Do agency's keep copies of our numbers. C36 issue

[chrlsdickens]

Ok ... Here is the proof that some well known agency is keeping phones numbers saved in their phone's address book...

I recently bought a new phone and when I called with the new phone they don't pick up the phone .... but when I dialed with old phone then they pick up right away .... I have tried this 5-6 times and it worked every time ...

 

[legmann]

The general principle here is you do not want the police to be able to find you after the appointment is over. That means your risk of arrest is limited to stings, or the police catching you red handed.

The goal is to limit your exposure to the encounter itself end not leave identifying information that could be used to track you down later, such as a record of your address in the SP's/agencies booking system.

Agreed.

 

[SexyFriendsTO]

It depends how much effort the police want to put into it. Again, as I mentioned in the other thread, they can simply issue a subpoena and require the SP to testify under oath, on pain of perjury. Since the SP has nothing to lose by telling the truth, and faces jail time if it's proved she lied under oath, my guess is that most SP's simply co-operate and testify that the money was for sex.

Issuing a subpoena and threatening the SP with perjury is a lot of work for the police/crown, but if they have some motivation to pursue charges, they can certainly do that.


Just a question Fuji. Lets say you go to see an agency girls and l she gets busted week later for not paying her taxes. Now if you didnt give her your real name, address,phone number etc and even if she is willing to testify that you paid her for sex how the hell are they going to track you down?By your description? What is she going to say to the cops? "Oh I saw that Fuji guy last week with a huge sausage and he paid me so he can sausage me for an hour." ''He has a birth mark on his sausage and he is about 40 and wears a mustache". How are the cops going to track you down?They would need info. Thats why its no point for the cops to force the girl to testify. Because agency girls don't have any info on the clients. Makes sense?

 

[Huuge]

Some girls and agency's , not only keep you number , they record your likes, habits, and a description of
Some kind.
This is to help recall and provide you with a better experience , but it still happens. That info, plus your phone number could be pretty damming

 

[SexyFriendsTO]

Some girls and agency's , not only keep you number , they record your likes, habits, and a description of
Some kind.
This is to help recall and provide you with a better experience , but it still happens. That info, plus your phone number could be pretty damming

Before booking you should probably inquire about agency's policies if having your number in their data base make you worry. Most professional agency's will not save your number unless you give them your permission. I repeat again escort agency's are fully legit and registered businesses . We are allowed to operate and simply provide companionship. So you are allowed to call and book appointments and whatever happens behind closed doors that is between you and your companion. We provide safety for our escorts but we do not hold the candle while you are spending quality time with her. So as long as you are paying for time you are totally fine. If government lets us register and operate our businesses you are allowed to call without getting in trouble. Thanks Sexy Friends Toronto

 

[MattRoxx]

Since I'm not doing anything wrong and only book SPs (Social Providers) for conversation and companionship, I don't care about phone calls but what I really want to know is if any agencies will be offering December 6 Discounts in recognition of the new legislation going into effect.

 

[SexyFriendsTO]

Since I'm not doing anything wrong and only book SPs (Social Providers) for conversation and companionship, I don't care about phone calls but what I really want to know is if any agencies will be offering December 6 Discounts in recognition of the new legislation going into effect.

I cant speak for other agencies but we are a couple that run our business ourselves and we work 7 days a week 15 hours a day answering phones,driving,ads,pictures etc. We basically do everything ourselves except seeing the clients so thats how we are able to charge less and discount comes from our cut not the ladies. We already charge 20 to 40 dollars less then most agencies our level in Toronto and we take the smallest agency cut in the industry so you are basically getting a discount already. We are very busy agency and we rarely give discounts but if you happen to call and book on DEC 6 we will be happy to work something out for you.

Thanks. Sexy Friends Toronto

 

[bubble pop]

Agencies are sitting on so many numbers that it would be impossible to investigate even 1% of them.
What is possible is that those numbers get publicized or the account holder gets registered mail from the TPS indicating that an individual with a phone registered to that address is a person of interest in a C36 investigation. US style bully tactics leveraging stigma and fear.

 

[legmann]

What is possible is that those numbers get publicized or the account holder gets registered mail from the TPS indicating that an individual with a phone registered to that address is a person of interest in a C36 investigation.

Whether likely or not, most of us are not that stupid to use a phone registered to/associated with our home address - certainly not post-C36.

 

[Top Drawer]

I guess this thread still being alive is an indicator of how many of you are concerned about ensuring your numbers are deleted after the appointment to ensure you can't be tracked afterwards. Rather than dissecting the possibility of the circumstances of why the LE will investigate, let's approach this from the other angle.

Let's create a hypothetical agency and say they used a spreadsheet on Google Docs to share booking information between phone staff. At the end of each day, they took their accounting totals then deleted the information from the spreadsheet to start the next day fresh. What steps would they take to make you feel safe the data has been deleted?

1) Ensure after each shift, the receptionist deletes her Temporary Internet files
2) Turn off spreadsheet version so previous versions can't be restored
3) Never download spreadsheet
4) Store area code and phone number in different columns, or break number into 3 parts

Those are some off the top of my head, are there any others that, in concert with above would make you feel safe to use the agency that employs this process to delete information.

Thanks,

Don
TDL

 

[GPIDEAL]

What I'm trying to tell you is that you haven't really deleted it and it is easy for the police to recover, unless you have set up your computer carefully in a non standard way, something that is well being the technical know how of most people, including most people who think that they are computer savvy.

When you "delete" a file on a windows or mac computer the contents of the file are not shredded. The computer simply removes the name of the file from the directory listing. The data is still there until it is physically overwritten, by another file being written later to the same physical location on your disk, which may not happen for years depending how heavily you use your computer.

There are "secure delete" programs you can use, and ways of achieving the same thing with a clever use of encryption. But pulling that off in a way that would reliably defeat the widely available recovery tools police use is hard. I wouldn't bet my own freedom on being able to do it and I have a clear understanding of the technology!

This is true on your mobile phone as well. Deleting your text messages and call history through the menus does not really delete the data on the SD card in your phone and police can easily recover it.

But what we type here on the internet doesn't get stored on your HD, save and except for browsing history in the cache (temporary files or cookies). You're right about the files still being on your hard drive unless you re-format, or save over that section of your HD with new data, or wipe it away with a utility program, but this isn't a case of child pornography or terrorism where the police really need to catch real criminals and deploy cyber CSIs.

 

[GPIDEAL]

It depends how much effort the police want to put into it. Again, as I mentioned in the other thread, they can simply issue a subpoena and require the SP to testify under oath, on pain of perjury. Since the SP has nothing to lose by telling the truth, and faces jail time if it's proved she lied under oath, my guess is that most SP's simply co-operate and testify that the money was for sex.

Issuing a subpoena and threatening the SP with perjury is a lot of work for the police/crown, but if they have some motivation to pursue charges, they can certainly do that.


Just a question Fuji. Lets say you go to see an agency girls and l she gets busted week later for not paying her taxes. Now if you didnt give her your real name, address,phone number etc and even if she is willing to testify that you paid her for sex how the hell are they going to track you down?By your description? What is she going to say to the cops? "Oh I saw that Fuji guy last week with a huge sausage and he paid me so he can sausage me for an hour." ''He has a birth mark on his sausage and he is about 40 and wears a mustache". How are the cops going to track you down?They would need info. Thats why its no point for the cops to force the girl to testify. Because agency girls don't have any info on the clients. Makes sense?

Good point to your latter comment (agency gals don't have info on johns), but I doubt any gal will be busted for not paying their taxes. It doesn't work that way.

 

[SexyFriendsTO]

Exactly,calm down and keep on hobbying! . So basically us and most other Toronto agencies don't keep clients info unless you request us to do so. Some gentlemen request us to save them as regulars so they can book thru a text message and we know what they like and dont like. But if you dont request to be saved as regular we wont save you. Thanks and happy hobbying.

Sexy Friends Toronto

 

[AK-47]

Time to get a disposable cellphone me thinks

 

[legmann]

Time to get a disposable cellphone me thinks

Yes, foregone conclusion now. I've never had need for one before (purchasing being legal and all), but C36 will make it inevitable.

As another poster (Fuji) stated, though it hardly needs mentioning - the key to not getting caught and/or investigated later will be to cover your tracks as much as possible at the outset, so that nothing can be linked back to you afterwards.

 

[Serpent]

Yes, foregone conclusion now. I've never had need for one before (purchasing being legal and all), but C36 will make it inevitable.

As another poster (Fuji) stated, though it hardly needs mentioning - the key to not getting caught and/or investigated later will be to cover your tracks as much as possible at that outset, so that nothing can be linked back to you afterwards.

Or try not to be a criminal in the first place.

Andy from Mirage - could you please commit here that you folks would be wiping out your phone# database on Dec 5th? The interaction has been great over the past couple of years but I'd like to request that our numbers be completely deleted. Or do I need to call this request in?

 

[legmann]

Or try not to be a criminal in the first place.

Are you fucking kidding me??

 

[AK-47]

the key to not getting caught and/or investigated later will be to cover your tracks as much as possible at the outset, so that nothing can be linked back to you afterwards

And this is exactly why C36 will make sex work even more dangerous for these girls. Many guys will now get a disposable cellphone, and its gonna make it 100 times easier for girls to get robbed or have their stuff stolen, because there's no way to track thieves anymore.

And heaven forbid we get another Pickton running around, thats something I dont even wanna think about

 

[Serpent]

Are you fucking kidding me??

This C36 brings about a 5 year prison sentence. If you're going to be trying to cover tracks forensically to mitigate the 5 year risk, you have to be in deep into this escorting/paying life. For me, to break a law that carries such penalties and be branded a criminal for life is simply not worth it.

So I will not be engaging in criminal activity once the law goes into effect.

 

[Vermeer27]

This C36 brings about a 5 year prison sentence. If you're going to be trying to cover tracks forensically to mitigate the 5 year risk, you have to be in deep into this escorting/paying life. For me, to break a law that carries such penalties and be branded a criminal for life is simply not worth it.

So I will not be engaging in criminal activity once the law goes into effect.

Yes sir. If you are that deeply invested in hobbying then maybe a new law isn't your real problem. I agree, probably not worth the risk. There's a whole world of horny civilian women out there, by the way.