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Body Opus said:
I've played football and did some bodybuilding, been involved with sports for over 20 yrs...I don't know anyone who works out 3.5-4 Hrs a day.
Are you training for a triathalon ?

galt: not to be dis-respectful, but, are you OCD ?
:p No and no but I do have some very specific goals. That being said I actually typically go and do my weight workout first thing in the morning (5am) and then do an hour of cardio. By the time I get cleaned up it takes me till about 9pm to get to work. I'll work in the office till 430 or 5 pm then head back, do another hour of cardio, come home and have dinner then do some more work till bed time.

I tend to take my time working out so it's not as intense as one may think. I try to focus on technique with the weight rather than pushing more iron or doing the workout faster. I go at 5am cause it gets the workout out of the way but at the same time the gym isn't as busy so I'm able to take my time without hassling people. It also allows me to super set a few of my exercises a lot more easily.

I'm on a 4 day weight program cycle and there's anywhere from 6 to 8 exercises in each of my 4 days. I also have a 5th day that is reserved for circuit training. It occurs twice within the 4 day cycle so my full cycle is actually 6 days. I do 4 sets of 15 for all my weights and then push it up to 4X20, once I can do that successfully for two workouts I up the weight and drop the reps.

Total weight workout takes about 1.5 hours at a nice leisurely pace. I don't take extended breaks between sets but I try to keep my reps slow and controlled both on the extension and contraction side of things.

Abs also tend to take up a ton of time just due to sheer volume of reps.

Obviously, I have no family and I try to keep social stuff with friends for the weekend anyway so it's actually not as hard as one would think.
 

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GALT: Thanks for the explanation...
Good program: With a split workouts and weights 4 times per week.
Good Luck in attaining your goals.
 

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Beautiful...the expertise that pops out of this Board!

I'm impressed.
If I may I would like to ask several questions.
I go to a gym 3-5 days a week...it varies with work schedules.
When there, in the AM and prior to any food intake, I work out for about an hour. I do stretches, a weight work out on a number of resistance machines, which takes about 30 minutes, then a bike for 25-30 mins. On the bike I try to maintain my heart rate at my target...134 bpm.for 90% of the time.
So here are my questions:
Is it a good strategy to combine aerobic (cardio) with the weights...or should I work it on alternate days.
I move through my cycles quickly...keep moving. I notice I don't use as much weight as others, but then again, they don't appear to do as many reps at a time and while they may do more of each exercise...they rest for a long time in between sets. By the time I hit the bike, my heart rate is up near the target... For the weight training which is the preferable strategy...lighter weights, more reps, keep moving or higher weights, fewer reps, long rest periods between?
 

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Shades...that's a decent workout. It really depends on what you want to do to your body. do you want to get big and defined? do want to just be in good cardio-vascular shape...do you want to lose weight...etc...


it really depends on your goals
 

Shades

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Thanks Hornydawg...
I have to have a hernia done in a few months...by the way, thanks to all for their posts on Shouldice....and need to lose some weight...about 10 lbs by July. So I am doing this workout on about a 1000 cal per day diet.
Therefore goals: lose weight, build basic muscle tone and strength. Some definition would be nice, but I have no ambition to take on Arnie S in that department.
I think what I am doing will get me there I am just curious as to whether I sould be alternating the weights and cardio and the best weight strategy.
Cheers
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Shades said:
Is it a good strategy to combine aerobic (cardio) with the weights...or should I work it on alternate days.
I move through my cycles quickly...keep moving. I notice I don't use as much weight as others, but then again, they don't appear to do as many reps at a time and while they may do more of each exercise...they rest for a long time in between sets. By the time I hit the bike, my heart rate is up near the target... For the weight training which is the preferable strategy...lighter weights, more reps, keep moving or higher weights, fewer reps, long rest periods between?
From my experience;

Answer to your 1st question- it really depends on your body type (metabolism, etc.)and your goals. I know friends who have different approaches (combined cardio or cardio on separate days) and they have similar results. What are your goals? If you're trying to lose as much fat as possible, I'd recommend you do cardio on the same days as you lift weights- preferably right after weights, that way your body goes more into fat burning mode during cardio as your body is already exhausted from the weights.

For your 2nd question, again, it depends on your goals. The general rule of thumb for lifting weights is- heavy weights low reps low # of sets for muscle bulking (mass). Light/medium weights high reps medium/high # of sets for muscle toning and shaping (definition). For bulking- rest 60-90 secs between sets, for toning- rest 30-60 secs between sets. Don't worry too much about lifting as much weight as possible or as much as the other guys in the gym. They may have different goals than you and also might be at a different fitness level.

I know it sounds like a cop out answer, but everyone's body type/make-up is different and what works for one person might not work for the next. Different bodies will respond differently from doing the same physical movements. Factors like genetics and lifestyle play a key role in this. That's why you have to experiment with different techniques/ routines to find the one that works best for you to help acheive your desired goals. Good luck.
 

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I personally think 3-4 hrs in a gym is overdoing it but thats me.
I get good results from 1 hr in the gym 3 days a week.
I dont need more but then again i'm not training for some bodybuilding show.
I guess it all depends on your goals, if you just wanna get into shape then 1 hour is plenty

I don't know Galt so I can't comment on the 3-4 hrs that he does good for him that he works out . I do think for most people 1-1 1/2 hrs is sufficient lso depending on your age anything longer means you don't recover fully for the next workout so you may get better results from shorter workouts.
My Dad was a ranked weighlifter not bodybuilder lifter and I lift also so I know a bit on the subject. While Galt is right technically I will point out my dad lifted at a time when few people took supplements , my dad never did .
I think the health magazines overstress the protein supplements after a workout , they are in the business of course to sell magazines and advertisers sell supplements.
Basically calories increase weight cut back on calories and exercise and you lose weight. Try to eat a balanced diet and you will be fine.\

What a lot of people don't realize is that the bodybuilders who are featured in magazines probably spend $ 200 per month on supplements and are pumped on steroids. They will probably also have very miserable lives when they get to be 50 yrs old if they.
Exercise, eat a balance of protein and carbs, oh and did I say exercise.
 

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Sorry to feel like i'm hijacking someone's thread here but here's another fitness question. I'm overweight by about 20lbs and i've been doing a lot of home gym type of things (pushups, crunches etc.) The problem is that i've been doin it for about 3 weeks with no weight loss (40mins - 1hr every 3-4 days watching the news at night) but I do see a lot of muscle gain. How do I get the weight down? I don't mind the developing muscles but it's not one of my goals, weight loss is as I want to get down to my optimal BMI zone.
 

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Phelan, that will do absolutely nothing because as we age our stomach acid gets weaker.
What you need to do is go to a health food store and ask for Amino acid complex called 'amino 2222 caps' made by Optimum.
Take 2 caps 1/2 hr before breakfast and the same before dinner and watch your fat melt away (slowly).

Not every store has this brand so you want to look around.
I recommend this brand cause it works the best for me.

Another good weight loss pill is Chromium 200 mcg daily.
(of course you still need to do cardio etc. to get best results)
 

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Instead of filling up on chemicals, get more exercise. From what I've been told, doing crunches is a waste of time until you've gotten the fat off. Crunches tone the muscle, but what's the point if the muscle is covered by fat? Even modest exercise should be able to get 10 lbs off pretty quickly.
 

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The stuff you're doing is all well and good but I think it has to be coupled with cardio forany weight loss. Crunches and pushups don't get your heart rate up and don't burn as many calories. Jogging/running are good choices.
 

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I always thought that it was a pretty straight forward formula...burn more calories than you consume and you will loose weight.
I went through the Atkins diet plus exercise but wasn't loosing weight until I adjusted my diet to 1000 calories per day. Now for a six footer, like me...this doesn't sound like alot. But it seems to work and I am now losing it. (weight that is). At first I was ravenous on the low cal regime, but this passed in about a week...now it is easy to stay within that range and feel good!
Phelan, try counting calories as well as the exercise. Might start to see some results.
 

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I have always had a very irritable stomach, so my doctor recommended the blood type diet. I have always been very active, and never over weight, but since I started this diet which was over a year ago I just feel great, more endurance and stamina in my workouts (and sex) and I think I will soon be able to drop those "last 5 pounds". The reason I am so happy with this diet, in combination with regular exercise of course, if that I in inheritably have a very slow metabolism and was still able to have success. Is anyone else on the "blood type diet"? I would love to have someone to exchange ideas and recipes with if you are a type B.
And on a side note, when ever I take my daily b12 pills, I can stay hard for hours on end, not sure why though, but I do reccomend it.
 

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phelan said:
I don't mind the developing muscles but it's not one of my goals, weight loss is as I want to get down to my optimal BMI zone.
BMI is a big misnomer (sp?). These are antiquated indices that doctors and some fitness "professionals" still use. With BMI a large percentage (66-80%) of professional athletes would be considered morbidly obese. Please do not use BMI as an indicator of fitness levels

As for weight loss, I know that priorities revolve around numbers and we have to set our goals based on numbers, but keep in mind the same VOLUME of muscle weighs substantially more than fat. For instance when I started back at the gym I weighed about 248-255 depending on time of day. 2 months later same weight. However waist size has dropped by 2 inches, my ass is getting to the point whereby it doesnt need its own area code, body fat test resulted in a 5% decline and muscle mass is up by 3.5 pounds. I have had to get my suits retailored and the older tighter suits fit like a glove.

So therefore think about your goals. Is hitting 220 for me important. Absolutely! Would I prefer a tight 230 vs a worn out and not so toned 220. Absolutely. Weight is an easy marker for most people. Once again rethink your goals.

Another thing from the know it all, I find that the most important thing to success is consistency. What kind of exercises you do are somewhat meaningless unless you are doing sport specific training and avoiding dangerous exercises if you are a beginner. I kind of chuckle when I see people focusing on there problem spots. I agree with the comment on crunches for getting rid of the fat on your belly, but there is some benefits to crunches for fat burning. Just doing activity will enhance your bodies fat burning levels. Your body predetermines through genetics where it like to store fat and where it will be burned first.

Lastly if we are talking chemicals and fat burning, I am a bit of a junkie when it comes to supplements. I can usually determine if something is worth it or not. The best fat burning supplements that I have found are the ephedrine/caffeine/aspirine stack, (too dangerous for beginners or people with medical conditions), Guggulsterones (a naturally occurring plant extract that increases your metabolism through thyroid stimulation (natural substance only side affect is an almost immediate rise in you body temperature, but no jitters or gut rot like the previous) and the most impressive supplement that I have recently found is a product called TIGHT. It is a synephrine(similar to ephedrine but with a lot less jitters)anhydrous caffeine/guggulsterone/greentea extract stack. It also has Yohimbe bark in it. I remember Yohimbe as being one of the first supplements I tried and soon after it was proven as worthless. However Yohimbe has recently been proven to attack brown fat cells, the fat that you cannot get rid of ie, last bit of belly fat, for women legs and ass and in both men and women the love handles. This brown fat is the last to go because its makeup is different than regular fat tissue. I have heard of fitness athletes combining Yohime micro-crystiline with a transdermal cream like preperation H and applying it directly onto the skin over the problem areas. Its not a transdermal diuretic, but rather the Yoh, activates the receptors in these brown fat cells.

Be careful of this product TIGHT. I never usually listen to the dosages on the label of products, but with this one I have definitely been following them carefully.
 

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well as soon the weather warms up a bit i'll be doing some cycling around town, but yeah thnx for all the advice. I don't think I'll goto the nutrition store anytime soon but i'll start watching more what i eat in terms of cals, as right now I think i'm eating the normal 2000 cals a day or just a little above it (I dont' eat sweets so that's a bonus lol) I'm sure I can cut that down a bit :)

My other question is that what's another good cardio workout aside from jogging as I hate running on the treadmill, it's just boring literally. I know when the weather warms up i'll be doing some cycling, but any other cardio workouts that you can do from home as I want to put some variety into my routine.

thnx.
 

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phelan said:
well as soon the weather warms up a bit i'll be doing some cycling around town, but yeah thnx for all the advice. I don't think I'll goto the nutrition store anytime soon but i'll start watching more what i eat in terms of cals, as right now I think i'm eating the normal 2000 cals a day or just a little above it (I dont' eat sweets so that's a bonus lol) I'm sure I can cut that down a bit :)

My other question is that what's another good cardio workout aside from jogging as I hate running on the treadmill, it's just boring literally. I know when the weather warms up i'll be doing some cycling, but any other cardio workouts that you can do from home as I want to put some variety into my routine.

thnx.
Best and cheapest cardio is jump rope.
 

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I went from a unhealthy 310 lbs to a healthy 205 lbs in a matter of 11 monthes.
I went back to a 2 day cycle with walking daily at a brisk pace. I watched my heart rate and kept it between 95 and 119. I switched my blood sugar levels so i was in hibernation mode to help kick start the fat burning process. I ate meat and lots of vegetables added complex carbs back slowly to see which ones caused my blood sugar levels to peak.
The weight training was important to raise my muscle mass that also added to my ability to break down fat while resting. Cycling was great complement to the walking to help the resting heart rate which presently sits at around 48. Before i lost the weight my resting heart rate was around 89 bpm. Even at 310 i cycled and i was fairly active. But after the death of my wife too much beer, food and self pity put me into that position.
One thing to remember, what works for one person may not work for someone else.
 

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canucklehead said:
I went from a unhealthy 310 lbs to a healthy 205 lbs in a matter of 11 monthes.
I went back to a 2 day cycle with walking daily at a brisk pace. I watched my heart rate and kept it between 95 and 119. I switched my blood sugar levels so i was in hibernation mode to help kick start the fat burning process. I ate meat and lots of vegetables added complex carbs back slowly to see which ones caused my blood sugar levels to peak.
The weight training was important to raise my muscle mass that also added to my ability to break down fat while resting. Cycling was great complement to the walking to help the resting heart rate which presently sits at around 48. Before i lost the weight my resting heart rate was around 89 bpm. Even at 310 i cycled and i was fairly active. But after the death of my wife too much beer, food and self pity put me into that position.
One thing to remember, what works for one person may not work for someone else.
Nicely put! People should follow this example. Do you have one of those glucometres for the blood sugar measurement? I think the key to your success is consistency and tenacity.

Earlier someone posted that they eat only 1000 calories per day. Your doing more damage to your body than good. Your devastating your metabolism! You have to trick your metabolism by switching up your calorie count on a daily basis with clean food and if your a smallish person male under 170, bump that number up to at least 1500-1800 cals per day and have a day every two weeks where anything goes! Try stuffing yourself silly from dawn till dusk. This will cause a lasting effect of increased metabolic rate as well as turning you off all the food you have been craving, and in return your body will demand of the clean food in the following days.

Caveat; I agree with canucklehead, everyone is different and different things work better for different people. But not that different.
 
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