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The carbon tax was killed by foreign disinformation.

The carbon tax was good, but even better were the subsidies for heat pumps.
That and renewables is all we need to do here, though renewables are so cheap they are now the choice unless you're a MAGA moron.
Lol How is it good? Do you really believe carbon taxes will change the weather. Looool See carbon taxes for what they are, it is a revenue collecting scheme. Carney wants to dodge taxes while he makes the average joe pay more taxes.
 

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I mentioned the Inuit because you said climate change is bullshit spread by propagandists and they beg to differ because they are close observers of nature in the north.
and how many Inuit have a fundamental understanding of radiative energy transfer ?
nobody is claiming the planet has not warmed modestly
however this is not driven by CO2

multiple ice ages prove there is natural variability
  • you claim co2 causes extreme weather events because of the propaganda you have read
  • you are then shown the scientists conclude there has been no increase in extreme weather events
  • all the doom and gloom predictions of the past 50 years have failed to materialize
  • net zero has been shown to be an unrealistic pipedream
  • you know depriving people of affordable energy will drive billions into abject poverty and kill millions
its time for you to wake up
 
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Lol How is it good? Do you really believe carbon taxes will change the weather. Looool See carbon taxes for what they are, it is a revenue collecting scheme. Carney wants to dodge taxes while he makes the average joe pay more taxes.
The carbon tax was part of a nobel winning award on economics dealing climate change. Its good policy that has been attacked by the oil$gas industry.
It cost high carbon emitters, not ordinary Canadians.

 

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The carbon tax was part of a nobel winning award on economics dealing climate change. Its good policy that has been attacked by the oil$gas industry.
It cost high carbon emitters, not ordinary Canadians.

Lol Carbon taxes impact the poor. The rich do not care. Like Trudeau and now Carney zipping all over the world on their private jet. How much carbon pollution does each trip put out?? And if you understood economics at all because it is clear you do not, you speak on repeating Liberal Marxist nonsense. If high cost carbon emitters like say industries pay the carbon tax, they are the ones producing products that people consume. Do you think they will adsorb the cost?? The costs get passed on to the customer, so no ordinary Canadians are the ones paying the price.


^^^^ Check out the graph of carbon emissions. This is from the government website btw. As you can see it made no difference.


^^^^^ But the carbon tax is a big revenue generator for the government so they got plenty to give to asylum seekers. As per the government website, in 2021 they made $31 billion from environmental taxes. Do you not see the scam here? I guess if the Liberals told you that the tooth fairy exists you would believe it as the Lord's Gospel truth.


^^^^ China and USA are the largest carbon tax emitters. Canada is slightly over 1%. If they really want to make a different on the planet they must go after China, USA, and India.

While the Liberal government is trying to increase the population to make more money, more people = more carbon emissions. See the top carbon tax emitters are also the most populated countries. When covid happened and people were locked up, the air and water became much more cleaner. Furthermore more people means more natural landscape must be razed to build condos. Trees are the planet's lungs, they suck in carbon dioxide and release oxygen free of charge. So discouraging population growth would be a good start to reduce pollution.
 

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Lol Carbon taxes impact the poor. The rich do not care. Like Trudeau and now Carney zipping all over the world on their private jet.
How much gas does it take for the average Canadian to drive to work?
How much fuel does a private jet take on an average trip?

Now calculate who would pay more with higher carbon taxes.
Then subtract the subsidy.
 

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^^^^ China and USA are the largest carbon tax emitters. Canada is slightly over 1%. If they really want to make a different on the planet they must go after China, USA, and India.
They are the largest countries, try using per capita instead.
 

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How much gas does it take for the average Canadian to drive to work?
How much fuel does a private jet take on an average trip?

Now calculate who would pay more with higher carbon taxes.
Then subtract the subsidy.
Except Trudeau / Carney zipping around in their private jet is payed for by taxpayers. Your point is moot.
 

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They are the largest countries, try using per capita instead.
In this case per capita is irrelevant. You ignore the fact that more people = more pollution. That is one of the reasons why China and India pollute so much more. The Trudeau Liberals has been trying to increase the population with generous financial benefits and giving taxpayers the bill.
 

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Except Trudeau / Carney zipping around in their private jet is payed for by taxpayers. Your point is moot.
The stats say the rich burn way more carbon than average citizens.
Carbon taxes hit them and if you give subsidies out for the average person its a great tax on the rich.
 

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The stats say the rich burn way more carbon than average citizens.
Carbon taxes hit them and if you give subsidies out for the average person its a great tax on the rich.
That is a Marxist quote. But my point is the tax is not reducing carbon emissions? It is not influencing behavior. The rich got plenty of money to waste. You confirmed what I was saying all along, carbon taxes is a revenue collection scheme. It makes the government money. Taxes does not change the weather but the Liberals are conning people to convince them that carbon taxes will save the planet.
 
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That is a Marxist quote. But my point is the tax is not reducing carbon emissions? It is not influencing behavior. The rich got plenty of money to waste. You confirmed what I was saying all along, carbon taxes is a revenue collection scheme. It makes the government money. Taxes does not change the weather but the Liberals are conning people to convince them that carbon taxes will save the planet.
yep
the carbon tax was nothing more than a wealth re-distribution Ponzi scheme in an eco wrapper.

it is one layer of evil to steal other peoples money
it is an entirely different level of evil to lie about why you are stealing it
 

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That's idiotic.

I'm sure you'd walk into a restaurant and argue that the group of 12 you're with should only tip as much as the one person at the bar.
But it is not. In the grand scheme of things, per capita is just a political point. How can you compare a country with 41 million people to one with 1.5 billion like China? Does it really matter. Even if each person in China was producing half the carbon taxes that Canadians produce, it does not change the fact that because there are way more people that they release way more carbon taxes as a whole. It is the same logic used by the Trudeau Liberals. They increase the GDP by increasing the population even though each person is getting poorer. Let us put it this way, a country with way less people can pollute more then a country with way too many people. The more people there are, the more carbon emissions they will release. It is simple mathematics, it is all direction proportional. You cannot change basic math.
 

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yep
the carbon tax was nothing more than a wealth re-distribution Ponzi scheme in an eco wrapper.
Yep. And Frankfooter seems to be in line with Marxism.
 

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But it is not. In the grand scheme of things, per capita is just a political point. How can you compare a country with 41 million people to one with 1.5 billion like China? Does it really matter. Even if each person in China was producing half the carbon taxes that Canadians produce, it does not change the fact that because there are way more people that they release way more carbon taxes as a whole. It is the same logic used by the Trudeau Liberals. They increase the GDP by increasing the population even though each person is getting poorer. Let us put it this way, a country with way less people can pollute more then a country with way too many people. The more people there are, the more carbon emissions they will release. It is simple mathematics, it is all direction proportional. You cannot change basic math.
I see, so only the US, China and India need to do anything about climate change in your maga like reasoning.
You'd rather poor people take the brunt for the excesses of the rich and use really stupid rationales to justify it.
 
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That's idiotic.

I'm sure you'd walk into a restaurant and argue that the group of 12 you're with should only tip as much as the one person at the bar.
talk about idiotic
tipping is completely discretionary
the use of energy / generating emissions is not discretionary, especially in a cold large country like Canada

your arguments are child like
 
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