I am getting tired of the rampant anti-israeli comments on this board

[basketcase]

Land for peace worked with Egypt (relatively) and Jordan (who didn't want the land). It seems reasonable, when fighting an enemy who's claim is the land that if you give the land back, they will no longer hate you. Of course, for some, "THE LAND" entails everything, not just West Bank, Gaza, and southern Lebanon as we have seen.

 

[peteeey]

Proof that the Middle East is fucked up.
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This story is from our news.com.au network Source: AFP

Lebanese PM urges withdrawal
From correspondents in London
August 04, 2006

 

[Cobster]

Classy,

I side with neither. I will say that we do live in a country that permits one to have an opinion on either side of the fence.... and you cant 'hate' on anyone because they happen to fall on the other side of that fence.

SK.

ding!

 

[Cobster]

Tell the Hezbola (or how ever you spell it) to stop sending their Russian and Iran made rockets to bomb Israel.

Tell America to stop rushing weapons over to Israel, while trying to play peace broker.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/23072006/323/rushing-arms-israel-amid-lebanon-bombings-official.html

 

[basketcase]

Proof that the Middle East is fucked up.
>
This story is from our news.com.au network Source: AFP

Lebanese PM urges withdrawal
From correspondents in London
August 04, 2006

???
I read the article and I don't know what is fucked up about it unless you doubt that they will have the ability to follow through. http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20014708-38201,00.html

LEBANON will work to impose order nationwide and help Israel get back its captured soldiers if world leaders press Israel to withdraw from Lebanon and return prisoners, Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora pledged today.

Mr Siniora, interviewed by BBC television, appealed to British Prime Minister Tony Blair and other leaders "to put pressure on Israel to withdraw, to give us back the detainees, and to give us the map for the landmines".

In return, Mr Siniora said, "we will arrange to get back (to Israel) the abducted soldiers and to empower the Lebanese government so that it can prevail over all its proper territory".

He said: "And there wouldn't be any weapons in Lebanon other than weapons of the legitimate authority."

 

[Perry Mason]

An Open Letter To The World

Not my writing, but certainly worth a read.

A passionate statement from one of the sides to this horrible situation..

AN OPEN LETTER TO THE WORLD

Dear World,

I understand that you are upset with us, here in Israel.

Indeed, it appears that you are quite upset, even angry. (Outraged?)

Indeed, every few years you seem to become upset by us. Today, it is the war in Lebanon and the "brutal repression of the Palestinians"; yesterday it was also Lebanon; before that it was the bombing of the nuclear reactor in Baghdad and the Yom Kippur War and the Sinai campaign. It appears that Jews who triumph and who, therefore, live, upset you most extraordinarily.

Of course, dear world, long before there was an Israel, we - the Jewish people - upset you.

We upset the German people who elected Hitler and upset the Austrian people who cheered his entry into Vienna and we upset a whole slew of Slavic nations - Poles, Slovaks, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians and Romanians. And we go back a long, long way in the history of world upset.

We upset the Cossacks of Chmielnicki who massacred tens of thousands of us in 1648-49; we upset the Crusaders who, on their way to liberate the Holy Land, were so upset at Jews that they slaughtered untold numbers of us.

For centuries, we upset the Roman Catholic Church that did its best to define our relationship through inquisitions, and we upset the arch-enemy of the church, Martin Luther, who, in his call to burn the synagogues and the Jews within them, showed an admirable Christian ecumenical spirit.

And it is because we became so upset over upsetting you, dear world, that we decided to leave you - in a manner of speaking - and establish a Jewish state. The reasoning was that living in close contact with you, as resident-strangers in the various countries that comprise you, we upset you, irritate you and disturb you. What better notion, then, than to leave you (and thus love you)- and have you love us and so, we decided to come home - home to the same land we were driven out 1,900 years earlier by a Roman world that, apparently, we also upset.

Alas, dear world, it appears that you are hard to please.

Having left you and your pogroms and inquisitions and crusades and holocausts, having taken our leave of the general world to live alone in our own little state, we continue to upset you. You are upset that we repress the poor Palestinians. You are deeply angered over the fact that we do not give up the lands of 1967, which are clearly the obstacle to peace in the Middle East.

Moscow is upset and Washington is upset. The "radical" Arabs are upset and the gentle Egyptian moderates are upset.

Well, dear world, consider the reaction of a normal Jew from Israel.

In 1920 and 1921 and 1929, there were no territories of 1967 to impede peace between Jews and Arabs. Indeed, there was no Jewish State to upset anybody. Nevertheless, the same oppressed and repressed Palestinians slaughtered tens of Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Safed and Hebron. Indeed, 67 Jews were slaughtered one day in Hebron in 1929.

Dear world, why did the Arabs - the Palestinians - massacre 67 Jews in one day in 1929? Could it have been their anger over Israeli aggression in 1967? And why were 510 Jewish men, women and children slaughtered in Arab riots between 1936-39? Was it because Arabs were upset over 1967?

And when you, dear world, proposed a UN Partition Plan in 1947 that would have created a "Palestinian State" alongside a tiny Israel and the Arabs cried "no" and went to war and killed 6,000 Jews - was that "upset" caused by the aggression of 1967? And, by the way, dear world, why did we not hear your cry of "upset" then?

The poor Palestinians who today kill Jews with explosives and firebombs and stones are part of the same people who - when they had all the territories they now demand be given to them for their state - attempted to drive the Jewish state into the sea. The same twisted faces, the same hate, the same cry of "itbach-al-yahud" (Massacre the Jew!) that we hear and see today, were seen and heard then. The same people, the same dream - destroy Israel. What they failed to do yesterday, they dream of today, but we should not "repress" them.

Dear world, you stood by during the holocaust and you stood by in 1948 as seven states launched a war that the Arab League proudly compared to the Mongol massacres.

You stood by in 1967 as Nasser, wildly cheered by wild mobs in every Arab capital in the world, vowed to drive the Jews into the sea. And you would stand by tomorrow if Israel were facing extinction.

And since we know that the Arabs-Palestinians dream daily of that extinction, we will do everything possible to remain alive in our own land. If that bothers you, dear world, well - think of how many times in the past you bothered us.

In any event, dear world, if you are bothered by us, here is one Jew in Israel who could not care less.

Perry

 

[allaboutben]

Not my writing, but certainly worth a read.

A passionate statement from one of the sides to this horrible situation.

Is it me or do Jews think they have been the only people persecuted in the history of the world? I would urge the writer of this letter to read history of different peoples for a change. At least, there are still Jews today. Many other groups have been wiped off the face of the earth long ago.

 

[LancsLad]

Is it me or do Jews think they have been the only people persecuted in the history of the world? I would urge the writer of this letter to read history of different peoples for a change. At least, there are still Jews today. Many other groups have been wiped off the face of the earth long ago.

The Jews try to make us think they are so hard done by. If they can make us feel guilty enough they can direct our actions. It only works if you let it. me i don't give a rats ass.

 

[basketcase]

True Ben but how many people complain about constant Black agression or the Armenian conspiracy to control the world or how Gays caused all of the worlds problems. The Israelis are no angels but they get a lot more criticism than some other groups and for much less. Either it is because they are in the Holy Land, because they are Jews, or because they are the most evil country on the planet. (Muslims get a fair bit of heat in Christian lands too and you know what; some of them aren't angels either)

 

[basketcase]

The Jews try to make us think they are so hard done by. If they can make us feel guilty enough they can direct our actions. It only works if you let it. me i don't give a rats ass.

Obvious you care enough to cast them as manipulators.

 

[LancsLad]

Obvious you care enough to cast them as manipulators.

Only if you let the constant whining get to you. treat it as background noise and it goes away.

 

[sleazure]

since when is terrorism acceptable? Since when is it in fashion to align with openly terrorist groups? Since when is is acceptable to hide among decent civilians and launch missles into the homes of innocent people and terrorize 6 million because no one knows where the next slaughter will take place. I am saddened by this - I thought we lived in a country of tolerance and underdstanding - read this story from another point of view

http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Qana_In_Context.asp

I wonder if Mel Gibson would agree with you

 

[Perry Mason]

Is it me or do Jews think they have been the only people persecuted in the history of the world? I would urge the writer of this letter to read history of different peoples for a change. At least, there are still Jews today. Many other groups have been wiped off the face of the earth long ago.

You got the point, but still don't understand it.

Many other people were and are being persecuted and so many were wiped off the face of the world.

We are still here. And we intend to be around much longer, yet.

But because we have been around so long, we have been persecuted much longer... and, often, much more viciously. You'd have to rewrite history to overlook or deny that fact.

Perry

 

[assoholic]

True Ben but how many people complain about constant Black agression or the Armenian conspiracy to control the world or how Gays caused all of the worlds problems. The Israelis are no angels but they get a lot more criticism than some other groups and for much less. Either it is because they are in the Holy Land, because they are Jews, or because they are the most evil country on the planet. (Muslims get a fair bit of heat in Christian lands too and you know what; some of them aren't angels either)

..maybe its the very disprportianate control they excercise over certain sectors of our society such as Finance and the Press and of course Entertainment.
Funny how your in depth analysis forgot to mention that.

 

[james t kirk]

You blame Israel 90% for not caring about anyone but themselves, when Hezbollah has 1300 rockets aimed at them?

Would someone beam the Captain up please, he's been on Uranus for too long...

Yep,

Those rockets are useless. Toys in fact. You talk like they are some kind of ICBM.

For every Israeli killed by "rockets" the IDF has killed about 50 Lebanese.

So yeah, I stand by my statements.

 

[james t kirk]

I wonder if Mel Gibson would agree with you

If Mel Gibson said "Muslim" instead of Jew, no-one would care. It's only cause he said Jew that he's in hot water.

 

[james t kirk]

True Ben but how many people complain about constant Black agression or the Armenian conspiracy to control the world or how Gays caused all of the worlds problems. The Israelis are no angels but they get a lot more criticism than some other groups and for much less. Either it is because they are in the Holy Land, because they are Jews, or because they are the most evil country on the planet. (Muslims get a fair bit of heat in Christian lands too and you know what; some of them aren't angels either)

To quote Bobby Gold in David Mamet's Homicide,

"2000 years of anti Semitism, maybe there's something there"

 

[basketcase]

To quote Bobby Gold in David Mamet's Homicide,

"2000 years of anti Semitism, maybe there's something there"

..maybe its the very disprportianate control they excercise over certain sectors of our society such as Finance and the Press and of course Entertainment.
Funny how your in depth analysis forgot to mention that.

Nothing like a bit of narrow minded racism to start off a Saturday.

1st quote is saying "maybe those jews deserve it"

2nd quote is saying "the jewish conspiracy contols money and the media"

Never heard these before.

 

[Gyaos]

He's in hot water as he should be.

He has enough money to buy the ice. Only jerks like Bill O'Reilly milk it for their own profit.

Gyaos.

 

[allaboutben]

You got the point, but still don't understand it.

Many other people were and are being persecuted and so many were wiped off the face of the world.

We are still here. And we intend to be around much longer, yet.

But because we have been around so long, we have been persecuted much longer... and, often, much more viciously. You'd have to rewrite history to overlook or deny that fact.

Perry

You clearly dont understand. Open your mind and read up on history for people other than Jews. I dont have to rewrite anything. Of course, Jews have been persecuted. Point is, they havent been the only ones. Secondly, many other groups have been killed off. Therefore, they have not had it the worst. Is that so hard to understand?