Garbage Strike - Give Me a Break

[Mia.Colpa]

MB, are the picketers considered on the job while on strike?Therefore qualify for holiday pay as per the general guideline of needing to be on the job the last scheduled day before a stat holiday and work a set number of days to qualify for holiday pay.

No, not considered on the job during the strike period, therefore won't get paid for the holiday if they don't work the day before, at least in this agreement with CUPE.

 

[opieshuffle]

I didn't ask about rights...

This is recognized by the United Nations and now by the Canadian Constitution under the "Freedom of Association" clause the judges have said this means unions. Various businesses and governments have tried to break them but it will be increasingly difficult with these court decisions. BC Gov't tried to strip a number of provisions from BC gov't workers union, Supreme Court decision, you cannot do that.

...I said "need". Were they treated badly in the 60s and saw the need to stop the oppression against garbage workers? Was a public sector job on par with working in a sweat shop?

My issue isn't a pro-union vs anti-union...it's about services I pay for being withheld when I continue to pay my taxes with no recourse other than NOT voting for Miller. No unions (or ANY ORGANISATION) in public sector jobs without the ability to re-evaluate contracts and terminate service if a better contract from another sector is proposed. No more monopolies. I want value for my taxes.

Op

PS...when do we as the public get to start grading teachers in the pubic system? Discuss...

 

[blackrock13]

MC;

Thanks. the little voice inside my head is saying 'there is a god'.

The cleanup is supposed to be completed by Sunday, so no 2.5x for working Monday.

Just catching His Whiteness on the tele, he's some bit miffed at his RGG councillors, calling THEM irresponsible. He's also modified his wordage regarding banked days from 'eliminating' to 'addressing'. Again he's got the numbers in council and it's not even close. It'll pass.

We've settled but did the city settle on plan B,C or D. It certainly wasn't A

There's a poll on CP24 that shows the feeling that the city gave away too much by a factor of 4;

64/16/10/11 %

There's a sense he's dodged a bullet and he knows it. It's just not clear who's shooting.

 

[someone]

I got an auto-reply from my councillor saying that due to the strike their staff have been reassigned to other duties and as a result they won't be responding to email in a timely fashion.

How ironic.

So now what, phone them? I am betting I will get a voicemail telling me the same thing.

I got the same auto reply which makes me think the guy must be one of the NDP idiots not crossing the pick lines as it even said that meetings could not be arranged during the strike. Some people on the Globe comments sections have posted replies they did get, so I think the non NDPers are replying. To me the auto reply says that we know who NOT to vote for in the next election. After I got the auto reply I forwarded the email to miller just for the hell of it. I got a ridiculous replay (I did not expect much more). Later, I will send a more sarcastic response to the letter I got from the Mayors office.

 

[opieshuffle]

I got a reply...

...from my member of council addressing the needs of his constituents, who, according to his e-mail, overwhelmingly asked him to turn down the deal, and that he would be voting "NO". I'd like to check somewhere if this is public record or not.

Thanks to whoever suggested writing our council members. I did, got a reply and will now continue to stay up-to-date with this person.

OP

 

[fuji]

So I'm guessing the ones who send out the lame auto-reply about how they are too short staffed due to the strike are planning on voting "yes" and are hoping to hide from the public for awhile hoping it will all blow over.

 

[someone]

Does anyone know if there is an easy way to find out who has made political donations to a municipal politician? I have read news reports on donors to federal candidates and I think there must also be similar disclosure laws for municipal politicians. I would be very curious to find out which politicians have been bought and paid for and for how much (although I realized that some of the union support would come from less obvious sources like providing volunteers etc. that may not be disclosed).

Edit: On an unrelated note:I just came across the following. It definitely sounds like the union threatenned physical violence against those that crossed the picket line if the law was enforced. If that is not extortion, what is it?

“By Katie Hewitt
Mark Ferguson’s voice was heard above hundreds as CUPE Local 416 workers cheered, muffling his speech at an information and voting session held at the Ontario Ministry of Labour on Thursday, to which media was not invited.
Mr. Ferguson, Local 416 president, was telling union members exactly what they wanted to hear.
“The City wanted to terminate and prosecute those few who got a little excited on the picket lines. We made sure of amnesty for everybody involved. What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas!” he said, fist in air, to resounding applause.
Mr. Ferguson’s sin city slogan made reference to the amnesty clause, one stipulation in a controversial back-to-work protocol that held up ratification votes for 416 workers and dragged negotiations on until late Wednesday night.
In exchange for City-sanctioned amnesty, the union made what Mr. Ferguson called “the difficult decision” not to punish what the union calls “scabs” -- unionized workers who crossed picket lines during the strike.”
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/...vegas-stays-in-vegas-local-416-boss-says.aspx

 

[Mrbig1949]

The best way to deal with scabs is simply to keep publishing their names in union memos for about 6 months during and after the strike. The rest takes care of itself.

 

[JohnLarue]

The best way to deal with scabs is simply to keep publishing their names in union memos for about 6 months during and after the strike. The rest takes care of itself.

I guess you need to keep your gangster skills sharp by intimidating this group until your blackmail techniques are required for management or the public.

Is there no limit to how despicable and reprehensible union behavior can get?

And you expect to get public support with rhetoric, intimidation, betrayal of younger members and blackmail as your primary methods of achieving your goals?

 

[blackrock13]

The best way to deal with scabs is simply to keep publishing their names in union memos for about 6 months during and after the strike. The rest takes care of itself.

The request from the city was weak at best and very naive as there will be no way verify any reprisals short of he said/he said reports and we know how well those go. Usually assaults and such are forgiven, with a few exceptions and in my mind thats just wrong. It may be habit/convention but it's just wrong and lets the wingnuts rev up the next time around with a sense of being untouchable, something bad really happens, the union says, 'Ooops we're sorry' and someone gets hurt or worse; but it's too late.

MB;

You really do show how much of a heartless bastard you can be when you mouth off like that. There's a side of me that hopes some day you are the target of open hatred like that and then you'll see what it is you're really advocating here. Chances are you won't be because most people in the country don't countenance that kind of shit.

 

[Mia.Colpa]

...from my member of council addressing the needs of his constituents, who, according to his e-mail, overwhelmingly asked him to turn down the deal, and that he would be voting "NO". I'd like to check somewhere if this is public record or not.

The problem with politics is politicians tell you what you want to hear to your face but then do an about face when it comes to the vote on numerous occassions. You simply can't trust them. Yes, the vote will be on public record and we will able to tell who voted yes or no.

 

[Mrbig1949]

Ahh the old days of breaking legs are over..

I guess you need to keep your gangster skills sharp by intimidating this group until your blackmail techniques are required for management or the public.

Is there no limit to how despicable and reprehensible union behavior can get?

And you expect to get public support with rhetoric, intimidation, betrayal of younger members and blackmail as your primary methods of achieving your goals?

All we have are the memories. It is enough that these scabs are thought of as traitors by the vast majority of decent unionists.

 

[Mrbig1949]

You are right

The problem with politics is politicians tell you what you want to hear to your face but then do an about face when it comes to the vote on numerous occassions. You simply can't trust them. Yes, the vote will be on public record and we will able to tell who voted yes or no.

Someone is always dragging politics into politics, I tend to call it democracy.

 

[Mrbig1949]

Scabs are scum....

The request from the city was weak at best and very naive as there will be no way verify any reprisals short of he said/he said reports and we know how well those go. Usually assaults and such are forgiven, with a few exceptions and in my mind thats just wrong. It may be habit/convention but it's just wrong and lets the wingnuts rev up the next time around with a sense of being untouchable, something bad really happens, the union says, 'Ooops we're sorry' and someone gets hurt or worse; but it's too late.

MB;

You really do show how much of a heartless bastard you can be when you mouth off like that. There's a side of me that hopes some day you are the target of open hatred like that and then you'll see what it is you're really advocating here. Chances are you won't be because most people in the country don't countenance that kind of shit.

Everybody knows that. It is enough that they are outed and treated as traitors by the sisters and brothers.

 

[blackrock13]

Everybody knows what? That you're a heartless bastard.

Something to be really proud of now. Your glib comments just put your Neanderthal mentality in the forefront and overshadow any worthwhile points you did make.

Unfortunately sir, when something does go down, you'll simply say I didn't tell them to do it, throw up your hands shake your head, brush off the ashes from your hair shirt and retreat into your cave.

Somebody put forth the idea that you're just flapping your jaw bone to throw dirt around and really don't care what's said. You really just want attention. Hmmmmm!!!

I'm beginning to wonder how much of what you say IS just BS based on bumper sticker, pamphlets, and beer hall bravado

 

[Mia.Colpa]

I'm beginning to wonder how much of what you say IS just BS based on bumper sticker, pamphlets, and beer hall bravado

Actually it's based on the Hoffa school of union propoganda.

 

[Mrbig1949]

You need to be INSIDE the union movement...

Everybody knows what? That you're a heartless bastard.

Something to be really proud of now. Your glib comments just put your Neanderthal mentality in the forefront and overshadow any worthwhile points you did make.

Unfortunately sir, when something does go down, you'll simply say I didn't tell them to do it, throw up your hands shake your head, brush off the ashes from your hair shirt and retreat into your cave.

Somebody put forth the idea that you're just flapping your jaw bone to throw dirt around and really don't care what's said. You really just want attention. Hmmmmm!!!

I'm beginning to wonder how much of what you say IS just BS based on bumper sticker, pamphlets, and beer hall bravado

Where this view of scabs is unnanimous. Surely you believe in accountability, surely the sisters and brothers need to know the names of the traitors in their midst who of course will stick out their hand to collect the raise that they refused to fight for as if they should get it as well.

In my world if you don't strike and stay on strike, you don't get the raise. Simple justice. Your name in a bulletin? They are getting off light. One of the proudest moments in my life was having the honour to read the scab list to a union hall 2% of the members, as each name was roundly booed.

 

[blackrock13]

Actually it's based on the Hoffa school of union propoganda.

... and look what it got him.

 

[Mrbig1949]

It so happens that I fought against Hoffaism in the Teamsters

... and look what it got him.

In the 5 years I was a member. The Teamsters today are a proud democratic union because of the work of "Teamsters for A Democratic Union" of which I was a member.

 

[blackrock13]

One of the proudest moments in my life was having the honour to read the scab list to a union hall 2% of the members, as each name was roundly booed.

Didn't shine much in your life.

Did you wear your brown shirt and demand that everyone one of them wear funny hats on their heads and badges on their sleeves.