divide between rich and poor is a good idea?
The Trudeau Liberals managed to create the biggest gap between the rich and poor of any PM. It will get more and more separated if Carney continues Trudeau's legacy of uncontrolled immigration. Already asylum seekers numbers have climbed since Trump. They are entering and the Federal government is bringing them in. The hospitals are over capacity and many is due to asylum seekers. They should all be sent back. We should not even take one asylum seeker. If we do take any then zero should be getting any social benefits.
 

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The poor are already taking the brunt for this. I said it so many times, carbon taxes make things more expensive. It is the poor that get affected the most.
Not true, the carbon tax subsidies gave people cash back to cover the average person's carbon use.
Only people with higher usage ended up paying big amounts in tax.
 
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The Trudeau Liberals managed to create the biggest gap between the rich and poor of any PM. It will get more and more separated if Carney continues Trudeau's legacy of uncontrolled immigration. Already asylum seekers numbers have climbed since Trump. They are entering and the Federal government is bringing them in. The hospitals are over capacity and many is due to asylum seekers. They should all be sent back. We should not even take one asylum seeker. If we do take any then zero should be getting any social benefits.
You think the conservatives would do better?
You probably think trump is working hard for the poor in the US too.
 

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Of course you missed the point.

But then again, you think these changes in CO2 and temperature can't possibly be related yet still can't explain why the temp is rising globally.

You do realize that the Earth had ten times the carbon dioxide it has today during the Jurassic Era? The sun is increasing in brightness by 10% every one billion years. In about 1.2 billion years the Earth will become inhabitable because it will be too hot. The point is climate has been changing since the dawn of time and it will continue to do so. But do not telling me that charging carbon taxes or forcing people to be vegetarian and to eat bugs will change the weather.
 
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You think the conservatives would do better?
You probably think trump is working hard for the poor in the US too.
Under Harper Canada was a much more affordable place. Harper dealt well with the recession of 2008. Homes and rents were affordable. I can only speak of results. As for Trump, not even Republicans agree with him. The Cons would not do trade wars.
 

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Not true, the carbon tax subsidies gave people cash back to cover the average person's carbon use.
Only people with higher usage ended up paying big amounts in tax.
Why charge a tax only to give it back? Does not make any sense. Besides even with the rebates people still ended up paying more. Now Carney removed the consumer carbon tax and so are the rebates gone. See the pattern here? This is all a political ploy. All of a sudden the Liberals removed it when they were saying for the past 9 years that if we do not charge a carbon tax that the planet will burn and Trudeau was trying to say how people get more money back with the rebates. Loooool
 
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Under Harper Canada was a much more affordable place. Harper dealt well with the recession of 2008. Homes and rents were affordable. I can only speak of results. As for Trump, not even Republicans agree with him. The Cons would not do trade wars.
Wow, I didn't think anybody argued Harper did well in 2008. That's amazing.
He deregulated the banks and made it worse.

Inflation, housing prices and wealth divide have been going up steadily since Reagan and the trickle down effect.
Its time for a change.
 

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Wow, I didn't think anybody argued Harper did well in 2008. That's amazing.
He deregulated the banks and made it worse.

Inflation, housing prices and wealth divide have been going up steadily since Reagan and the trickle down effect.
Its time for a change.
What about what Trudeau did?? He did the worse of all. You never mention Trudeau. All I know is that rents were affordable during the Harper years. It is when Trudeau took office that rents more then doubled. As for Reagan, I posted the results of Reagan. The GDP in fact increased and unemployment went down with Reagan.
 

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And both poles were ice free.
More CO2 = more heat in the atmosphere.
Of course they were free. The continents were joined together. Sea levels were several feet higher. But the planet was not over crowded with so many humans. There are 8.5 billion humans and governments want more humans. What madness.
 

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What about what Trudeau did?? He did the worse of all. You never mention Trudeau. All I know is that rents were affordable during the Harper years. It is when Trudeau took office that rents more then doubled. As for Reagan, I posted the results of Reagan. The GDP in fact increased and unemployment went down with Reagan.
Trudeau had some good and some bad. Horrid on Israel. But the carbon tax, cerb, capital gains, dental, daycare were all good but clearly we need more.
 
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Of course they were free. The continents were joined together. Sea levels were several feet higher. But the planet was not over crowded with so many humans. There are 8.5 billion humans and governments want more humans. What madness.
Yup, but if the planet warms the 4ºC warmer that we are currently projected, a good chunk of humanity will just be wiped out.
 

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Trudeau had some good and some bad. Horrid on Israel. But the carbon tax, cerb, capital gains, dental, daycare were all good but clearly we need more.
Okay comrade, you are a true Marxist. Do you really believe that it works? There are Marxist countries in existence today. Look at the results. It creates poor people and rich politicians. Canada is slowly inching towards that.
 

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Yup, but if the planet warms the 4ºC warmer that we are currently projected, a good chunk of humanity will just be wiped out.
There is an end for everything. Humanity will be wiped out eventually and it will be due to greed. No amount of carbon taxes will slow the planet's slow march to warming.
 

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There is an end for everything. Humanity will be wiped out eventually and it will be due to greed. No amount of carbon taxes will slow the planet's slow march to warming.
That's essentially agreeing with me.

Okay comrade, you are a true Marxist. Do you really believe that it works? There are Marxist countries in existence today. Look at the results. It creates poor people and rich politicians. Canada is slowly inching towards that.
Not Marxist, democratic socialist. I think we'd do better to be more like northern EU countries than the one to the south.
 

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and how many Inuit have a fundamental understanding of radiative energy transfer ?
nobody is claiming the planet has not warmed modestly
however this is not driven by CO2

multiple ice ages prove there is natural variability
  • you claim co2 causes extreme weather events because of the propaganda you have read
  • you are then shown the scientists conclude there has been no increase in extreme weather events
  • all the doom and gloom predictions of the past 50 years have failed to materialize
  • net zero has been shown to be an unrealistic pipedream
  • you know depriving people of affordable energy will drive billions into abject poverty and kill millions
its time for you to wake up
And every year for the past 10 years brings record once in a lifetime extreme floods, fires, droughts and vicious tornados and hurricanes. The ice caps are melting. Yet you still deny!
 

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And every year for the past 10 years brings record once in a lifetime extreme floods, fires, droughts and vicious tornados and hurricanes. The ice caps are melting. Yet you still deny!
what is wrong with you ?

do you have a comprehension problem ?


extreme weather events are part of natural variability

The IPCC has concluded that a signal of climate change has not yet emerged beyond natural variability for the following phenomena:

  • River floods
  • Heavy precipitation and pluvial floods
  • Landslides
  • Drought (all types)
  • Severe wind storms
  • Tropical cyclones
  • Sand and dust storms
  • Heavy snowfall and ice storms
  • Hail
  • Snow avalanche
  • Coastal flooding
  • Marine heat waves
floods, fires, droughts and vicious tornados and hurricanes.
all within the bounds of natural variability


The ice caps are melting.
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The Greenland Ice Sheet could potentially disappear within as little as 1,000 years if global temperatures continue to rise. At very high warming rates, this timeframe could shorten to around 1,000 years. However, even at lower warming rates, the ice sheet would likely disappear within 10,000 years.

Antarctica's ice sheet, which covers about 98% of the continent, has an average thickness of over 2 kilometers (1.2 miles). The thickest part of the ice sheet reaches nearly 4.9 kilometers (3 miles).

it will take 80,000 years for Antarctica to melt

any more bullshit alarmist nonsense?
 

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The Greenland Ice Sheet could potentially disappear within as little as 1,000 years if global temperatures continue to rise. At very high warming rates, this timeframe could shorten to around 1,000 years. However, even at lower warming rates, the ice sheet would likely disappear within 10,000 years.

Antarctica's ice sheet, which covers about 98% of the continent, has an average thickness of over 2 kilometers (1.2 miles). The thickest part of the ice sheet reaches nearly 4.9 kilometers (3 miles).

it will take 80,000 years for Antarctica to melt

any more bullshit alarmist nonsense?
Let's add the concept of 'tipping points' to the list of things you can't understand.
 
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