Frustrated Liberals say Pierre Poilievre is crushing them — and some of them are blaming Justin Trudeau

[The Oracle]

Althia Raj: Frustrated Liberals say Pierre Poilievre is crushing them — and some of them are blaming Justin Trudeau

If Trudeau hears them out — and his backbench musters up the courage to speak, MPs predict “sparks will fly” when the Liberal caucus meets next week.

www.thestar.com

When The Star starts printing this stuff you know he's done. His own party is sick of his divisiveness.

 

[The Oracle]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1700279836462231989

Pierre is crushing it....

 

[TomFord1980]

The left wing lunatics would blow a gasket but would be welcome for normal people.

 

[Frankfooter]

No, the Star has been right wing for a while now.

 

[Frankfooter]

You can't get more left wing, than the Toronto Star!!

Well, if you think Fox is centre, I'm sure you could believe that.

 

[bver_hunter]

The Latest Polls has The Approval rating for both Trudeau and Pee Pee at 41%.
Both are tied at 28% as the preferred PM. Yes The conservatives are at 37% and The Liberals are at 31%. But this was almost a similar figure when O'Toole's Conservatives were ahead by at least 5 Points over The Liberals:

Poilievre ties Trudeau as Canadians’ preferred prime minister, new polling shows

Research Co. and Glacier Media surveying also found that one in four Canadians say housing, homelessness and poverty is the most important issue facing the country

biv.com

 

[Not getting younger]

The Latest Polls has The Approval rating for both Trudeau and Pee Pee at 41%.
Both are tied at 28% as the preferred PM. Yes The conservatives are at 37% and The Liberals are at 31%. But this was almost a similar figure when O'Toole's Conservatives were ahead by at least 5 Points over The Liberals:

Poilievre ties Trudeau as Canadians’ preferred prime minister, new polling shows

Research Co. and Glacier Media surveying also found that one in four Canadians say housing, homelessness and poverty is the most important issue facing the country

biv.com

Who is Glacier? I’ve never heard of them.

Ratings of Canadian pollsters | 338Canada

338canada.com

Polls can be off for a variety of reasons. Usually because, the results depend largely on the questions being asked.

 

[Not getting younger]

Every media outlet has an editorial bias. There is no truly neutral and objective one. The most regarded and trusted for lack of bias is the Globe.

The Star and the Sun are ying/yang to each other. Doesn’t mean they aren’t worth reading. I read both simply because it’s often worth having multiple perspectives. And, every now and then both are spot on. When either goes against their editorial bias. There’s trouble.

 

[Not getting younger]

Over the past 4-6 months JTs approval ratings have crashed and burned. In multiple polls by some of the top ( IPSOS, Leger Nanos, Abacus, etc). It’s a virtual train wreck.

The other article which quoted different pollsters posted recently could be the most damning. Because the questions, and results were from demographics that propelled JT to victory in the first place. The shine has most definitely worn off the selfie king amongst those social media junkies. Youth.

While I’m not sure if it still holds true. The conservatives tend to have the greater majority of older more mature voters, those who have lived life, while much of the Liberal base is younger people and women. One might liken it to pragmatist vs idealist.

Take note of this.

Environment and climate change, a top Millennial issue when the Liberals took office, is now rapidly receding into the background. Just 23 per cent of Millennials named “climate change” as one of their top three political issues — the lowest result among any age demographic.

Guess saving the planet isn’t actually the most important thing after all. Whereas self preservation is.

Justin Trudeau hammered by devastating polls just before Parliament set to reconvene

The PM hasn't been this unpopular since early 2020, as Canadians grow frustrated with unaffordable housing and the rising cost of living

nationalpost.com

 

[Frankfooter]

Every media outlet has an editorial bias. There is no truly neutral and objective one. The most regarded and trusted for lack of bias is the Globe.

The Star and the Sun are ying/yang to each other. Doesn’t mean they aren’t worth reading. I read both simply because it’s often worth having multiple perspectives. And, every now and then both are spot on. When either goes against their editorial bias. There’s trouble.

The CBC is the least biased media and comes complete with an ombudsman you can complain to about bias that will actually correct stories.

The Globe is conservative, the Star is conservative and Post Media American conservative.

 

[DesRicardo]

The Latest Polls has The Approval rating for both Trudeau and Pee Pee at 41%.
Both are tied at 28% as the preferred PM. Yes The conservatives are at 37% and The Liberals are at 31%. But this was almost a similar figure when O'Toole's Conservatives were ahead by at least 5 Points over The Liberals:

Poilievre ties Trudeau as Canadians’ preferred prime minister, new polling shows

Research Co. and Glacier Media surveying also found that one in four Canadians say housing, homelessness and poverty is the most important issue facing the country

biv.com

But you have to remember, that was a snap election during a pandemic.

Trudeau took advantage of the situation.

 

[oil&gas]

Pierre only knows how to complain and speak in 30,000ft strategic terms. To this day, I haven't heard the brasstacks or actual actionable solutions. Just rhetoric and bullshit.

If he gets to power, hope he can perform as well as he could talk.

Way back in 2015 Trudeau promised to balance the budget by
2020. And we know by today national debt has been taken to a
level we can only dream of paying it off. Voters don't need to hear
actual solutions to be convinced the conservative party would do
a better job in managing spending.

https://nationalpost.com/news/polit...king-down-on-tax-cheats-departmental-spending


Trudeau also attacked Harper relentlessly on climate change in the 2015
election. Of course we know green house gas emission has been growing
in the last 8 years since the Liberals took power. Voters don't need to be offered
solutions to climate change. They only have to be convinced the conservatives
are not the climate liars Trudeau and his Liberals are.

For the PC party to win against the worst PM in the history
of the nation just focus on Trudeau's record would suffice.

 

[Not getting younger]

I would also add
Inflation ( not all their fault but enough is)
Housing/immigration
Crime ( very noticeable upward trend since 2015)

lets alone scandals, broken promises etc etc. if he wins the next, that says more about the electorate, than it does anything else.

go back 40 years, maybe 30. Was a day incumbents ran on their records. Holding them accountable meant something. Today, why even try to be better if we just let them do X

 

[Knuckle Ball]

It is tough to hold office for as long as JT has. Jacinda Ardern stepped down from office in NZ earlier this year.

We’ll see.

 

[Valcazar]

It is tough to hold office for as long as JT has. Jacinda Ardern stepped down from office in NZ earlier this year.

We’ll see.

It's been a pretty solid pattern for a while now.

Mulroney - 9 years in office. (84-93)
Chretien - 10 years in office (93-2003)
He did extend liberal rule by handing off to Martin, who gets 3 more years.
Harper - 9 years in office (2006 - 2015)
Trudeau - 8 years and counting, looking like he is likely to lose in 2015 (which would be 10 years).

 

[poker]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1700279836462231989

Pierre is crushing it....

Pierre is crushing it. He has to ability to take something like the housing crisis that Doug Ford is fucking up, and trying to profit from (for him and his buddies)…, and somehow made it Trudeau’s fault. All while offering no solutions.

He is very good….

 

[bver_hunter]

This is where Canada will head once Pee Pee implements exactly the same type of policies as the Conservatives have implemented for the past decade:

Poverty in Britain - Why are millions of Brits so broke?
Britain has a historically low unemployment rate of 3.6%. Yet poverty levels are breaking all records. It’s a paradoxical situation: almost 15 million Britons are considered poor these days, although there’s almost full employment. The reason: inflation and high energy costs. Galloping inflation and a dramatic spike in energy costs in recent months are forcing millions of Britons into poverty. Wages fluctuate in an "uberized” working world of precarious employment conditions. Over the past 10 years, beginning with David Cameron, the government has scaled back its support to vulnerable members of society. The result: reduced life expectancy. Disadvantaged Britons are dying 10 years sooner than their wealthier compatriots - victims of what’s become known as the "shit life syndrome” - a life marked by poor living conditions, disease and addiction. The documentary profiles people who have a job but can still afford nothing - from Blackpool in the west, to Ashton-under-Lyne and Cumbria, on the border with Scotland.

So those who think that Pee Pee will solve their housing issues, will only be in for bigger shocks. This is what the cut, cut cut will actually mean to them!!

 

[Frankfooter]

He does these videos from airports frequently. lol. As if Trudeau is the one writing up flight schedules lmao.

Sounds like PeePee wants JT to nationalize Air Canada so he can get it to run on time.

 

[basketcase]

Americans decide who to vote for based simply on which letter is beside their name. Canadians vote parties out simply because they get bored of them.

 

[lomotil]

Can Poilievre pull off a win next election? It looks more likely but if he doesn’t get a majority then no other party will be kingmaker and backstop him as his CPC Alberta based Harper handlers would not allow any compromise. Canada could be in store for a few elections in rapid success and the potential for coalitions or finally a majority vote from a fed up country.
With the current economic woes a generous socialist PM would be most appealing to many Canadians, something that the CPC is not
The blame Trudeau game will get stale very fast for the swing voters that might have gone to the CPC.
Poilievre wisely remains devoid of ideas and full of blame towards Trudeau.
Would a Poilievre PM emulate Harper and not allow his minister to speak to the media and have all correspondence through the PMO as Harper did, probably?
Poilievre may be peaking to soon, he is getting much attention and the scrutiny will start.
Trudeau is splitting and splintering the Liberals as he has done with his marriage and might have to go for a walk even before the snow comes.
Everything old is new again or at least nuanced.