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Israel at war

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What's the deal with the Irish? (I assume she is by her accent).

When I hear that accent on Twitter and TikTok it's always anti-Israel, at least in the current situation.

Did the Jews do something to piss off the Irish?
He did a great job here...
 

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Nobody likes Islamic extremism. The majority of Muslims don't either. Nobody likes Zionism either. Or Evangelical Christianity. No one like religious fundamentalism.



There is no version of history regarding Israel and Palestine, that does not involve oppression of the Palestinians.

Also, terrorism is not justified. But you have to remember they are terrorists to US. We call them terrorists. They call them freedom fighters. The reason these "terrorists" or "freedom fighters" exist, is because of certain things like western military action, oppression, and so on. That has to be acknowledged. Terrorists are not a defined faction that you can defeat on the battlefield. Every lost man can be replaced and replacement is easy when you give them a reason to use.

Jihadists do not exist in a vacuum. And if you agree that we will see a new generation of Jihadists, then why enable them? Why enable them via the same methods that helped create the other Jihadists in the first place?



Oh what a noble government staying out of people's faith! lol. Stop.
Yet the Majority live under it. So I'd say they're quite fine with it.
 

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Oh how kind. Call someone and tell them their house is going to be rubble in 2 hours, for no reason. Where is the military objective? There is none. Even if the people do not move, after such warnings, Israel should still make the choice to not bomb. Failing which it is a war crime.
It explicitly proves their goal isn't to kill civilians. Israel is the ONLY country in history who gives advance warning of their military strikes, allowing enemy fighters to escape simply to limit the number of civilian deaths.

And I'm sure you didn't read the CNN article discussing what constitutes a war crime and what is a legitimate strike.
 

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There is no version of history regarding Israel and Palestine, that does not involve oppression of the Palestinians.
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Do you think Arab and Palestinian leaders have any culpability for the 100 years of violence?
 

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How can Hamas be blowing up so many IDF vehicles? Israel tells us they are all hiding in tunnels.
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Because tunnels have entrances, many of them hidden in schools, hospitals, and mosques.

But sure, keep on cheering Hamas.
 

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Oh how kind. Call someone and tell them their house is going to be rubble in 2 hours, for no reason. Where is the military objective? There is none. Even if the people do not move, after such warnings, Israel should still make the choice to not bomb. Failing which it is a war crime.
Isn't it possible there is a military target, perhaps under the building with a tunnel leading to an underground bunker? I'm sure this type of intelligence would not be given besides the warning to clear out civilians.
 

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I proved to you already, that they don't.
Most Muslims live in Majority Muslim nations. They all pretty much have Sharia on the law books. They ban gay people, have various penalties for Apostates, polygamy, corporal punishment, adultery laws, and more. A nation only gets there with a Majority of muslims who want it.

This is the end game. This is the definition of "The Peace of Islam". And the Quran even says its ok to lie about it to infidels.

Its not they don't have the death penalty, its that they don't have it YET. Iran and Saudi Arabia are the pinnacles of what happens within the two major sects.
 

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Its possible. But my question is then, what if people still do not move because there is no where to move? They also give 2 hours , and it is mass panic, with children and the elderly - how are they supposed to move in 2 hours? What possessions will they take? Where are they supposed to go? I mean it is inherently evil to call someone and say - "In 2 hours we will destroy your house. Just move". It would still be a war crime, because am sure the value of 1 decommissioned bunker or tunnel, cannot be justified by 10s or 100s of Palestinian deaths.
It is better than the 90 second Jewish folks have to get to a shelter when the sirens go off


 

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Okay then build bomb shelters that can house 2.2M people, withstand JDAMs and Precision bombs and bunker busters, and provide the Palestinians with Iron Domes and sophisticated radars, and then just give them a 90 second warning. lol.
If Hamas hadn't blown their budget on tunnels and weapons, they could have built shelters and iron domes for their people. Although if they didn't fire missiles, murder and kidnap innocent civilians they would not need tunnels or anti-missile firepower.
 

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That actually only proves Israel's intent to bomb civilian establishments that have no military value, ...
Or to destroy the Hamas infrastructure in the buildings.

Again, it disproves any bullshit claims of genocide.

Yes, of course. Both sides are responsible. But I am saying assign blame where you need to. ...
Yet you stated that you think the conflict is explicitly base don Israel oppressing Palestinians. Do the Arab mob attacks on indigenous Jews in the 1920s have some blame for Israel's defensive posture? Does the Arab/Palestinian rejection of Partition and decision to declare war have anything to do with the conflict continuing? Does the fact that terror attacks against Israel were occurring when Jordan controlled the West Bank play a role? Does Arafat and Abbas walking away from peace talks play a role?

Jordan ceded the West Bank to Israeli control in 1994 with the intent of it being the basis for a Palestinian state. Do you think it possible for that to happen when Palestinian leadership refuse to accept that as an end to the conflict?

But yes, there is a vicious cycle in it. Terrorist attacks on Israelis result in Israeli response which kills civilians which causes more terrorism ... That's why I think the way forward is pressure on both sides to negotiate a comprehensive peace deal.
 
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Okay then build bomb shelters that can house 2.2M people, withstand JDAMs and Precision bombs and bunker busters, and provide the Palestinians with Iron Domes and sophisticated radars, and then just give them a 90 second warning. lol.
So instead of having Hamas/PIJ stop firing rockets indiscriminatingly, you want Israel to spend money to build shelters so fewer Israelis are killed? Sorry to break it to you but Israel has spent billions on Iron dome and safe rooms which are mandatory in Israeli construction. At the same time, Hamas has spent billions on their military infrastructure including putting rocket launchers in schools.
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As Squeezer said, Hamas wouldn't need an Iron Dome system if they weren't continually attacking Israel.
 

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Okay then build bomb shelters that can house 2.2M people, withstand JDAMs and Precision bombs and bunker busters, and provide the Palestinians with Iron Domes and sophisticated radars, and then just give them a 90 second warning. lol.
Why didn't hamas thought of that?
 

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