Could Scarborough be a 3rd World Country?

[Scorpion King]

Yes, you are totally correct in saying that. And being a visible minority myself, my parents were immigrants. Nonetheless, you come to be Canadian so leave whatever undesirable practices at home. Yeah, people call Canadian social fabric a mosaic, but I don't buy that shit. You come here to be Canadian and to be Canadian means to be North American and to be North American means to adapt and integrate with Anglo political/economical/cultural/societal norms - mesh in with the majority.QUOTE]

So... these immigrants should leave whatever undesirable practices at home and adapt the 'Anglo political/economical/cultural/societal norms' of Mr. Wanker? Let me guess... you werent referring to HIM, just all the other 'normal' people in our society right?? As for coming here to be 'Canadian', anyone who comes to this country and lives (in all places) Scarborough, had better be willing to accept a mosaic or they probably wont enjoy living here very much. Have you been to Scarborough in the past 10 or 20 years? And being Canadian certainly does NOT mean being North American. Unless of course you're absolutely certain that there are no cultural/political/economic/cultural/societal differnes between Canada, US and Mexico.

Or maybe you WERE referring to Mr. Wanker. Maybe you do feel it is acceptable to hold WHITENESS as the norm (or as you call it - being Canadian). A society where you can call a community that is predominately immigrant or the decedants of immigrants to the previous 2nd - 4th generations 'the armpit of Canada'.

Perhaps you would have a different view if you discovered that the people being referred to as the armpit of Canada included you and your parents.

 

[DateMasamune]

DM,

Just going to play devil's advocate here. But okay if we're going to talk about what one can expect from North American society is freedom. The rights we are offered here provide you with a reasonable amount of freedom to do what you want so long as you aren't hurting people. This being the case a person has the right to dress and carry themselves the way that want at least according to our laws. This person has done nothing illegal.

I guess I haven't spent enough time in Scarborough but I don't think I'm met someone like that before. Well maybe at 2 am at a keg party.

The basics of utilitarianism ...the greatest happiness for the greatest number ...

Laws have to be justified by a "legislature" - as Rousseau would put it, morals don't. Furthermore, are you trying to argue that laws, or should we say the justice system determines what is moral? That would mean policemen being the enforcers of morality. - This in itself has been a debate among law makers, politicians, clergy, and philosophers since the ancient Greeks.

Nonetheless, if these people who have BO bring more harm then good to the majority, then they are not bringing the greatest happiness for the greatest number - hence, should be "coached" as someone noted.

 

[DateMasamune]

Perhaps you would have a different view if you discovered that the people being referred to as the armpit of Canada included you and your parents.

Definitely not. Upon arrival, my parents quickly went out of their way to learn and improve on their English, and be "Canadian". Yeah, we still enjoy our raw fish and eat with chopsticks, but all in all, we refer to ourselves as Canadian first. We our Japanese only by ethnicity.

Like I said before, Scarlem is where people start off, so give them a break. Yet, starting off does not mean acting like a uncultured and uncivilized barbarian Hun and roam the streets unlawfully. Being poor, or having a low income does not necessarily mean being less of a Gentlemen.

Yeah, these newcomers may have the odd job that locals don't want to do, but these are the go-getters, sometimes having more then two jobs just to get by. And as mentioned earlier, having a low status, low paying job does not make you less of a Gentlemen. It has to do with the way one acts ... it is
in their character.

 

[Scorpion King]

Please Clarify

Nonetheless, if these people who have BO bring more harm then good to the majority, then they are not bringing the greatest happiness for the greatest number - hence, should be "coached" as someone noted.

DM,

Being I've never exchanged conversation with you before I would like to know if you are only kidding by the above comment. If you are serious, please tell me, would it be okay to have your parents expelled to their home country if Wanker pops by to do a spot check and discovers they have horrible BO? Or would a period of 'coaching' be more appropriate as you've suggested - pending another spot check, of course.

Better yet, maybe Canada can take a page from Major League Baseball and adopt the '3 strikes your out' concept. i.e. If your parents are caught smelling badly on three different occasions, they're gone....

If you are KIDDING, please dont take the last comments personally... I'm just seeking clarification.

 

[Scorpion King]

Definitely not. Upon arrival, my parents quickly went out of their way to learn and improve on their English, and be "Canadian". Yeah, we still enjoy our raw fish and eat with chopsticks, but all in all, we refer to ourselves as Canadian first. We our Japanese only by ethnicity.

You appear very proud of your parents and Japanese heritage - as you should be. I would also go out on a limb and suggest you (at least your parents anyway), do a LOT more things that identify themselves with their Japanese culture other than eating raw fish with chopsticks. If they struggled as hard as you've suggested, please dont discredit their sacrifice by minimizing the amout of value and pride (that I'm sure they have) in their beginnings and country of origin.

My point is simply this... dont categorize people simply because they have immigrated here from somewhere else. Mind you, I am nowhere near as offended by your opinions as I was by the original post by Wanker. However, when you refer to immigrants as 'them' how does this not include yourself and your parents? Shouldnt you be saying 'us'...???

What would you say to Mr. Wanker if he told he bumped into your folks and said that they smelled awfully - like they just finished eating something with a bad odor... something like.. oh.. raw fish??? Would you then scurry back home and 'coach' them on their apparent inapporpriate odor??

 

[frankcastle]

DM,

Like I said I'm just playing devil's advocate. I'm not really interested in the politics or philosophies on BO.

I happen to think there are more important things going on that we shouldn't be worried about who stinks who doesn't and where are they from.

These are not particularly pressing issues so why can't we set those aside and take care of more important matters.

For example, fixing the health care system, addressing a liberal goverment that mispent millions of dollars, what to do about gas prices, what to do with the value of the doller, what to do about our deficit, what to do about the environment, what to do about heart disease and cancer, what to do about poverty, what to do with kids in the foster care system, what to do with our criminals, what to do about crime, what to do about the brain drain (I picked things that are probably pressing to Canada but we could then extend it to more global issues like global warming, unrest in various places on the planet etc.....).