Kremlin aide - US offer to end war is acceptable

[SchlongConery]

That was Putin's preferred venue:

Putin suggests summit with Trump in UAE – DW – 08/07/2025

Russian president Vladimir Putin says he could meet with Donald Trump in the United Arab Emirates in the coming days. The White House and the Kremlin have confirmed plans for the summit are underway. Trump has been pressing for a meeting with Putin, as he seeks to secure an end to Russia's war...

www.dw.com

Trump prefers Qatar. They have a "Visit Qatar and get a FREE Boeing 747" promotion going on.

 

[SchlongConery]

You are assuming big z doesn't get hung from a lamp post by the bandara bois though. Even if he signs a peace deal in another country and never returns to what's left of Ukraine.... they'll get him eventually

Seanzo? Is that a brand name for a psychotic inducing medication?

You might want to ask your psych to try different a different medication

 

[richaceg]

C'mon, let's be honest here... whatever happens, Trump will call it "another win" for the (wet) Fart of the Deal incontinent con man presently infusing the Office of the President of the United States with his lingering stench.

so let's be honest...when Russia and Ukraine comes to terms with US brokering the deal...what would you call it then?

 

[SchlongConery]

If you google who he is, plus the fact its on RT, then you can quickly conclude this is a direct message from President. They are not gonna publish details as they don't want to tie their hands.

But.. but... but... Komrade Jackov...didn't you say many years ago near the beginning of this 3 Day blitzkreig of a Special Military Operation that "some Peskov guy" (Putin's official spokesman) had no authority to make some statement he made?

 

[SchlongConery]

so let's be honest...when Russia and Ukraine comes to terms with US brokering the deal...what would you call it then?

When?

I'd have to look up a more precise word to describe that scat-play fantasy scenario on Fetlife.com but for now I'd call it a "One Ruble Banknote fermented in the t'aint of Trump's Diaper" . (Signed in Sharpie of course!)

 

[richaceg]

When?

I'd have to look up a more precise word to describe that scat-play fantasy scenario on Fetlife.com but for now I'd call it a "One Ruble Banknote fermented in the t'aint of Trump's Diaper" . (Signed in Sharpie of course!)

Sure, but be honest, everyone is ready to call it a failure on his part if the deal falls apart...but it's not a victory when the deal happens, right?

 

[Frankfooter]

Sure, but be honest, everyone is ready to call it a failure on his part if the deal falls apart...but it's not a victory when the deal happens, right?

Oh sure, this time its going to be a success.

 

[SchlongConery]

Sure, but be honest, everyone is ready to call it a failure on his part if the deal falls apart...but it's not a victory when the deal happens, right?

I haven't, and wouldn't, call Trump's inability to make a deal between Ukraine and Russia a failure. It is a non-starter from the get-go.

Whether you can see past your admiration for him, Trump is not in a position of strength when it comes to Putin. To the contrary.

Trump does have leverage against Ukraine in the form of cutting off hard military support and lifting US based sanctions.

But doing so exposes him to further domestic, international scorn, headlines and expose' that would embarrassingly reinforce the (officially) yet-unspoken by Captain Obvious reality that Trump is compromised by Putin and will no longer hide the licking Putin's boots.

You are not stupid, just misguided and infatuated with Trump. But a smart, well informed guy like you can't be so naiive to think Putin doesn't have SERIOUS and extensive kompromat on Trump, his family, cabinet members and political allies. I'm not talking pee tapes or Epstein blackbook level kompromat either.

Russians are the absolute best in the world in espionage, entrapment, creating dossiers of compromising information ('Kompromat'). They do this to anyonei they think might ever be of use to them. NOBODY can withstand it. Could you run for public office if your secrets were exposed? I couldn't. Even the most lily white have skeletons. And if the dirty laundry isn't filthy enough... well then the Russian intelligence machine expertly crafts that into something even dirtier. . It's what they do! It's how the Kremlin has and can exert such power so disproportionate to their real power.

Read a little bit on this one particular aspect of Russian soft power and I guarantee you will better understand why a durable "deal" can't be made with Russia. Never has, never will.

The Russians can only be tamped down (temporarily) by allowing themselves to bleed out by cutting off their own balls fighting a perceived external enemy. Like Reagan did, ending the Cold War and the Soviet Union failing because it over extended itself financially.

Now this time, not only are they haemmoraging financially by sanction, short and long term damage to their major source of income, petroleum. but also to the gradual destruction of their doestic commercial industries as these business' are forced to turn to military production. That they most often do not get paid in full for. Russian banks (most of which are private and not backed by the state) are forced to loan money to these doomed sock knitting business' into drone netting factories will inevitably collapse when the drone netting factories go bankrupt. To say nothing of the brain drain and generational affect from so many men being killed or disabled in the war.

Kompromat - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[nottyboi]

Exactly.
There's nothing to comment on until we know how they have chosen to tie their hands.
This is just "the meeting didn't fuck up completely and now we have no talks".

There is nothing to speculate on because nothing has been committed to.

From what I have read and heard the Russians provided their bottom line for a ceasefire. The USA accepted that. But now the USA is messing around in Caucasus so it could yet fall apart

 

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What’s Responsible For The Upcoming Putin-Trump Summit?

Andrew Korybko
Aug 07, 2025

Kremlin aide Yury Ushakov confirmed on Thursday that Putin and Trump could meet as soon as next week following Special Envoy Steve Witkoff’s “highly productive” three-hour-long meeting with his boss. A venue has already been agreed upon too. This comes a day before the expiry of Trump’s shortened deadline to Putin. It’s still unclear whether Trump will impose more sanctions on Russia and up to 100% tariffs on its trading partners, however, but he just doubled India’s tariffs to 50% on the same day.

In any case, the question on everyone’s mind is what’s responsible for the upcoming Putin-Trump summit, namely which of them offered the most concessions to the other and why. Coming right before the expiry of Trump’s deadline to Putin, some observers believe that the latter is therefore capitulating, but it’s also possible that the “TACO” (“Trump Always Chickens Out”) theory will be proven. There are several arguments for and against each of these two schools of thought.

This analysis here from early March enumerated the five reasons why Putin might agree to a ceasefire and the five reasons why he might not. As for why he might: Russia wants to avert disproportionate dependence on China; it also wants to beat China to the chase with the “New Détente”; the “New Détente” could geopolitically revolutionize the world; additional (and even secret) terms might be attached to the ceasefire; and Putin might really believe that Trump is serious about further escalating.

At the same time, he might still hold firm in his opposition to a ceasefire unless his terms from June 2024 are first met because: Russia wants to liberate all occupied territories; the front lines might soon collapse to Russia’s benefit; Russia wants to scare away Western peacekeepers from deploying to Ukraine; some of the Russian public don’t want a ceasefire; and Putin might really believe that Trump is bluffing about further escalating per the “TACO” theory.

This segues into the reasons why Trump might offer the most concessions to Putin. Briefly, this could be because he: soberly assessed the resultant escalation risk and wisely decided against it; accordingly shook off the pernicious influence of the warmongers around him like Lindsey Graham; is finally willing to coerce Zelensky into Putin’s demanded concessions for peace; expects that he’ll succeed and neither his new EU vassals nor the UK will sabotage this; and hopes to win the Nobel Peace Prize as a result.

On the other hand, he might still hold firm in his opposition to coercing Zelensky into Putin’s demanded concessions for peace because he: believes that any further escalation would be manageable; is still under the influence of warmongers like Lindsey Graham; believes that he can coerce concessions from Putin; expects that his new EU vassals and the UK will contribute to his potential escalation plans; and hopes
that he’ll win the Nobel Peace Prize if he gets Putin to agree to a totally lopsided deal.

Everyone will soon discover whether it was Putin or Trump who miscalculated by not ending the conflict earlier, but they shouldn’t forget that while “China Might Not Want Russia To Lose, It Might Not Want Russia To Win Either”. As such, China might try to beat Russia to the chase in clinching a “New Détente” with the US, which could decelerate or even offset Trump’s “Pivot (back) to (East) Asia”. All that’s known for sure is that the coming week will reveal a lot about the factors that drive those three’s policies.

What’s Responsible For The Upcoming Putin-Trump Summit?

One of them must have offered more concessions to the other.

korybko.substack.com

 

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The diplomatic efforts that paved the way for a possible Trump-Putin meeting on Ukraine

KATIE MARIE DAVIES
August 7, 2025

Russian President Vladimir Putin says he hopes to meet U.S. President Donald Trump in latest bid by the White House to broker an end to the 3-year-old war in Ukraine.

Putin’s foreign affairs adviser Yuri Ushakov said Thursday a meeting could take place as early as next week, although he noted that such events take time to organize. No date is confirmed.

He also played down the possibility of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy joining the summit.

No location has been determined, according to a White House official who was not authorized to talk publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity. The official said a Trump-Putin meeting would not happen if the Russian leader does not agree to meet with Zelenskyy.

A meeting between Putin and Trump would be the first U.S.-Russia summit since former President Joe Biden met with the Kremlin leader in 2021. There’s no guarantee a Trump-Putin meeting would lead to the end of the fighting, since Moscow and Kyiv remain far apart on their conditions for peace.

Key events that shaped efforts to end the war since Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24, 2022:

Feb. 28, 2022: Ukrainian and Russian delegations meet in neighboring Belarus for the first time since the invasion. Talks continue for the next two weeks, but no agreements emerge other than a decision to set up humanitarian corridors for civilians.

March 21, 2022: Zelenskyy calls for direct talks with Putin but is rebuffed by Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. A day later, Zelenskyy says he is prepared to discuss a commitment for Ukraine to not to seek NATO membership in exchange for a ceasefire, the withdrawal of Russian troops and a guarantee of Ukraine’s security.

March 29, 2022: Talks begin in Istanbul, with Moscow saying it’s willing to “fundamentally cut back” military activity near Kyiv and the northern city of Chernihiv. Kyiv said it was open to discussing neutral status for Ukraine if its security is backed by other nations.

April 7, 2022: Lavrov rejects a Ukrainian peace proposal as “unacceptable.” He says Kyiv has walked back on an agreement to exempt the Crimean Peninsula from wider Ukrainian security guarantees. Russia illegally annexed Crimea in 2014.

July 22, 2022: Russia and Ukraine, with mediation by Turkey and the U.N., agree on a deal to unblock supplies of grain stuck in Ukraine’s Black Sea ports, ending a standoff that threatened global food security. The deal expires a year later.

Sept. 30, 2022: Russia illegally annexes the Ukrainian regions of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson, even though it doesn’t fully control any of them. Ukraine responds by applying to join NATO and by enacting a decree that declares negotiations with Putin “impossible.”

Dec. 7, 2024: U.S. President-elect Donald Trump meets Zelenskyy and other European leaders in Paris.

Feb 12. 2025: Trump and Putin agree to begin negotiations on ending the Ukraine war in a phone call that ends a three-year U.S.-led effort to isolate Russia over Ukraine.

Feb. 18, 2025: Russian and U.S. officials, including Lavrov and U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio, meet in Saudi Arabia and agree to work toward ending the war, as well as restoring bilateral ties. Ukrainian officials are not invited.

Feb. 28, 2025: Zelenskyy meets with Trump, Rubio and Vice President JD Vance in a contentious session in the Oval Office. A proposed minerals deal between the countries is left unsigned.

March 11, 2025: U.S. and Ukrainian officials meet in Saudi Arabia, with American officials putting forward a plan for a 30-day ceasefire. Kyiv agrees to the proposed truce.

March 13, 2025: Putin effectively rejects the ceasefire plan, stating certain issues must be resolved. He also meets with U.S. special envoy Steve Witkoff in Moscow. Witkoff would travel to Russia twice more in April to meet Putin.

March 18, 2025: A proposal is put forward for a temporary halt on strikes on energy infrastructure. Both sides agree to the plan, but soon accuse each other of violations, and the measure later expires.

April 19, 2025: Putin announces a 30-hour ceasefire to mark the Easter holiday, although attacks continue across Ukraine.

April 28, 2025: The Kremlin declares a unilateral 72-hour ceasefire starting May 8 to mark Russia’s Victory Day celebrating the defeat of Nazi Germany in World War II. Kyiv does not agree, preferring a 30-day truce proposed by U.S. officials. Both sides accuse each other of violating it.

May 11, 2025: Putin proposes restarting direct talks with Ukraine in Istanbul “without preconditions” but does not agree to the 30-day ceasefire. Zelenskyy challenges Putin to meet in Turkey.

May 15, 2025: Russian and Ukrainian delegations meet for direct talks in Istanbul for the first time since early 2022. Subsequent meetings are held on June 2 and July 23, but aside from ongoing exchanges of prisoners of war and the bodies of fallen soldiers, no substantive progress is made on key issues.

July 14, 2025: Trump says he will implement “severe tariffs” on Russia and countries that continue to buy Russian oil unless Moscow reaches a peace deal with Ukraine within 50 days. Two weeks later, on July 28, he says that he will shorten that deadline to 10-12 days.


Aug. 6, 2025: Witkoff visits Moscow and meets with Putin two days before Trump’s deadline. Later that day, a White House official speaking on condition of anonymity in order to discuss internal plans says Trump and Putin could soon meet in person. A day later, the Kremlin confirms the planned meeting but does not set a date.

The diplomatic efforts that paved the way for a possible Trump-Putin meeting on Ukraine

Russian President Vladimir Putin says he hopes to meet U.S. President Donald Trump as the White House seeks to broker an end to the war in Ukraine.

apnews.com

 

[SchlongConery]

You vatniks and your US/Russia negotiations over Ukraine when Ukraine isn't even there!

Imagine what reaction an Indian man will get telling a Ukrainian woman or man who they are going marry, the dowry and anal sex schedule.


This summit is a farce on its face.

It's an excuse for Trump and Putin to meet in person, secretly, without witnesses, note takers, recording etc . Where Putin will explain the plan, the actions and words his wank-sockpuppet Trump is going to take, what he is going to say publicly etc to keep the ruse going and Trump in line.

Maybe Putin might throw him a Milkbone and extend his line of credit, have a straw man buyer purchase some Trumpcoin, a hotel, golf club for an inflated price, or throw his son-in-law a couple billion to 'invest' or some other shiny toy or candy to put him in a positive mood and not scared out of his diapers.

Putin has Trump by the balls in every way that we can't even begin to imagine.

For those who don't, or don't want to believe the obvious... reflect on Trump's attitude towards Putin from Day ONE and until today. Putin shows NO respect, defies Trump publicly, hangs up the phone from what Trump thinks is a really good call, then comes home to his wife laughing at him because Putin just doubled the attacks on Ukrainian cities.

Compare Trump's tepid response to Putin's intransigence to ANYONE else who so much as disagrees with Trump on ordering from Popeyes instead of KFC. They are immediately subject to belittling 3:00 am toilet Toots, regardless of their previous loyalty or being considered a really great guy etc.

It's a farce

 

[oil&gas]

Trump will be very happy to turn the rest of a divided Ukraine to
the west into a vassal state of the U.S.

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Putin Tells U.S. He’ll Halt War in Exchange for Eastern Ukraine

Trump says he will meet with the Russian leader in Alaska on Aug. 15; Europeans express reservations about Putin’s proposal

Aug. 8, 2025

https://www.wsj.com/world/putin-russia-ukraine-ceasefire-proposal-0021453b

 

[SchlongConery]

Trump will be very happy to turn the rest of a divided Ukraine to
the west into a vassal state of the U.S.

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Putin Tells U.S. He’ll Halt War in Exchange for Eastern Ukraine

Trump says he will meet with the Russian leader in Alaska on Aug. 15; Europeans express reservations about Putin’s proposal

Aug. 8, 2025

https://www.wsj.com/world/putin-russia-ukraine-ceasefire-proposal-0021453b

Nice analysis Komrade Jakov.

 

[SchlongConery]

 

[Frankfooter]

You vatniks and your US/Russia negotiations over Ukraine when Ukraine isn't even there!

Imagine what reaction an Indian man will get telling a Ukrainian woman or man who they are going marry, the dowry and anal sex schedule.


This summit is a farce on its face.

It's an excuse for Trump and Putin to meet in person, secretly, without witnesses, note takers, recording etc . Where Putin will explain the plan, the actions and words his wank-sockpuppet Trump is going to take, what he is going to say publicly etc to keep the ruse going and Trump in line.

Maybe Putin might throw him a Milkbone and extend his line of credit, have a straw man buyer purchase some Trumpcoin, a hotel, golf club for an inflated price, or throw his son-in-law a couple billion to 'invest' or some other shiny toy or candy to put him in a positive mood and not scared out of his diapers.

Putin has Trump by the balls in every way that we can't even begin to imagine.

For those who don't, or don't want to believe the obvious... reflect on Trump's attitude towards Putin from Day ONE and until today. Putin shows NO respect, defies Trump publicly, hangs up the phone from what Trump thinks is a really good call, then comes home to his wife laughing at him because Putin just doubled the attacks on Ukrainian cities.

Compare Trump's tepid response to Putin's intransigence to ANYONE else who so much as disagrees with Trump on ordering from Popeyes instead of KFC. They are immediately subject to belittling 3:00 am toilet Toots, regardless of their previous loyalty or being considered a really great guy etc.

It's a farce

We know how that meeting will go.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1952571714099138843

 

[SchlongConery]

 

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[oil&gas]

Ukrainian Support for War Effort Collapses

August 7, 2025
Benedict Vigers

LONDON — Most Ukrainians now favor ending the war with Russia through negotiations, as support for fighting until victory has dropped sharply since the early days of the conflict. Although their hopes for joining NATO and the European Union have faded and approval of U.S. leadership has plummeted, Ukrainians still see the EU, U.K. and U.S. as key to ending the war. Yet, most doubt that will happen anytime soon.


More than three years into the war, Ukrainians’ support for continuing to fight until victory has hit a new low. In Gallup’s most recent poll of Ukraine — conducted in early July — 69% say they favor a negotiated end to the war as soon as possible, compared with 24% who support continuing to fight until victory.


This marks a nearly complete reversal from public opinion in 2022, when 73% favored Ukraine fighting until victory and 22% preferred that Ukraine seek a negotiated end as soon as possible.

Support for the war effort has declined steadily across all segments of the Ukrainian population, regardless of region or demographic group. This shift comes as diplomatic efforts gain new traction. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has signaled readiness for direct talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin, proposing renewed negotiations, while U.S. President Donald Trump is attempting to pressure the Kremlin with the threat of sanctions.


Despite these moves, the conflict continues largely unabated. Daily missile and drone attacks persist, and fighting remains intense along multiple sections of the front line.

Lasting End to Active Fighting Not Expected to Arrive Soon

Though a clear majority of Ukrainians now favor a negotiated end to the war as soon as possible, most are skeptical that active fighting will end soon. One in four (25%) think it is likely that active fighting will come to an end within the next 12 months, although only 5% see it as “very likely.” Over two-thirds (68%) think it is unlikely that active fighting will come to an end in the next year.

Ukrainians Sour on Washington but See a Role for U.S. in Peace Negotiations

Ukrainians’ views of their most prominent military ally have shifted decisively since the early months of the war. In 2025, 16% of Ukrainians approve of U.S. leadership, while 73% express disapproval, a record high. All of the goodwill that Washington built up in 2022, when 66% approved of U.S. leadership, has evaporated.

Tensions between Kyiv and Washington have risen in 2025 after Trump’s return to office. A tense meeting between Trump and Zelenskyy in the Oval Office in late February coincided with temporary pauses in U.S. military assistance.


By contrast, perceptions of Germany have improved significantly this year. Leadership approval of Berlin has reached a record high of 63%, despite Germany’s more cautious stance in the war’s early months. Approval of Russia remains negligible (1%), while China continues to receive low ratings (8%), as it has since the war began.

Despite sharp disapproval of U.S. leadership, most Ukrainians still view Washington as having a meaningful role to play in resolving the conflict. Seventy percent believe the U.S. should play “a significant role” in peace talks, in line with views toward EU countries (75%) and the U.K. (71%). Although some negotiations have recently taken place in Türkiye, 55% of Ukrainians support its significant involvement, notably lower than support for the EU, U.K. and U.S.

Hopes for Quick Entry to NATO, EU Fade Further

Ukraine has long expressed a desire to join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, which is seen by many as crucial to the country’s long-term security. In the first two years of the war, hopes were high for a quick accession to NATO, when clear majorities (64% in 2022 and 69% in 2023) expected Ukraine to be accepted within the next decade.


Hopes for a quick accession to NATO fell to 51% last year and have continued a downward trend, reaching 32% in 2025, half as high as in 2022. Meanwhile, the percentage who believe Ukraine will never be accepted into NATO has jumped to 33%, in line with the percentage expecting to join within the next 10 years.

Hopes for a future within the EU have not fallen as much as they have for NATO but are still dampened compared with earlier in the war. A slim majority of Ukrainian adults (52%) expect Ukraine to be accepted into the EU within the next decade, compared with 61% last year and 73% in 2022 and 2023.

Bottom Line

While most Ukrainians are ready to see the fighting end, few expect it to happen soon. Ukrainians see key roles for the EU, U.K. and U.S. to play in bringing the war to an end, even though public approval of Washington has cratered.


This year has also seen another decisive shift in hopes for a quick accession to NATO, with 32% now expecting to be accepted in the next decade. As diplomatic efforts drag on, the future of Ukraine’s war effort, and its relationship with the international community, remain deeply uncertain.

Ukrainian Support for War Effort Collapses

New data from Ukraine show the public favors ending the war with Russia through negotiations, as support for fighting until victory has plummeted.

news.gallup.com

 

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Zelenskyy CONFRONTS Trump for FALLING into Putin’s TRAP