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Carrie Moon

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tboy said:
Carrie?

Did you MISS this part of my post? I think you did.....

"Not saying she actually did this...."

I was using the situation in question to show an example of what a "test" could be....to Player who was mentioning that he didn't use the right words.......
I know.. but for once.. how about saying.. what if she did this??? ie. give her the benefit of the doubt.. seeing as that's a possible scenario as well...

and damn!!! twobigo.. How are ya?? long freakin'time no see.
 

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Carrie Moon said:
I know.. but for once.. how about saying.. what if she did this??? ie. give her the benefit of the doubt.. seeing as that's a possible scenario as well...
That's my point. I HAVE given her the benefit of the doubt on numerous occasions. However, she continues to do nothing in terms of reciprocation that would give me the idea that she's even interested anymore. E.g. She told me about one guy who didn't get the message that she didn't like him. She told me it was odd since she made it crystal clear to him it was a "no go" so that there would be no confusion.

Of course, when I brought up the idea that she appears to be disinterested in me, she denies it and says stuff like oh, we should go out again, hope to hear from you etc.. If that isn't playing games or at least sending mixed signals, I don't know what is!
 

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JohnFK said:
Something's holding her back. She still is not sure. So don't push it. Be creative and find something that would be very cool for her to do or see with you.

Like Captain Fantastic was saying, don't sound like you're trying so hard or methodical (he called it pedantic).

Just go out and have fun!
Good advice. For the record, I haven't talked to her in over a week. I'm just going to chill until she reads the e-mail. Then, it will be up to her about how she chooses to respond, if at all. We'll take it from there.
 

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drlove said:
Of course, when I brought up the idea that she appears to be disinterested in me, she denies it and says stuff like oh, we should go out again, hope to hear from you etc.. If that isn't playing games or at least sending mixed signals, I don't know what is!
yup.. agreed.. can be mixed signals.. even call it game playing.. I think many of us were just reacting to the 'fucked over' type of response.. way overkill.. just move on hun. Life is short enough already without this being a struggle. Spending time with someone and the getting to know one another is supposed to be fun :)
 

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drlove said:
That's my point. I HAVE given her the benefit of the doubt on numerous occasions. However, she continues to do nothing in terms of reciprocation that would give me the idea that she's even interested anymore. E.g. She told me about one guy who didn't get the message that she didn't like him. She told me it was odd since she made it crystal clear to him it was a "no go" so that there would be no confusion.

Of course, when I brought up the idea that she appears to be disinterested in me, she denies it and says stuff like oh, we should go out again, hope to hear from you etc.. If that isn't playing games or at least sending mixed signals, I don't know what is!
I'm not going to try to speculate about what is going on in this woman's head, but if I were in her shoes, and some guy I've met online and been on a couple of dates with was pulling the kind of stuff you are pulling, expecting me to define our 'relationship' (what relationship???) and being high maintenance like you seem to be, I would certainly be seriously reconsidering my initial interest after that.

Anybody who needs me after a few weeks of meeting me and a couple dates to explain to them that I have a life and that it will take a little more than a few dates for them to move up to priority #1 in my life will most likely not be part of said life for very long.

And it has nothing to do with playing games or 'testing' my potential partners. It's called being a self-actualized adult who expects other people I interact with to be self-actualized adults who don't need my constant approval and reassurance, and who will give me the benefit of the doubt that I'm not out to get them.
 

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genintoronto said:
I'm not going to try to speculate about what is going on in this woman's head, but if I were in her shoes, and some guy I've met online and been on a couple of dates with was pulling the kind of stuff you are pulling, expecting me to define our 'relationship' (what relationship???) and being high maintenance like you seem to be, I would certainly be seriously reconsidering my initial interest after that.

Anybody who needs me after a few weeks of meeting me and a couple dates to explain to them that I have a life and that it will take a little more than a few dates for them to move up to priority #1 in my life will most likely not be part of said life for very long.

And it has nothing to do with playing games or 'testing' my potential partners. It's called being a self-actualized adult who expects other people I interact with to be self-actualized adults who don't need my constant approval and reassurance, and who will give me the benefit of the doubt that I'm not out to get them.
I think that we've seen time and again there are a dearth of truly self-actualized adults on TERB. ;)

An aside: Yay! Now someone else is using that phrase! Self-actualized comrades in arms... um, TERB... unite!
 

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Carrie Moon said:
I think many of us were just reacting to the 'fucked over' type of response.. way overkill..
You're right. I was ticked off when I wrote it, hence the over reaction. Although, it sure got everyone talking, didn't it? :D
 

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genintoronto said:
...expecting me to define our 'relationship'...
You're wrong. I never used the term 'relationship' in my conversations with her. I simply stated that I wanted to get a clearer idea of what it is that she's looking for, be it dating very casually/infrequently, FWB, was she looking to develop a potentially LTR at some point, or was she not sure of what she wants, and just looking to play the field for the time being. I just put all the options on the table, so to speak.
 

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i only got involved with this thread to say hello to my buddy Carrie Moon..and i usually don,t post in the "advice to the lovelorn" threads on this site, so im no expert but Dr Love seems to be the "needy" type that most women steer clear of..jmo..
 

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drlove said:
You're wrong. I never used the term 'relationship' in my conversations with her. I simply stated that I wanted to get a clearer idea of what it is that she's looking for, be it dating very casually/infrequently, FWB, was she looking to develop a potentially LTR at some point, or was she not sure of what she wants, and just looking to play the field for the time being. I just put all the options on the table, so to speak.
Who does this after two dates? :rolleyes:
 

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a 1 players relationship advice

I know I have always said what is good for the man is good for the woman, but there is one exception.

ALWAYS let the woman bring up the question of relationship status.
 

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Captain Fantastic said:
Who does this after two dates? :rolleyes:
Well, ,she really wasn't giving me any choice. If she was interested in dating casually, say it... don't make me play the guessing game. I want to know where I stand so that I don't end up wasting my time in pursuing something that isn't there.
 

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drlove said:
Well, ,she really wasn't giving me any choice. If she was interested in dating casually, say it... don't make me play the guessing game. I want to know where I stand so that I don't end up wasting my time in pursuing something that isn't there.
It was two fucking dates! Are you for real? Seriously, have you never just dated before? Forget pedantic, you're just anal. Lighten the fuck up.
 
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drlove said:
You're wrong. I never used the term 'relationship' in my conversations with her. I simply stated that I wanted to get a clearer idea of what it is that she's looking for, be it dating very casually/infrequently, FWB, was she looking to develop a potentially LTR at some point, or was she not sure of what she wants, and just looking to play the field for the time being. I just put all the options on the table, so to speak.
For fuck sake. Who ask for this kind of clarification after TWO DATES???

She may be open to the possibility of any of the above type of relationships, but how is she supposed to know whether she is interested in any one of them WITH YOU? She doesn't KNOW YOU yet, because you've only been on TWO DATES together. You can't ask someone to tell you whether they may be interested in a committed or fuck body or wahtever type of relationship with you before they've spend enough time with you to know if they want to go there with you. And since it doesn't seem to be obvious to you, this takes more than TWO DATES to figure out.

Until then, you are casually dating.

If you had spent those two dates with me though, and asking for that sort of clarification already, we wouldn't be dating anymore. Because you seem to lack basic understanding of the normal course of development of human relationships.
 

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genintoronto said:
For fuck sake. Who ask for this kind of clarification after TWO DATES???

She may be open to the possibility of any of the above type of relationships, but how is she supposed to know whether she is interested in any one of them WITH YOU? She doesn't KNOW YOU yet, because you've only been on TWO DATES together. You can't ask someone to tell you whether they may be interested in a committed or fuck body or wahtever type of relationship with you before they've spend enough time with you to know if they want to go there with you. And since it doesn't seem to be obvious to you, this takes more than TWO DATES to figure out.

Until then, you are casually dating.

If you had spent those two dates with me though, and asking for that sort of clarification already, we wouldn't be dating anymore. Because you seem to lack basic understanding of the normal course of development of human relationships.
So Gen, how do you 'really' feel about this?:rolleyes:
 

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genintoronto said:
you've only been on TWO DATES together.
My point exactly. You'd think that if she was really interested she'd be making more of an effort here. I'm used to women calling me on a regular basis when we're dating, especially in the beginning stages when you're trying to get to know one another.
 

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drlove said:
My point exactly. You'd think that if she was really interested she'd be making more of an effort here. I'm used to women calling me on a regular basis when we're dating, especially in the beginning stages when you're trying to get to know one another.

This is your problem.

You are not dating after 2 dates.

You need to get past that part of acceptance first before you can understand what most of us are trying to explain to you.
 

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drlove said:
My point exactly. You'd think that if she was really interested she'd be making more of an effort here. I'm used to women calling me on a regular basis when we're dating, especially in the beginning stages when you're trying to get to know one another.
You had two job interviews to see if you qualify for dating.
 
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