H1N1 is hard for a human to get, because it has to crossover from birds, but once a human gets it, it fatality rate is quite high, something like 65%.
Did You Get The Flu Shot This Year?
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I believe that's H5N1.
I got the shot. I'm normally good at fighting off colds well, but I had two flu episodes a few years back that knocked me severely on my ass. I'd rather avoid that.
Where did you get that fact from? As far as the news has been reporting H1N1 is communicable person to person.
My bad, it's the H5N1 virus. It's been a long day. It was from a CBC interview, but there is this;
Feb 24, 2012 (CIDRAP News) – Two leading voices on the potential threat of lab-modified H5N1 viruses laid out their arguments about the human H5N1 fatality rate and undetected cases today and yesterday, with one group claiming "millions" likely have been infected and the other group saying current World Health Organization (WHO) fatality-rate estimates are about right.
One of the main flashpoints at a live discussion on Feb 3 hosted by the New York Academy of Sciences (NYAS) was a disagreement over how common undetected H5N1 infections are, a key consideration in determining the disease's case-fatality ratio (CFR). If many cases have gone unrecognized, the CFR is lower than the apparent 59%.
I've heard numbers ranging from a low 50% and up. The figure may vary because of calculating treated and untreated case, much like bubonic plague, which if gone untreated has death rate of nearly 90% but if treatments are forthcoming, it is lowered to 50%. Of course, some on here would want to do nothing, so that humans would build up an immunity to it.
H5n1 will eventually mutate so that it can transmit human to human. The current strain is only a couple more mutations away from that. When it does, it will be a really nasty bug with a distinct possibility of killing a whole lot of us. Until then, if you see a sick looking bird, stay the hell away from it.
It is true that mortality rates go way up when serious cases go untreated. The tipping point for a pandemic is the point at which there are more serious cases than there are beds, specifically, when we run out of respirators (artificial lungs). Once there are more cases than we have capacity to treat, it gets very grim very quickly and the mortality rate shoots way up.
One of the main reasons why not getting vaccinated is selfish is that if there is a major outbreak then even if you fight it off and live, you used up a bed that could have saved someone else.
It is true that mortality rates go way up when serious cases go untreated. The tipping point for a pandemic is the point at which there are more serious cases than there are beds, specifically, when we run out of respirators (artificial lungs). Once there are more cases than we have capacity to treat, it gets very grim very quickly and the mortality rate shoots way up.
One of the main reasons why not getting vaccinated is selfish is that if there is a major outbreak then even if you fight it off and live, you used up a bed that could have saved someone else.
I swear, some of you guys must work in the pharmaceutical business. :hand:
Every year, the media talks panic and destruction, and guys like you push your drugs onto society, and every year it turns out to be a big much ado about nothing! (And then of course you claim victory and say it was defeated BECAUSE of your drugs...
)Nice little racket going there. :thumb:
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I swear, some of you guys must work in the pharmaceutical business. :hand:
Every year, the media talks panic and destruction, and guys like you push your drugs onto society, and every year it turns out to be a big much ado about nothing! (And then of course you claim victory and say it was defeated BECAUSE of your drugs...
Nice little racket going there. :thumb:
...and you continue to flap your yap and make these silly comments. The sad part is that some may believe your BS, but the good news is most don't. You can't or won't even point out where I was wrong in my post, just post sill stick man cartoons, obviously illustrating your level of understanding and expect others to take you seriously. The media is not talking destruction nor panic. You position against all pharmaceuticals is infantile. I wonder how old you are. Do you remember people growing up with polio? Do you remember the last measles outbreak in you community, how about TB, small pox. All of these have been nearly eradicated as a result of the use of your dreaded vaccines. Before that there were deadly outbreaks. Today you seldom see them all in Canada.
...and you continue to flap your yap and make these silly comments. The sad part is that some may believe your BS, but the good news is most don't.
And I thought this thread was about the dreaded flu and/ or a flu shot?!
WHERE did I say ANYTHING about polio, measles, TB, or small pox? Talk about flapping your yap!
And I post "silly little stick men" because that's what this thread warrants.
BTW, by the results in this poll, it would seem that the majority (55%) would be in agreement with me that a flu shot is NOT necessary.
And I thought this thread was about the dreaded flu and/ or a flu shot?!
WHERE did I say ANYTHING about polio, measles, TB, or small pox? Talk about flapping your yap!
And I post "silly little stick men" because that's what this thread warrants.
BTW, by the results in this poll, it would seem that the majority (55%) would be in agreement with me that a flu shot is NOT necessary.
...and you continue to flap your yap and make these silly comments. The sad part is that some may believe your BS, but the good news is most don't.
And I thought this thread was about the dreaded flu and/ or a flu shot?!
WHERE did I say ANYTHING about polio, measles, TB, or small pox? Talk about flapping your yap!
And I post "silly little stick men" because that's what this thread warrants.
BTW, by the results in this poll, it would seem that the majority (55%) would be in agreement with me that a flu shot is NOT necessary.
The other diseases were just a short list of terrible illnesses that were dealt with using vaccines you so hold in derision. The flu vaccines works, period, the numbers show it. Getting a vaccine won't stop you from getting the disease but it greatly lessens the chances, and should you get it, it will more than likely very mild.
The 55% you hold up just shows that 55% haven't got it yet, not that they won't. Clearly we know one of your problems, you don't comprehend english well. Clearly you think Hilleman and Enders were quacks and you know better. Hilleman is such a charlatan, especially when he developed over 3 dozen vaccines, 14 of them for some the most common diseases, especially childhood diseases.
Hilleman and Enders are likely rolling in their graves knowing what BIG BUSINESS is now doing with so called flu "vaccines".
For the record, to everyone reading this EXCEPT Blackrock, (because he quite clearly has issues READING english let alone comprehending it... I swear he's related to Fuji! ) I have no issue with vaccines for REAL diseases (e.g. mumps, chickenpox, hepatitis A and B, meningitis, measles etc), and have been fully immunized and have also had my children fully immunized as well, but this yearly flu fiasco is nothing compared to real threats such as those mentioned earlier. The "flu" is simply a means for the pharmaceutical companies and its share holders and its related medical professionals to line their pockets every year. :hand:
The flu is easily combated by eating healthy, practicing proper hygiene habits and living a relatively clean/ healthy lifestyle. If you don't want to practice that sort of lifestyle, go ahead, get a flu shot... it really makes no difference to me.
For the record, to everyone reading this EXCEPT Blackrock, (because he quite clearly has issues READING english let alone comprehending it... I swear he's related to Fuji!
) I have no issue with vaccines for REAL diseases (e.g. mumps, chickenpox, hepatitis A and B, meningitis, measles etc), and have been fully immunized and have also had my children fully immunized as well, but this yearly flu fiasco is nothing compared to real threats such as those mentioned earlier. The "flu" is simply a means for the pharmaceutical companies and its share holders and its related medical professionals to line their pockets every year. :hand:
The flu is easily combated by eating healthy, practicing proper hygiene habits and living a relatively clean/ healthy lifestyle. If you don't want to practice that sort of lifestyle, go ahead, get a flu shot... it really makes no difference to me.
Hilleman and Enders are likely rolling in their graves knowing what BIG BUSINESS is now doing with so called flu "vaccines".
For the record, to everyone reading this EXCEPT Blackrock, (because he quite clearly has issues READING english let alone comprehending it... I swear he's related to Fuji!
Well, we now know you're old enough to have children. I still wonder if you are old enough to remember the flu outbreaks of the 50's and 60's before flu vaccine programs were commonplace.
Unlike those diseases you got you children inoculated, measles mutate far more easily so eatery years is a new battle against a new combinations of threats.
If we are so ignorant, please tell us why flu vaccines don't work as advertised?
http://www.vaccineinformation.org/influenza/
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/01/03/h1n1-canada-alberta-deaths-flu_n_4538628.html
Flu can kill.
Second link bottom of page, 21 facts about flu.
I started getting a regular shot about five years ago and intend to continue to get one every year going forward.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/01/03/h1n1-canada-alberta-deaths-flu_n_4538628.html
Flu can kill.
Second link bottom of page, 21 facts about flu.
I started getting a regular shot about five years ago and intend to continue to get one every year going forward.
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Not everyone has a superhuman immune system like you.
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You say that as if it is a certainty. It is possible but it might not.fuji said:
p.s. H1N1 and H5N1 are not specific strains of they flu, they are general categories and each one is constantly mutating. That is why people can get the flu more than once.
As corrected by others already.
And to be clear, I am aware that there is only one reported case of H5N1, and it was a fatality in rural Alberta. A woman who visited China there.
I am only guessing that I had H1N1 given my symptoms. I suspect that if I had H5N1, I would not be around to read and reply.
Bumping this thread to keep it on the front for a while longer. I cannot let the ignorant/dangerous/deadly/stupid advise given by Ridgeman to go without others realizing how bad it is. Everyone notice when he was asked to give details on where I was wrong about this supposed conspiracy about a fake disease, he ran. Feel free to prove me wrong RM. Somehow I doubt you will.
I normally get mine but I didnt. I went to a new Botox Doctor (and for first time in the 4 times I got Botox)
Where I was informed not to get a Flu shot one month before or after my treatments. Theres many side effects.
The only one I had thankfully last year was my forehead was very itchy.
Where I was informed not to get a Flu shot one month before or after my treatments. Theres many side effects.
The only one I had thankfully last year was my forehead was very itchy.
Pure naive foo-foo dust. Why not got to a witch doctor and have him shake some snake oil over your body - just as scientific. This reasoning sounds like a smoker's theory - why stop smoking - I haven't got cancer yet !
Unless you have have a childhood based irrational fear of needles (many do), I suggest that you actually look up some science lectures on youtube. The are some interesting videos on viruses (& bacteria) by the Khan Academy. I found these interesting and went into a little more depth a few weeks ago. A few things I didn't know - 5-8% of your DNA code originated from viruses carried through multiple generations. This has lead to another verification of evolution as some of these fragments are shared with species in the same grouping as follows the current evolutionary path.
I learned that if you get an influenza virus - it will multiply quickly until your body can build up cells designed to fight it. There are two versions the second more specific targeted virus killer taking longer for your body to develop. This is the theory of the vaccine - to give the body time to build these defensive killer cells on a dead virus before it hits the real thing.
Your body cannot possibly build immunity on a virus it has never seen. If you have never been sick - it has less of a chance against the real thing because it hasn't seen even a distant cousin. The H1N1 is in Ontario and has been spreading. Like a plot in a bad B movie - people who ignored the risk are starting to panic and I hear there are shortages. All because some people are afraid of a pin prick.
The flu is not even close to being easily combatted by those things.Hilleman and Enders are likely rolling in their graves knowing what BIG BUSINESS is now doing with so called flu "vaccines".
For the record, to everyone reading this EXCEPT Blackrock, (because he quite clearly has issues READING english let alone comprehending it... I swear he's related to Fuji!
The flu is easily combated by eating healthy, practicing proper hygiene habits and living a relatively clean/ healthy lifestyle. If you don't want to practice that sort of lifestyle, go ahead, get a flu shot... it really makes no difference to me.
The flu, can, and does, kill lots of people. So do things like SARS.
There is no doubt that some flues do not turn out to be as dangerous as anticipated. That is called good luck.
The alternative approach is to assume all these flues will not be that dangerous, and not do anything until lots of people are dying. That is backwards logic.
Your earlier suggestion that your body has built up immunity to "flues" can only mean it has built up immunities to flues that it has been exposed to. Unless you are very special. The whole idea of a vaccine is to expose your body to safe levels of that organism so it can build up that immunity you love so much.
Feel free to take the flu vaccine or not as your choice, but there is no need to spew such unscientific ideas to justify your position. It just makes you look silly.
The Spanish flu killed 50-100 million people, about 3-5% of the world's population in a time when disease transfer vectors were far more limited. To say that flu is just a money maker and we should not be concerned in just ridiculous.
