FBI investigating death of suspect after Minneapolis police officer put knee on neck

derrick76

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Could also be interpreted that Trump meant citizens start shooting looters while they are protecting their businesses.

Remember the armed Koreans on roof top during L.A. riots??

Shoot to kill to protect businesses. Maybe someone could have been perched on a roof top like that too take out the cop and protect the life of George Floyd?

Would that be wrong?
 

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This incident is tragic and so many ways.
However I believe that if the cop was black and the victim was white the right wingers on this board would be on the victims side and the left-wingers would be on the cop’s side.
Unfortunately this is a reflection on our society today.
So sad, but true.
Wrong. Not me. I hate the abuse of authority and this brutality. We are not callous like right wingers. That cop who killed Aussie lady deserved what he got. We are just upset that he's the only one. It felt like a slap in the face.

But do do you have any evidence of black cops murdering whites and people rejoicing/defending it? Or are those people instead saying 'now you know how it feels'?
 

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Look. Nothing is helping. Peaceful protest doesn't help either. Peaceful protest is pointless and useless in the USA...especially for black people. People are frustrated! Does begging grace from your oppressor really work? Asking for a friend since it clearly didn't work for Mr Floyd.

Some of the people causing destruction probably don't really are about justice but just want to cause anarchy for shits and giggles, but there are genuinely hurt and frustrated people involved.

But tell me, when the USA goes abroad to invade other countries, and impose their will on them, are they doing that peacefully? The brown lives over there are merely collateral damage, right?
I fully agree with you. The whole perception of the U.S. as the land of the free and the home of the brave is the thickest veneer of BS that only a naive person with very little understanding of U.S. history can believe. The biggest irony here is how much Americans like to point the finger at other countries and accuse them of being racist, xenophobic, oppressive, etc. Take the case of a country like Hungary which got a lot of bad press and accusations of being racists from the North American media during the refugee crisis of 2015. I am not black. I have spent quite a bit of time in Hungary and I have met lots of tourists from visible minorities on my travels there. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that a black man would be way safer jogging or walking on the streets of Budapest late at night than in many places in the U.S. However, you would never assume this if you let the regular media outlets shape your impressions.
 

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I have spent quite a bit of time in Hungary and I have met lots of tourists from visible minorities on my travels there. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that a black man would be way safer jogging or walking on the streets of Budapest late at night than in many places in the U.S..
A black jogger not a problem a Gypsy jogger not so much.
A white jogger late at night in a predominantly Gypsy neighbourhood again a problem.
Hungary has its own racism and prejudices internally and externally there is no love loss between them and Romania either.
If you have spent time in Hungary you should be aware of that also. but I agree it is not on the same level as in the US.
 

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I fully agree with you. The whole perception of the U.S. as the land of the free and the home of the brave is the thickest veneer of BS that only a naive person with very little understanding of U.S. history can believe. The biggest irony here is how much Americans like to point the finger at other countries and accuse them of being racist, xenophobic, oppressive, etc. Take the case of a country like Hungary which got a lot of bad press and accusations of being racists from the North American media during the refugee crisis of 2015. I am not black. I have spent quite a bit of time in Hungary and I have met lots of tourists from visible minorities on my travels there. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that a black man would be way safer jogging or walking on the streets of Budapest late at night than in many places in the U.S. However, you would never assume this if you let the regular media outlets shape your impressions.
I've been to Budapest countless times. At one point every month of 2015. I have been stared at many times but it was a Roma (Gypsy) girl I was with that got the hate. From what I understood, in Hungary they'd rush past a black man to beat the shit out of Roma person first.

But yes, the USA has no right to lecture others on human rights abuses. I think I stated this many years ago here, or perhaps on a different message board. It's just like they tell other observers to mind their own business and stay out of their elections while their government interferes with other country's very own!
 

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I'm not sure when you factor in pension and benefits the pay is low. Big cities do really try to hire people with a certain temperament and attitude. I will give you the attraction to power.

The big problem is the police force is like a fraternity with an esprit de corps. It's possible the other cops at the scene were not hyper-aggressive officers, but knew not to challenge another cop's actions.

These type of hyper-aggressive cops can have a strong family or friend connection that pulls them into the force. Once they're in the Union it can be hard to discipline. The Union has some political muscle within Democratic cities and with elected prosecutors.
I think you are absolutely right. The problem with this set up is that it turns the tables on the relationship by making the public subservient to the cops and their corrupt union, by association as opposed to the cops serving the interests of the public.
 

nomos

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This incident is tragic and so many ways.
However I believe that if the cop was black and the victim was white the right wingers on this board would be on the victims side and the left-wingers would be on the cop’s side.
Unfortunately this is a reflection on our society today.
So sad, but true.
I disagree with you. I think the majority of people would make their decision based on their general perception of the event. I don't identify with either group. I am simply responding as a human being who has common sense and empathy. I believe most people would approach the situation in the same way. By the way, when was the last time you saw or read a report of a black cop murdering a white suspect with such a clear example of excessive force and brutality?
 

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This incident is tragic and so many ways.
However I believe that if the cop was black and the victim was white the right wingers on this board would be on the victims side and the left-wingers would be on the cop’s side.
Unfortunately this is a reflection on our society today.
So sad, but true.
I think you are projecting something on to this incident that doesn't exist. There is overwhelming condemnation from almost everyone here in the U.S.
 

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You watched the video. Does he look black to you? That's the underlying issue. A lot the 'protesters' are not black.
I didn't watch it.

A lot of the protesters are whites - everything from habitual "radicals" who attend every demo they can, to thrill seekers, to looters looking for opportunities. And I posted an article above which says that neo nazis are now looking for opportunistic chances to "ally with other oppressed peoples" - i.e. and crash in on any discordant activities they can to push their own BS.
 

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A black jogger not a problem a Gypsy jogger not so much.
A white jogger late at night in a predominantly Gypsy neighbourhood again a problem.
Hungary has its own racism and prejudices internally and externally there is no love loss between them and Romania either.
If you have spent time in Hungary you should be aware of that also. but I agree it is not on the same level as in the US.

Hi Fradi, you are right and I am aware of that. However, what I said was in reference to how repeatedly blacks are victims of police brutality resulting in death in the U.S. It goes without saying that a lot of countries have their problems with racism but considering that they U.S. has such a serious racial problem that has been an integral part of its history then, they should not be pointing the finger at other countries because they have no moral higher ground to do so.
 

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Derek Chauvin and George Floyd knew each other, they both worked at the same night club as security.

Very interesting.
 

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They finally arrested the cop, he should be shot together with the looters, vandals and hooligans.
 

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I've been to Budapest countless times. At one point every month of 2015. I have been stared at many times but it was a Roma (Gypsy) girl I was with that got the hate. From what I understood, in Hungary they'd rush past a black man to beat the shit out of Roma person first.

But yes, the USA has no right to lecture others on human rights abuses. I think I stated this many years ago here, or perhaps on a different message board. It's just like they tell other observers to mind their own business and stay out of their elections while their government interferes with other country's very own!

I fully agree with you. I think Hungary, deserves a lot of credit for the, although sometimes slow but, consistent progress in protecting minorities within such a short period of time. When you think about it, this process only started when Hungary came off the yoke of Communism. The U.S. on the other hand has been dragging its feet since at least the 60's and still you see this type of $hit going on.
 
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