Garbage Strike - Give Me a Break
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If that's the case, then the only other contribution to this BB he can make with any credibility is his deep penetrating research on asian Sps. but even that may be in question.
Hey BW, how about this prognostication you made a month ago.buckwheat1 said:Province will order them back 2 work in 3 weeks and it'll go before a labour arbitrator. The arbitrator will never take those sick days away but may make a decision on wage increases, but he'll look at what the city has given to othere employees in the last year and it's around 3% a year
How'd you do on this one?
Wrong again dufus
Of course unions don't legislate we all know that, they are among the first to agitate for these reforms. J S Woodworth pictured there was a member of the Independent Labour Party, the union party before the CCF was created, the lobby for these reforms every year while they spred the word among their troops, this is how it is done. People like to claim individuals like Bismark for pensions or Ryerson for Canadian public education "created" these thing but they are nothing but individuals thrown forward by great historical movements. I know you don't like these facts but these ideas originate in the labour movement, the geminate there, the unions agitate for them for decades and then when the time is right to "get the workingman's vote" politicians legislate these reforms. I don't make things up my friend. Just like "the weekend" these matters have deep historical evidence. The workers of Ontario through their union had an annual "audience" the cap-n-hand ceremony it was know as where the unions laid out their wishes. Public education was always the top of their list until Ryerson took up the cause.train said:Oh so now the labour movement is responsible for public schools are they. Next you will claim the invention of post-it notes. The labour movement participated in the creation of medicare but was not the initiator nor the driving force.
Unions had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of pensions. Please read:
http://www.civilization.ca/cmc/exhibitions/hist/pensions/cpp-m1915_e.shtml
The same is true about EI - no union involvement, please read the following-
http://www.canadianeconomy.gc.ca/english/economy/1941ui.html
Time after time its been demonstrated that you just simply make things up.
Similar to many current big labour fractured facts used to market the brand.
What is that suppose to mean?
You have a problem?blackrock13 said:If that's the case, then the only other contribution to this BB he can make with any credibility is his deep penetrating research on asian Sps. but even that may be in question.
I still think they did fairly well I'd like to see them all cash out on there sick days and see what they city folks would say then. One thing that saved the city was the lack of heat like 30+ degree weather. I have said all along just grandfather the sick days, there would of been NO strike
Kind of the same as if a million monkey sat at a million typewriters, it is possible someday they will eventually type something that makes sense.Mrbig1949 said:Of course unions don't legislate we all know that, they are among the first to agitate for these reforms. J S Woodworth pictured there was a member of the Independent Labour Party, the union party before the CCF was created, the lobby for these reforms every year while they spred the word among their troops, this is how it is done. People like to claim individuals like Bismark for pensions or Ryerson for Canadian public education "created" these thing but they are nothing but individuals thrown forward by great historical movements. I know you don't like these facts but these ideas originate in the labour movement, the geminate there, the unions agitate for them for decades and then when the time is right to "get the workingman's vote" politicians legislate these reforms. I don't make things up my friend. Just like "the weekend" these matters have deep historical evidence. The workers of Ontario through their union had an annual "audience" the cap-n-hand ceremony it was know as where the unions laid out their wishes. Public education was always the top of their list until Ryerson took up the cause.
Hmmm!!! A million union members sitting on a million bar stools in the union halls may come up with a reasonable idea someday.
Others flesh it out and bring it into being BUT unions thought of it first, so they gave it to us.
I guess this is your way of saying I was right (again).
I'm getting tired of this thread, no matter what I prove to you guys, your preconceived notions and anti-worker bias' kind of mean you are stuck on your own there.
blackrock13 said:Kind of the same as if a million monkey sat at a million typewriters, it is possible someday they will eventually type something that makes sense.
Hmmm!!! A million union members sitting on a million bar stools in the union halls may come up with a reasonable idea someday.
Others flesh it out and bring it into being BUT unions thought of it first, so they gave it to us.
I'm getting tired of this thread, no matter what I prove to you guys, your preconceived notions and anti-worker bias' kind of mean you are stuck on your own there.
Just like the accusation that I'm anti-union, that I hope I put to sleep by now, this being anti-worker is another baseless accusation. I'm just against this union ,this strike, and this local; yah, I know there's two of them.Mrbig1949 said:I'm getting tired of this thread, no matter what I prove to you guys, your preconceived notions and anti-worker bias' kind of mean you are stuck on your own there.
In my business, I'm sometimes the boss and sometimes the worker, so you gotta play nice.
Just caught the councillor Ford interview and said the vote may not be ratified on by the city nor the union level. He also pointed out that the NDPers on the council out numbers the others 2:1, so the chances are that these bootlickers will follow Millers lead.
He has his flaws, but I tend to like what he says. I don't always agree with him, but he does make you think. Kind of a one man rat pack at the city level.
He says he doesn't like it because all the city workers aren't treated the same. Different members, union or not are getting different deals.
Oh, almost forgot, MB, bye!
Mrbig1949 said:I'm winning this debate by a mile. its not even close.
Winning a debate is subjective at best
But it certainly does not boil down to the one who talks the loudest or most often.
Generally it is the one who makes the most relevant convincing and believable argument.
So much of what you have posted on this subject is just too outrageous to be relevant, convincing, believable or taken seriously
I can see how you worked. Its a constant barrage of slogans, inaccuracies and exaggerations.
At a bargaining table you would not listen to an opposing point of view and would stick to your view no matter what & then defer to blackmail.
Compromise? What the fuck is that?
Typical arrogant union approach
In a forum like this the real judge is how many response you get from different people who disagree with your point of view.
If it was a boxing match it would have stopped a long time ago & the doctor would be checking you for brain activity.
(Just as a precaution, perhaps you should have this test done anyways)
"You winning this debate." Thats the second most ridiculous thing you said
Originally Posted by blackrock13
Kind of the same as if a million monkey sat at a million typewriters, it is possible someday they will eventually type something that makes sense.
Hmmm!!! A million union members sitting on a million bar stools in the union halls may come up with a reasonable idea someday.
Others flesh it out and bring it into being BUT unions thought of it first, so they gave it to us.
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MB;
You're the only person I know who could read this and see it as anything but an insult to the mentality and ability of some union members.
Keep digging.
Kind of the same as if a million monkey sat at a million typewriters, it is possible someday they will eventually type something that makes sense.
Hmmm!!! A million union members sitting on a million bar stools in the union halls may come up with a reasonable idea someday.
Others flesh it out and bring it into being BUT unions thought of it first, so they gave it to us.
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MB;
You're the only person I know who could read this and see it as anything but an insult to the mentality and ability of some union members.
Keep digging.
i was wondering..
was wondering if the strike is really over. I was thinking that the union has to review the paperwork drawn by the city, and just like last week when the Union announced it was all in the city's hands now, the City can now blame the union for not signing off on the contract!!
was wondering if the strike is really over. I was thinking that the union has to review the paperwork drawn by the city, and just like last week when the Union announced it was all in the city's hands now, the City can now blame the union for not signing off on the contract!!
It's all in the air. The city know it did alright, isn't in a hurry to ratify, and the union reps/members kind of know it. The union locals are out of sync on a number of points and it weakens their position. Now their trying to rattle their chains and cause a fuss. So much for solidarity for all. How does that melody go?
OH WEE OH, WEEEE OH! No that's not it.
Who knows now where it's going from here?
OH WEE OH, WEEEE OH! No that's not it.
Who knows now where it's going from here?
Holy crap you believe all that UNION crap. The origin of the weekend being timeoff DID NOT ORIGINATE FORM THE UNION.Mrbig1949 said:You think I made this up the 2 day weekend was negotiated as a union priority to get to the 40 hr week, no matter what sabbeth was taken at no time were both commonly given until lobbied for a negotiated by Labour. That is both, at once dufus
www.americanprogress.org/issues/2004/06/b99064.html
Yahweh gave us the sabbeth but unions brought us the weekend.
Could you carefully shove this one up your ass Don
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workweek
The ancient sabbath is the origin of the present-day practice of "the weekend," Saturday and Sunday in Western countries, in which most employees usually do not have to go to work. Whereas the sabbath itself was just one day each week, the preceding day also came to be taken off, because it was considered necessary to do preparatory tasks at home that would permit proper sabbath observance the next day, i.e., cessation from work.
Believe the spin if you will but religious observance of BOTH DAYS has been around LONG BEFORE UNIONS! Where do you think the UNION came up with those days? Out of a hat? You think JUST FOR A SEC that MAYBE those days already had some significance to it already before the unions said so it shall be written so it shall be done??? And maybe those union folks had a clue to realize this but you don't!
Working Saturdays was common in Canadian factories until
The late 40s and early 50s when unrelenting union pressure created an environment where most contracts negotiated the famous 40 hour week, Monday to Friday, hence the unions created the weekend for most workers.Don said:Holy crap you believe all that UNION crap. The origin of the weekend being timeoff DID NOT ORIGINATE FORM THE UNION.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workweek
The ancient sabbath is the origin of the present-day practice of "the weekend," Saturday and Sunday in Western countries, in which most employees usually do not have to go to work. Whereas the sabbath itself was just one day each week, the preceding day also came to be taken off, because it was considered necessary to do preparatory tasks at home that would permit proper sabbath observance the next day, i.e., cessation from work.
Believe the spin if you will but religious observance of BOTH DAYS has been around LONG BEFORE UNIONS! Where do you think the UNION came up with those days? Out of a hat? You think JUST FOR A SEC that MAYBE those days already had some significance to it already before the unions said so it shall be written so it shall be done??? And maybe those union folks had a clue to realize this but you don't!
Oh that's a relief. I thought he was going to bring back that pyramid builders union crap again.Mrbig1949 said:The late 40s and early 50s when unrelenting union pressure created an environment where most contracts negotiated the famous 40 hour week, Monday to Friday, hence the unions created the weekend for most workers.
You're not listening to my point. Go say that the union was responsible for a work environment where it was legislated that weekends are off. But don't say the weekend was created because of unions. People were taking those days off (observing) because of religious/cultural reasons that existed. In many muslim countries, there is a "weekend" where people are off from work for two days (usually thursday and friday or friday and saturday), not because the unions in those countries but because of observance of friday prayers.Mrbig1949 said:The late 40s and early 50s when unrelenting union pressure created an environment where most contracts negotiated the famous 40 hour week, Monday to Friday, hence the unions created the weekend for most workers.
Don;
Don't take it personally. I'm not quite sure if he's wearing blinkers or a blindfold. He tends to ignore and move right past things he can't put forth a good counter to. Mind you, to para phrase; don't let facts get in the way of a good argument.
I'm still waiting fro a response regarding the 24/7 economy and all the time shifting of business that goes with it.
From my point I work when there's work to be done and take time off when there's time to take off. no weekends in my life. i doubt I'm lone in that. People work all sorts of different work schedules because of this 24/7 world. A weekend of Saturday and Sunday off is an old outdated concept. Not really that relevant in todays economies .... kind of like a union; passé.
Don't take it personally. I'm not quite sure if he's wearing blinkers or a blindfold. He tends to ignore and move right past things he can't put forth a good counter to. Mind you, to para phrase; don't let facts get in the way of a good argument.
I'm still waiting fro a response regarding the 24/7 economy and all the time shifting of business that goes with it.
From my point I work when there's work to be done and take time off when there's time to take off. no weekends in my life. i doubt I'm lone in that. People work all sorts of different work schedules because of this 24/7 world. A weekend of Saturday and Sunday off is an old outdated concept. Not really that relevant in todays economies .... kind of like a union; passé.
You are right about this (shocked)
Let me say ou are increasingly right about this. More workers will gradually be in this position as time goes by as well. Too bad it plays havoc with family schedules though.blackrock13 said:Don;
Don't take it personally. I'm not quite sure if he's wearing blinkers or a blindfold. He tends to ignore and move right past things he can't put forth a good counter to. Mind you, to para phrase; don't let facts get in the way of a good argument.
I'm still waiting fro a response regarding the 24/7 economy and all the time shifting of business that goes with it.
From my point I work when there's work to be done and take time off when there's time to take off. no weekends in my life. i doubt I'm lone in that. People work all sorts of different work schedules because of this 24/7 world. A weekend of Saturday and Sunday off is an old outdated concept. Not really that relevant in todays economies .... kind of like a union; passé.
