You are right. If any of the Iranian Guard messed up, they would very quietly disappear.Aardvark154 said:
Iran has captured 15 british marines
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Iran protests at consulate shooting by British troops in Iraq
Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:36:27
Iran has lodged a letter of formal protest with the Iraqi government regarding the attack by British troops on its consulate in the southern Iraqi city of Basra.
The Iranian Foreign Ministry issued a statement on Thursday to convey Tehran's displeasure at the event, stressing the Iraqi government's responsibility for providing the consulate staff with security based on international conventions.
Iranian Foreign Ministry officials have said a number of British armored personnel carriers surrounded the consulate in Basra and began shooting without any reason early in the morning.
The sources added that the move by British forces began about 10:30 a.m. local time and went on for 45 minutes.
The incident was the third of its kind in March where the British troops had surrounded the consulate with no specific reason. This time, however, the troops had virtually besieged the building.
The Iranian Foreign Ministry officials said the British soldiers were shooting in the air without any targets. They, however, said the soldiers did not fire at the main building.
Iran's consulate in Basra is located about 400 meters from former Saddam Hussein's palace used by the British troops as a military base.
Earlier, Iran's Chief Consul in Basra said the British were trying to provoke and infuriate Iranians after the detention of their navy personnel who had illegally entered Iranian territory in the Persian Gulf.
A spokesman for the British forces in Iraq confirmed the incident but claimed the attack had been a result of a "geographical coincidence," without providing further details.
Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:36:27
Iran has lodged a letter of formal protest with the Iraqi government regarding the attack by British troops on its consulate in the southern Iraqi city of Basra.
The Iranian Foreign Ministry issued a statement on Thursday to convey Tehran's displeasure at the event, stressing the Iraqi government's responsibility for providing the consulate staff with security based on international conventions.
Iranian Foreign Ministry officials have said a number of British armored personnel carriers surrounded the consulate in Basra and began shooting without any reason early in the morning.
The sources added that the move by British forces began about 10:30 a.m. local time and went on for 45 minutes.
The incident was the third of its kind in March where the British troops had surrounded the consulate with no specific reason. This time, however, the troops had virtually besieged the building.
The Iranian Foreign Ministry officials said the British soldiers were shooting in the air without any targets. They, however, said the soldiers did not fire at the main building.
Iran's consulate in Basra is located about 400 meters from former Saddam Hussein's palace used by the British troops as a military base.
Earlier, Iran's Chief Consul in Basra said the British were trying to provoke and infuriate Iranians after the detention of their navy personnel who had illegally entered Iranian territory in the Persian Gulf.
A spokesman for the British forces in Iraq confirmed the incident but claimed the attack had been a result of a "geographical coincidence," without providing further details.
Apparently US has afew Iranian diplomat hostages for a few months , my guess is Iran will not release Briths before a deal :
THURSDAY, JANUARY 11, 2007
US storms 'Iran consulate' in Arbil
US forces, backed by helicopters, have raided the Iranian consulate's offices in Arbil, the Kurdish capital in northern Iraq, Iranian officials said.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D380D570-5115-464C-8429-6D019CCAD42D.htm
THURSDAY, JANUARY 11, 2007
US storms 'Iran consulate' in Arbil
US forces, backed by helicopters, have raided the Iranian consulate's offices in Arbil, the Kurdish capital in northern Iraq, Iranian officials said.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D380D570-5115-464C-8429-6D019CCAD42D.htm
Topol-M said:Apparently US has afew Iranian diplomat hostages for a few months , my guess is Iran will not release Briths before a deal :
THURSDAY, JANUARY 11, 2007
US storms 'Iran consulate' in Arbil
US forces, backed by helicopters, have raided the Iranian consulate's offices in Arbil, the Kurdish capital in northern Iraq, Iranian officials said.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D380D570-5115-464C-8429-6D019CCAD42D.htm
Ummmmmm yea.
I believe this and the Malmedy massacre by Standartenführer Joachim Peiper come under the exceptions I spoke off.basketcase said:
It's similar to the story of the Royal Marine Officer who was captured at Dieppe and was being severly beaten by Heer (Wehrmach) solders, when a SS Officer came in ordered them to stop, had them put under arrest and made sure the British Officer was sent off to a POW Camp. After his POW Camp was liberated, he had to be personally taken to see the death camps before he would believe that the SS which had saved his life, where the same group who killed millions.
You very seldom see mentioned that Dresden was fire-bombed at the request of the Soviet Government.basketcase said:
What I read was the "coincidence" was that the "bad guys" opened up on the British patrol, the patrol returned fire and a firefight ensued in the neighborhood of the consulate.persis said:
I don't know if I'd phrase it that way but it was part of the allied effort to support the Soviet advances. From what I have read, the concept was to prevent German troops from reinforcing the Eastern Front by destroying rail junctions. The targeting of Dresden seems to have been at the suggestion of the RAF and the magnitude and weaponry used went well beyond destroying the rail heads.Aardvark154 said:
If you want to blame it on those Russians though, leave some blame for the Western Allies.
If the UK really wanted an event to escalate, they would be claiming that they were attacked by insurgents who fled into the Iranian Consulate.Aardvark154 said:
A problem was that the boarding party was operating too far way from H.M.S. Cornwall (supposedly because of shoal water). In which case, not that the U.S.N. is much better - many relatively new litoral operations warships having been mothballed. They should have had something of fairly shallow draft, high speed and superior firepower and armor to the Iranian speed boats, covering the operation. The Royal Navy must have a similar quotation to that of Captain James Lawrence, U.S.N. during the war of 1812 whose dying words were “don’t give up the ship.”persis said:
My ex-grandfather-in-law was shot down and killed by the Luftwaffe over the Crimea, the day before my ex-father-in-law was born.basketcase said:
We could argue over the nuance, but it wasn't just that RAF Bomber Command "went nuts" and decided to bomb Dresden, it was that the Red Army asked for massive raids on Dresden both for the reasons you state, but also to sew panic among those retreating from the Red Army.
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Why the Iranians would choose this moment to remind the world what asshats they are is beyond me....persis said:
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yeah , right. it could also , very easily be resolved if IRAN admits the error and releases them. I don't see that happening, though.persis said:
and , who the fuck actually believes ( other than the brainwashed masses in Iran, which is, I believe who the "confessions" were really made for ) the video and "confessions" made by the british hostages weren't coerced.
Iran =cult of islam.
where are all the moderate muslim's ? the overwhelming majority of reports we hear are about muslim extremists blowing themselves up.
Until we start seeing the muslim clerics denouncing this type of bahavior, I don't see how anyone can have any other opinion than that they're condoning and even promoting it.
I have a question. what are the iranians using to navigate their ships and such? how are THEY so sure they weren't in Iraqi waters?
obviously the US military isn't going to allow them to use their GPS.
unless , maybe the iranians were using the commercial ones that have the built in error. if that's the case , then its just a big misunderstanding.
They should just admit they were wrong and release the sailors and everything will be forgiven.
I believe them as much as I believe Kim jong il got 14 hole in one in one round of golf. and I really believe him , really I do.
obviously the US military isn't going to allow them to use their GPS.
unless , maybe the iranians were using the commercial ones that have the built in error. if that's the case , then its just a big misunderstanding.
They should just admit they were wrong and release the sailors and everything will be forgiven.
I believe them as much as I believe Kim jong il got 14 hole in one in one round of golf. and I really believe him , really I do.
If you can use a GPS so can the Iranian navy.....islandman4567 said:I have a question. what are the iranians using to navigate their ships and such? how are THEY so sure they weren't in Iraqi waters?
obviously the US military isn't going to allow them to use their GPS.
unless , maybe the iranians were using the commercial ones that have the built in error. if that's the case , then its just a big misunderstanding.
They should just admit they were wrong and release the sailors and everything will be forgiven.
I believe them as much as I believe Kim jong il got 14 hole in one in one round of golf. and I really believe him , really I do.
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If we want to see muslim clerics denouncing this type of behaviour, we'll probably have to start hanging around mosques. Maybe even pretend we're Muslims. You go first and report back....islandman4567 said:
Or maybe you were thinking that our mainstream news outlets would dutifully report everything that is said by all those obscure clerics in all those corner mosques all over the world - day in and day out. Did it ever occur to you that the news gathering organizations in most western countries don't give a rat's ass what the average muslim thinks? They're too busy reporting on those horrific and newsworthy atrocities being carried out by that tiny minority of bloodthirsty muslims who are "interesting" to the readers.
Iran has its own satellites; they are able to provide own reading & imagesislandman4567 said:I have a question. what are the iranians using to navigate their ships and such? how are THEY so sure they weren't in Iraqi waters?
obviously the US military isn't going to allow them to use their GPS.
unless , maybe the iranians were using the commercial ones that have the built in error. if that's the case , then its just a big misunderstanding.
They should just admit they were wrong and release the sailors and everything will be forgiven.
I believe them as much as I believe Kim jong il got 14 hole in one in one round of golf. and I really believe him , really I do.
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