Holocaust deniers.

[solitaria]

Much of what you are saying took place in circa 1944, when yes, the Nazi leaders saw the end was near for them. The chambers were built before then, there are no documents from the Nazi's that say they are going to gas the Jews. Remember these are the same people, who openly stated that they rid all of Germany and German occupied lands of the Jews. If their going to so blatanly state this, why would they refrain, or keep this gassing all hush hush?? It dosn't make sense to me.

Let me get this straight. You concede that these people openly stated that they would rid all of Germany and German occupied lands of Jews but then you question whether the gas chambers were actually used for extermination over delousing when Jews were being shipped there? Ah yes the Nazis stood for hated against the Jews but they wanted to make sure the Jews would be disease free. Surely you jest. It also begs the question of why the Allies didn't use gas chambers for the same purposes if all they were for was delousing.

PS - They can tell from the chemical compositions of the walls what the purpose of the gas chambers always were from the time the design was implemented.

 

[Asterix]

Yes, they clearly stated that. Would they have gone to the USA, or just stop at German territories, that I don't know. But I will concede that if they conquered Europe, who's to say that they would stop there.

Good. Then we agree there was motive and intent, physical implementation of that intent, a nearly successful completion of the crime, and a clear indication that if allowed, the crime would have continued until the end. Again, beyond the technicalities, what is there to debate?

 

[solitaria]

Much of what you are saying took place in circa 1944, when yes, the Nazi leaders saw the end was near for them. The chambers were built before then, there are no documents from the Nazi's that say they are going to gas the Jews. Remember these are the same people, who openly stated that they rid all of Germany and German occupied lands of the Jews. If their going to so blatanly state this, why would they refrain, or keep this gassing all hush hush?? It dosn't make sense to me.

Again would you walk into a gas chamber willingly? It is better not to state your intent to a bunch of people who outnumber your guys with guns what they are walking into, is it not?

 

[handsome sugardaddy]

Let me get this straight. You concede that these people openly stated that they would rid all of Germany and German occupied lands of Jews but then you question whether the gas chambers were actually used for extermination over delousing when Jews were being shipped there? Ah yes the Nazis stood for hated against the Jews but they wanted to make sure the Jews would be disease free. Surely you jest. It also begs the question of why the Allies didn't use gas chambers for the same purposes if all they were for was delousing.

PS - They can tell from the chemical compositions of the walls what the purpose of the gas chambers always were from the time the design was implemented.

They had a need for the Jews, they were labourers for them. They needed them. That is why they needed to keep the camps free of disease.

Now, I asked you to answer a question for me. What happened to the children at the camps?? The young ones, that could not be used for labour purposes.

 

[handsome sugardaddy]

Good. Then we agree there was motive and intent, physical implementation of that intent, a nearly successful completion of the crime, and a clear indication that if allowed, the crime would have continued until the end. Again, beyond the technicalities, what is there to debate?

The technicalities. I search for the truth. Don't go around preaching that they died in gas chambers, if you cannot prove it. Say that they disappeared while in the custody of the Nazi's, and I have no issue with that.

 

[Asterix]

They had a need for the Jews, they were labourers for them. They needed them. That is why they needed to keep the camps free of disease.

They had many reasons for doing this. First any rampant disease would also put themselves at risk. Secondly, to bring new arrivals into a scene of chaos would make controlling the situation near impossible. It was far easier to kill people if they were not overly alerted to their fate. Much the same tactics can be found in cows being killed in slaughterhouses. Third, as I pointed out previously, trying to kill people in a tightly enclosed environment by disease is a very messy and disgusting task. It is far easier to get people to kill others, if it can be made to be routine and antiseptic. The Nazis proved this by extensive tests in their euthanasia campaign against the infirm and "defective" in the 1930's, and made careful note on how best to limit the stress on those individuals doing the killing.

 

[Asterix]

The technicalities. I search for the truth. Don't go around preaching that they died in gas chambers, if you cannot prove it. Say that they disappeared while in the custody of the Nazi's, and I have no issue with that.

I do believe many died in gas chambers. Did I see it or have absolute proof? No. How does this change the enormity of the crime based on the questions I have posed, and that you have agreed to?

 

[handsome sugardaddy]

I do believe many died in gas chambers. Did I see it or have absolute proof? No. How does this change the enormity of the crime based on the questions I have posed, and that you have agreed to?

It dosn't change anything at all. I just am trying to get a accurate account of the events that took place.

No denying here........Hitler given his way, would have eliminated all the Jews. That is plain as day. Hitler admits it himself, well before he became elected.

 

[pussygalore]

Albert Speer (Minister of Armaments and War Production and a friend of Hitler as he had an architectural background) in his memoirs written in Spandau prison but published after his release "Inside the Third Reich" at page375 talks of a meeting he had with a friend Karl Frank who was a senior officer in the army and who had openly discussed death in the French and other campaigns with Speer in the past but in Summer 1944 told Speer never to accept an invitation to visit a concentration camp in an agitated state. Frank said "he had seen something he was not permitted to describe and moreover could not describe."

Speer in his memoirs states he never asked Hitler, Himmler or his friends or Hanke about this further or make any further investigationas he did not want to know but assumed Hanke was referring to Auschwitz.
It is a see no evil concept and Speer takes responsibility for willful blindness in his memoirs.

 

[handsome sugardaddy]

Albert Speer (Minister of Armaments and War Production and a friend of Hitler as he had an architectural background) in his memoirs written in Spandau prison but published after his release "Inside the Third Reich" at page375 talks of a meeting he had with a friend Karl Frank who was a senior officer in the army and who had openly discussed death in the French and other campaigns with Speer in the past but in Summer 1944 told Speer never to accept an invitation to visit a concentration camp in an agitated state. Frank said "he had seen something he was not permitted to describe and moreover could not describe."

Speer in his memoirs states he never asked Hitler, Himmler or his friends or Hanke about this further or make any further investigationas he did not want to know but assumed Hanke was referring to Auschwitz.
It is a see no evil concept and Speer takes responsibility for willful blindness in his memoirs.

Perhaps it was a million bodies that were shot in the head. Still horrible, but I seek the truth. I don't know what is the truth, but I'm not convinced it was gassing.

 

[zaig]

Hey Sugar Daddy, now I understand. Since you have latent homosexual tendencies, and you can't find anyone to play with, you come on hear hoping to really piss people off so you can tell them to suck your dick. I only have one wish now and that is to transport you back in time to Auschwitz 1944, and no not make you go into the gas chamber, but to be a kapo, the ones who had to remove all the corpses from the chambers after everyone was dead. Then and only then would you finally concede to know the truth.
THE TRUTH IS THERE TO SEE WITH OPEN EYES. Debating you on this issue is absolutely absurd. Personally, I am quite thankful I live 3,000 miles away from someone like you. You sir need to get a life.
Hitler and Goebbels were right. Kill 1 person, and people are upset. Kill 10,000 and its a travesty. Kill 1.5 million as they did to the Armenians and no one will believe it. It boggles my mind that in todays world, people such as yourself even exist, that no one has lost their patience with you and just offed you, of course common sense prevails and your are not worth the effort. Just for you. Zeig Heil

 

[pussygalore]

Now, I asked you to answer a question for me. What happened to the children at the camps?? The young ones, that could not be used for labour purposes.

I am not sure I understand the rationale of the question. I visited my local library today and there were several books containing eye witness reports by inmates of the division of inmates upon arrival at the camps with the children, elderly and sick being separated from the labourers and then never seen again.

 

[handsome sugardaddy]

Hey Sugar Daddy, now I understand. Since you have latent homosexual tendencies, and you can't find anyone to play with, you come on hear hoping to really piss people off so you can tell them to suck your dick. I only have one wish now and that is to transport you back in time to Auschwitz 1944, and no not make you go into the gas chamber, but to be a kapo, the ones who had to remove all the corpses from the chambers after everyone was dead. Then and only then would you finally concede to know the truth.
THE TRUTH IS THERE TO SEE WITH OPEN EYES. Debating you on this issue is absolutely absurd. Personally, I am quite thankful I live 3,000 miles away from someone like you. You sir need to get a life.
Hitler and Goebbels were right. Kill 1 person, and people are upset. Kill 10,000 and its a travesty. Kill 1.5 million as they did to the Armenians and no one will believe it. It boggles my mind that in todays world, people such as yourself even exist, that no one has lost their patience with you and just offed you, of course common sense prevails and your are not worth the effort. Just for you. Zeig Heil

Once again your wrong..........I live alot farther than 3000 miles from you.

So tell me Mr. Knowitall.........what happened to the children who were sent to the camps??

 

[handsome sugardaddy]

I am not sure I understand the rationale of the question. I visited my local library today and there were several books containing eye witness reports by inmates of the division of inmates upon arrival at the camps with the children, elderly and sick being separated from the labourers and then never seen again.

Yes, I read about these divisions as well. I'm curious then, what happened to the elderly, sick and the children that were not put to work. What happened to them?

 

[pussygalore]

Once again your wrong..........I live alot farther than 3000 miles from you.

So tell me Mr. Knowitall.........what happened to the children who were sent to the camps??

I certainly do not want to preempt Zaig but I think I just did.

 

[handsome sugardaddy]

I certainly do not want to preempt Zaig but I think I just did.

Well lets assume the able bodied ones were sent to work, then what happened to the elderly and the children?

 

[strange1]

The Nazi's built the gas chambers to combat the typeus that was rampant in the camps. Wether it was used for gassing of humans later on, that i'm not convinced about.

This is untrue. Auschwitz had seperate decontamination buildings. In addition, the dosage (ie. ppm) and exposure time for the HCN from Zyclon B required to kill lice was much higher and much longer than required for people. Any people undergoing these "treatment" would be dead in the reange of 1 h (depending on environmental conditions) as opposed to the lice dieing in about 32 h. The deniers make a big effort to show this in their pseudoscientific treatment of the "prussian blue" pigment existant in the official decontamination structures. It has also been show (quoted in previous posts) that the walls of the gas chambers showed the existance of HCN in builings claimed to be morgues. Considering that zyklon has no anti-bacterial properties, there is no reason for it's presence in a "morgue."

 

[Asterix]

Zaig, buzz off. You're only 5 posts into this board and already well on the way to being booted. There is no reason for your approach or language.

 

[strange1]

Zaig,

Why don't you try puting forth some good argument as others have, instead of your idle ramblings.

You clearly havn't read the entire thread, therefore I will not tell you to fuck off, instead.......suck my dick.

could it be because he has seen you ignore all kinds of evidence in favour of you own preconceptions?

 

[handsome sugardaddy]

could it be because he has seen you ignore all kinds of evidence in favour of you own preconceptions?

I don't have any preconceptions. I have admitted that millions of Jews disappeared, I am not convinced they were gassed in the camps. Do you know what happened with the children once they were brought to the camps?