Garbage Strike - Give Me a Break

[Mia.Colpa]

The Teamsters today are a proud democratic union because of the work of "Teamsters for A Democratic Union" of which I was a member.

My lord, do you dream this stuff up or just spew whatever comes out of that mouth of yours. Everyone and their brother knows that the Teamsters today is a much, much weaker organization than they were 15 to 20 years ago. Next thing you're going to say is that UAW won out with the GM and Chrylser restructuring even though the union members accepted a huge paycut.

 

[blackrock13]

In the 5 years I was a member. The Teamsters today are a proud democratic union because of the work of "Teamsters for A Democratic Union" of which I was a member.

Ya, I've seen the proud Teamster at work up close and personally; burning tires on porches of peoples homes, booby trapped rolling stock, scaring children half to death at their schools, and I'm not old enough to be talking about the 40's and 50's. Democracy at it's finest hour.

More BS and bumper sticker comments. Maybe you've been reading it of the bathroom walls at the union hall.

 

[Mrbig1949]

There used to be this firm Canadian Driver Pool that ran scab trucks to break strikes which put them on the wrong side of the Teamsters. They had a headquarters near Cambridge. One night the whole operation burned to the ground, all the trucks with it. That was really sad. BOO HOO.

 

[Mia.Colpa]

There used to be this firm Canadian Driver Pool that ran scab trucks to break strikes which put them on the wrong side of the Teamsters. They had a headquarters near Cambridge. One night the whole operation burned to the ground, all the trucks with it. That was really sad. BOO HOO.

You're really proud of that aren't you? Says a lot about your character and humanity. Sad.

 

[blackrock13]

There used to be this firm Canadian Driver Pool that ran scab trucks to break strikes which put them on the wrong side of the Teamsters. They had a headquarters near Cambridge. One night the whole operation burned to the ground, all the trucks with it. That was really sad. BOO HOO.

... and your point is what? Still no comment on my view of the Teamsters as a shining example of Democracy in action. These are the guys you so proud to be associated with. Nothing like saddling up to the lowest possible entities. arsonist and thugs. Life can be full of accomplishments then. I'm picturing you with a double nags head and wagon wheel tattooed on your left cheek, barely hidden by your thong.

 

[Mrbig1949]

If you are trying to make an omlette..

You're really proud of that aren't you? Says a lot about your character and humanity. Sad.

Sometimes you have to break some eggs.

 

[blackrock13]

Sometimes you have to break some eggs.

Another Union Hall stall scrawl comes to light. Heney Youngman you ain't. I didn't hear anyone mention eggs.

The last time I heard that phrase it was from a gang banger explaining why he beat another man to a pulp. (true story people) He's now doing hard time.

 

[someone]

I hope you guys keep up this exchange for the rest of the night. The more people that read MB’s posts, the more people that are likely to tell their councilor to turn down the agreement. Council rejecting the deal is a long shot, but you never know. Keep up the posts!

 

[blackrock13]

That's a thought but my councilor is in step with the RGG already and I still haven't fed my many cats, fish, and Kauri bird

 

[fuji]

Does anyone know if there is an easy way to find out who has made political donations to a municipal politician?

Let me know if you find out. It would be very interesting.

However union support often comes in the form of man hours which might not appear on the ledger.

If we outlawed donations by property developers and unions we would have a much, much nicer city. Those two are between them responsible for at least 80% of the idiocy at city council.

 

[Mrbig1949]

I believe, my knowledge might be 3 years out of date, that every donation to city council Mayor or trustee over $100 is recorded and held by the city clerk's office.

 

[babyfinsta]

If we outlawed donations by property developers and unions we would have a much, much nicer city. Those two are between them responsible for at least 80% of the idiocy at city council.

lol. capitalism and socialism. yin and yang.

at least we got some nice bronze lego man statues out of it

 

[Mrbig1949]

I would be happy to ban union and corporate contributions to elections as the NDP in Manitoba. The left can easily survive without union contributions, the right at city council would wither on the vine without development money.

 

[train]

I would be happy to ban union and corporate contributions to elections as the NDP in Manitoba. The left can easily survive without union contributions, the right at city council would wither on the vine without development money.

More complete bullshit. Look at what happened federally when limitations were introduced. Are you ever going to say anything that is remotely factually correct ?

 

[someone]

If we outlawed donations by property developers and unions we would have a much, much nicer city. Those two are between them responsible for at least 80% of the idiocy at city council.

Basically I agree with you. However, I also think there is more to the problem than that. With 44 councillors and no system of formal political parties, there is not way for the media to cover all the races. People who work for a living don’t have time to go to all candidates meetings, etc (have you ever been to one? I have been to provincial ones and found them to be a complete waste of time anyway) Thus, money and human resources become particularly important when it come to getting the special interests out to vote, etc. If political parties were introduced, I think that things would really improve. Although the media is not going to cover 44 council races, they would cover the platforms of a handful of political parties. General voters who work 40+ hours a week could become informed of the basic platforms by watching the news and be more likely to vote.

Effectively, the NDP is already organized at the municipal level. I have never understood by the other parties have not done the same.

 

[fuji]

I would be happy to ban union and corporate contributions to elections as the NDP in Manitoba. The left can easily survive without union contributions, the right at city council would wither on the vine without development money.

Amazingly it sounds like we agree on something, although I think the right would do just fine with small donations. At the Federal level interestingly enough it's the right that thrives on grass roots support and the left that is reliant on big donations.

In any case I think both the left and the right would adapt to the new rules and we would all be better off.

 

[sibannac]

Amazingly it sounds like we agree on something, although I think the right would do just fine with small donations. At the Federal level interestingly enough it's the right that thrives on grass roots support and the left that is reliant on big donations.

In any case I think both the left and the right would adapt to the new rules and we would all be better off.

There are strict limits currently being placed on Corporations and Unions however I would like to see them out of the process. The way these entities get around it is to collect personal donations now.

However your proposal only works if elections remain short, subsidized by voters based on vote count riding by riding. The Conservatives tried to hand cuff the other Parties recently because they are tapping into rich oil money, corporations and workers.

In the end I would rather see a voter subsidized election process based on the past election. It would force politicians to expand Party membership and contributions and not have them beholding to outside groups

The 2000 Election Law attempted to heavily restrict 3rd Party contributions, which meant Unions, Corporations or what Americans would call PACs. It was Stephen Harper that brought forward an action to the Supreme Court of Canada that sought to remove some of the tougher sections of the Liberal 2000 Campaign rules:

http://csc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2004/2004scc33/2004scc33.html

We still to this date have no answer to who funded Harper's leadership bid and it is suspected although not proven that Americans provided that money.

Elections in Canada should not turn themselves into the American political marathons. A Government supported funding system need not curtail free speech because in my mind money has no free speech rights. In other words if I have a gizzilian dollars my voice should not be anymore important on election day than the meth head on the street. People arguing that money should play a role in politics tells me that who you are, the job you have, the money you have gives you greater free speech rights in my mind are just wrong.

 

[Mrbig1949]

The Federal level is a little different

Amazingly it sounds like we agree on something, although I think the right would do just fine with small donations. At the Federal level interestingly enough it's the right that thrives on grass roots support and the left that is reliant on big donations.

In any case I think both the left and the right would adapt to the new rules and we would all be better off.

Here it is the Liberals who suffer since they did not adapt to direct mail and internet fundraising solutions unlike either the Tories or the NDP. Ironically it was the Liberals who changed the rules. The Libs tend to suffer because their constituency level support is a mile wide and an inch deep. The smaller Tories and NDP have deeply dedicated supporters with deeper pockets.

 

[sibannac]

Here it is the Liberals who suffer since they did not adapt to direct mail and internet fundraising solutions unlike either the Tories or the NDP. Ironically it was the Liberals who changed the rules. The Libs tend to suffer because their constituency level support is a mile wide and an inch deep. The smaller Tories and NDP have deeply dedicated supporters with deeper pockets.

Liberals are closing this gap in a hurry.

 

[Mrbig1949]

True enough

Liberals are closing this gap in a hurry.

Dion just wasn't a big sell Bugs Bunny would have been an improvement.