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Kautilya said:
Nobody likes Islamic extremism. The majority of Muslims don't either. Nobody likes Zionism either. Or Evangelical Christianity. No one like religious fundamentalism.



There is no version of history regarding Israel and Palestine, that does not involve oppression of the Palestinians.

Also, terrorism is not justified. But you have to remember they are terrorists to US. We call them terrorists. They call them freedom fighters. The reason these "terrorists" or "freedom fighters" exist, is because of certain things like western military action, oppression, and so on. That has to be acknowledged. Terrorists are not a defined faction that you can defeat on the battlefield. Every lost man can be replaced and replacement is easy when you give them a reason to use.

Jihadists do not exist in a vacuum. And if you agree that we will see a new generation of Jihadists, then why enable them? Why enable them via the same methods that helped create the other Jihadists in the first place?



Oh what a noble government staying out of people's faith! lol. Stop.
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You call it oppression, I call it conflict...yeah...both sides h ad been in conflict for ages...
 
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Kautilya said:
Why are you stuck on that? Who is denying that Hamas started the current war?

The disagreement is not about who started the war. It is about how Israel is going about it. Which is to commit war crimes.



Not sure how much those RPG's would be able to penetrate Tank armour though.
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How is Israel going about it? They asked for release of hostages and what do they get? more rockets....If protesters are crying "ceasefire"...they know who they should direct it to....
 
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Kautilya said:
Nobody likes Islamic extremism. The majority of Muslims don't either. Nobody likes Zionism either. Or Evangelical Christianity. No one like religious fundamentalism.



There is no version of history regarding Israel and Palestine, that does not involve oppression of the Palestinians.

Also, terrorism is not justified. But you have to remember they are terrorists to US. We call them terrorists. They call them freedom fighters. The reason these "terrorists" or "freedom fighters" exist, is because of certain things like western military action, oppression, and so on. That has to be acknowledged. Terrorists are not a defined faction that you can defeat on the battlefield. Every lost man can be replaced and replacement is easy when you give them a reason to use.

Jihadists do not exist in a vacuum. And if you agree that we will see a new generation of Jihadists, then why enable them? Why enable them via the same methods that helped create the other Jihadists in the first place?



Oh what a noble government staying out of people's faith! lol. Stop.
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There is no perfect solution. In a conflict where neither side can find common ground that the majority agree with, what will happen is Palestine will be wiped out but Jihadists will continue to exist.

You believe the initial fault is with Israel. I and many others do not. The ceasefire ended on Oct 7. Hamas opened the gates of hell and theres no turning back.
 
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Kautilya said:
1. Hamas created what problem? The current Israeli response? Yes. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict? No.
2. And so WHAT if Hamas created the problem of the current response by Israel? Israel has a choice not to carpet bomb. So the decision to carpet bomb, is solely theirs.
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Your arguments are beginning to sound almost as ridiculous as frank's. If someone creates a problem, then the consequences of what they created is unequivocally their responsibility.

And the decision to put Gazans in harms way is solely Hamas'.
 
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Kautilya said:
I forgot to mention, the 4th reason, that you could be a supporter of Israel, because it is the socially and politically acceptable/easier thing to do.
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Clearly not.

I thought that's it's been accepted than the U.N. and 80% of the countries of the world do not support Israel. The furthest thing from socially and politically. It is going against the grain of public opinion acceptable.

On the other hand it is easily acceptable morally.
 
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mandrill said:
The attraction of the anti Israel / pro Palestinian movement in the West is that it can be framed as support for downtrodden brown people against powerful whites. In a world where such causes are becoming increasingly difficult to find, it's probably the only game in town. (The West no longer colonizes Africa, no longer supports wars in Asia and Latin America and has liberalized laws directed against gays and women. The old demo heyday of the 60's and early 70's are long gone).

So the movement attracts hard left people - often fairly young - who are emotionally attracted to the idea of a "cause" and who are very low information - or even "no information". So they ignore the plain fact that Islamic fundamentalism - and even most Islamic societies in the Middle East - are extremely fucked up and nasty for emotional reasons.

The tee shirt icons of my youth - Che, Lenin, Fidel, Mao, etc - were pretty nauseating too. But we still liked them.
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When I was in uni, I told the co-eds I was a communist. It worked every time.
 
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