the person in the article is a pedophile and not a child soldier. not really relevant.
Feds have 7 days to remedy breach of Khadr's rights
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Wow!! This thread really brings out all the racists. Unbelievable!!! It just goes to show, the rule of law only hangs by a thread and it would take very little for our great nation to slip back into mob justice. Even our PM has been seduced by it.
Was he a minor when he commited his alleged crimes? Did Thailand bypass it's own laws to convict him? Then one cannot say he did not receive a fair trial.
Actually, I don't think so. The Terb population is not representative of canadian citizens.
Part of me says, he's a Canadian, no matter what, and we should be above board. Part me says ship him to Swat, Pakistan with a note saying he spilled his guts to the Americans. I'm leaning to the latter. His whole family too.
Maybe you are right. Ship him to Pakistan. And don't stop thre. What about serial killers. Ship them also. And while we are at it, ship all murderers and serious criminals. Don't forget Conrad Black.
And for good measure, ship all men who have purchased sex from prostitutes.
They did. It was the politicians who royally fucked it up: Gitmo, the kangaroo courts, the farcical laws they made up just for Khadr.
That depends on the situation. They're not required to put themselves at risk to save his life. If they could argue that tending to him would leave them exposed, or transporting him slow them down and make them vulnerable to attack, they could just leave him there. If it was crystal clear that there was no risk in treating or tending him then it would be a crime not to.
You have no idea what you're talking about and I suspect you're making things up as you go.
The convention does not exempt children from being tried for crimes committed nor does it assert anything ludicrous like stating that children will be rehabilitated, only that it be attempted. It very reasonably asserts that all child soldiers must be put into rehabilitation programs designed to facilitate their reintegration. This could be done concurrent with criminal proceedings or it could be done while they serve out a sentence for their crimes.
At the age of 15 Khadr may well have been someone who could have been rehabilitated had anybody bothered to try. As an adult who has been subject to repeated abuse at the hands of the Americans he's likely hardened his views since.
Someone should be jailed for the way he was treated--Canada's security has been put horrendously at risk by it.
Consider this: The comedy of errors, the kangaroo courts that were set up and disbanded, have more or less ensured that Khadr is now NOT going to serve any significant time in jail. I predict he'll be a free man within ten years and that as a Canadian citizen he will return to Canada with all his anger and rage and who the fuck knows what he'll do then.
I disagree, they are both Canadian Citizens (though Kahdr is a Treasonous Terrorist who by virtue of being so forfeits his citizenship).
Just going to bat for a pedo is not as sexy as "a child soldier" fighting the big bad Americans.
Kahdr is where he is today because his Terrorist family put him there and he chose to stay there and fight for the Taliban.
I trust the Americans to give him a fair trial and do with him what they want.
Whereas I don't. The fake courts set up in Guantanamo seem anything but fair to me. He needs to be tried in a regular court under the ordinary rules, either a proper military tribunal following the ordinary military code of justice, or an ordinary civilian court following the ordinary law.
The process of creating new laws and new rules just for him, with one-sided rules of evidence, and under a command that fires any judge that dares rule in Khadrs favour, is shockingly undemocratic and inherently unfair.
If he were being tried in a proper American court I would be sure that he would receive a fair trial--but he's not, he's being tried in a fake kangaroo court that makes up its own rules as it goes.
Keep Khadr out of Canada
The case of terrorist poster boy Omar Khadr -- his only upside being the luck-of-the-draw of being born in Canada -- has reached another crescendo with the Federal Court giving Stephen Harper's government until this week to come up with its action plan.
Khadr was 15 when he ended up in the American prison camp at Cuba's Guantanamo Bay, and he is now almost 24.
Boo-hoo. And la-dee-dah.
Unfortunately, Omar Khadr is in the news again, having just fired his U.S. lawyers.
Too bad more ink must be spilled.
We, unlike too many, remember terrorism is bred in the bone of Omar Khadr.
We remember how Jean Chretien used diplomatic leverage as PM to rescue Omar Khadr's father, Egyptian-born Amed Khadr, from the Pakistanis following his 1995 arrest for a deadly bombing in Islamabad.
We remember Ahmed Khadr then went to ground in Afghanistan, and met with al-Qaida leaders, including Osama bin Laden, who reportedly attended his daughter's wedding in 1999, two years before unleashing 9/11.
We remember how Amed Khadr was killed in 2003 during a gun battle with Pakistani military, two years after his then 15-year-old son -- poster boy Omar -- was planting landmines in Afghanistan before being wounded in a gunfight with U.S. soldiers.
And, oh yes, after allegedly tossing the grenade that landed him in Gitmo for killing a U.S. medic, Sgt. Christopher Speer.
When was the last time anyone cried for Speer?
Or even remembered his name?
The rest of Omar Khadr's family is equally worthy of nothing.
The eldest son, Abdullah, is accused of selling weaponry to the Taliban and al-Qaida.
Second eldest, Abdurahman, claims to have broken family ties after 9/11, but was "raised to be a suicide bomber."
Her youngest, Abdul, 21, was paralyzed from the waist down in the same gun battle that killed his father, and was recently arrested in Toronto for sex offences.
As for Omar himself, why bring him back to Canada? Simply because he was born here?
Screw him.
Let him be tried by the country that charged him, just as we try foreigners indicted for crimes here.
He's a waste of our breath.
http://www.torontosun.com/comment/editorial/2010/07/09/14665411.html
The case of terrorist poster boy Omar Khadr -- his only upside being the luck-of-the-draw of being born in Canada -- has reached another crescendo with the Federal Court giving Stephen Harper's government until this week to come up with its action plan.
Khadr was 15 when he ended up in the American prison camp at Cuba's Guantanamo Bay, and he is now almost 24.
Boo-hoo. And la-dee-dah.
Unfortunately, Omar Khadr is in the news again, having just fired his U.S. lawyers.
Too bad more ink must be spilled.
We, unlike too many, remember terrorism is bred in the bone of Omar Khadr.
We remember how Jean Chretien used diplomatic leverage as PM to rescue Omar Khadr's father, Egyptian-born Amed Khadr, from the Pakistanis following his 1995 arrest for a deadly bombing in Islamabad.
We remember Ahmed Khadr then went to ground in Afghanistan, and met with al-Qaida leaders, including Osama bin Laden, who reportedly attended his daughter's wedding in 1999, two years before unleashing 9/11.
We remember how Amed Khadr was killed in 2003 during a gun battle with Pakistani military, two years after his then 15-year-old son -- poster boy Omar -- was planting landmines in Afghanistan before being wounded in a gunfight with U.S. soldiers.
And, oh yes, after allegedly tossing the grenade that landed him in Gitmo for killing a U.S. medic, Sgt. Christopher Speer.
When was the last time anyone cried for Speer?
Or even remembered his name?
The rest of Omar Khadr's family is equally worthy of nothing.
The eldest son, Abdullah, is accused of selling weaponry to the Taliban and al-Qaida.
Second eldest, Abdurahman, claims to have broken family ties after 9/11, but was "raised to be a suicide bomber."
Her youngest, Abdul, 21, was paralyzed from the waist down in the same gun battle that killed his father, and was recently arrested in Toronto for sex offences.
As for Omar himself, why bring him back to Canada? Simply because he was born here?
Screw him.
Let him be tried by the country that charged him, just as we try foreigners indicted for crimes here.
He's a waste of our breath.
http://www.torontosun.com/comment/editorial/2010/07/09/14665411.html
I just read thru a brief of the Federal Court judge's recent decision re the Khadr case. Surprisingly, it was somewhat more nuanced and intelligent than the previous poster's commentary.
If any of you want to read the decision instead of ranting, it's probably available online.
If any of you want to read the decision instead of ranting, it's probably available online.
I will leave my opinion on the case for another time but I think the reason why the canadian government will not go to bat for Khadr adn the reason that the Americans want him so bad is because a while ago, our prime minister jean Chretien, intervened on behalf of the Khadr father to have him released. He was released adn then afterwards was involved in a terrorist bombing. That is an embarasment for canada, we asked for someoen to be let out and then he goes and kills people.
If it wasnt for the father and the family connection, Omar would have been home along time ago.
Ya, cause look how fast he brought home Conrad Black. Typical idiot liberal who needs no proof in labelling someone a racist
He was never asked to bring home Conrad Black, who is quite big enough to look after himself, thank you. Conrad had a trial, lost it, won the appeal and will get another trial, all before a proper court.
Read up on Khadr and spot the differences between the 2 cases.
Here's some food for thought:
Omar Khadr is unlikely to get any sort of lengthy jail sentence. By the time his trial is finally over there's a reasonable chance that, if he actually is convicted and sentenced to anything, it won't be for much more than the time he's already served: He's been in eight years already. If he gets 2:1 credit that's equal to sixteen years.
Odds are he's out of jail sometime within the next ten years and fully eligible to return to Canada and resume his life as a free man.
After Canada spent the last eight years saying "fuck you Khadr", do you think he is going to be rehabilitated from his terrorist ways? Or do you think he's going to plot his revenge?
Had we done right by him eight years ago, had we sent him for counselling, had we stood up to ensure he was treated fairly, he might have grown into a man who rejected his father's ways.
Unlikely now, and soon, that'll be our problem.
Omar Khadr is unlikely to get any sort of lengthy jail sentence. By the time his trial is finally over there's a reasonable chance that, if he actually is convicted and sentenced to anything, it won't be for much more than the time he's already served: He's been in eight years already. If he gets 2:1 credit that's equal to sixteen years.
Odds are he's out of jail sometime within the next ten years and fully eligible to return to Canada and resume his life as a free man.
After Canada spent the last eight years saying "fuck you Khadr", do you think he is going to be rehabilitated from his terrorist ways? Or do you think he's going to plot his revenge?
Had we done right by him eight years ago, had we sent him for counselling, had we stood up to ensure he was treated fairly, he might have grown into a man who rejected his father's ways.
Unlikely now, and soon, that'll be our problem.
Didnt Conrad Black renounce his citizenship? oh....there goes that argument.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/black_conrad/canada_return.html
