Are your brains rotting?
Are you going to apologize now?
Liberals lied on the carbon tax, according to Statistics Canada data
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He literally said he was standing up to Trump and imposed tariffs, then removed them after the election.
We're not talking about whether tariffs are good or bad, etc...we are talking about him saying one thing and then doing the other after he was elected.
Dislike of Trudeau was closely tied to failed policies that he held tightly to for the past decade while life became more and more unaffordable, ie carbon tax, immigration, pipelines, etc.
So to win the election with a "new face", the Liberals just copied the Conservative policies to level the playing field. ie they changed their ideology over night.
Then they did a better job of convincing voters that Carney would "stand up to Trump" better than Poilievre would. i.e. they fear-mongered better.
So I would buy the argument that Liberal supporters were conned, but not that Carney and the same party Trudeau had are doing anything differently or will stick to the Conservative policies they borrowed for the election.
I'm going to microcosm this for you and use the Johnson and Johnson example you listed.
Johnson & Johnson Increases U.S. Investment to More than $55 Billion Over the Next Four Years
Investment builds on almost 140-year legacy of improving and saving lives and supporting American jobs Includes four planned new manufacturing facilities, with ground-breaking today in North Carolina on $2 billion+ facility Total Company U.S. economic impact estimated to be more than $100 billion…
www.jnj.com
Here is the official announcement. Great. However it isn't really NEW investment. It's investment they would have already started. It is, according to them, a 25% increase from the previous four years in overall investments. Great again.
Then comes the disclaimer. At the bottom of this short announcement is the caveat that all of this is speculative, based on the present day policy, that they can change their minds at any time, and really they have no choice but to warn "reader is cautioned not to rely on these forward looking statements "
It's right their in black and white. No guarantees. And a laundry list of reasons why this won't happen.
The High Cost Of Cutting Staff: Pharma Layoffs And The Future Of Innovation
Most organizations can afford a 10% efficiency cut, providing immediate financial relief, but how these cuts are done often creates new inefficiencies elsewhere.
www.forbes.com
And here is a Forbes article discussing that layoffs are happening, more are coming, announcements including R&D cut backs. Reduced expectations.
So yes, when the companies themselves state it's just a projection, but in the meantime we are cutting back and laying off, I tend to go with the shitty ACTUAL NEWS AND BUSINESS DECISIONS HAPPENING IN THE NOW, than nice press releases hopeful of a brighter future.
You mean you are referring to your mental gymnastics below?
No wonder I didn't remember this train wreck.
So.....
You are saying you would prefer he keep bad policy that will hurt the economy and Canadians?
I know you are disappointed with the result. But any election loss is only ever the fault of the losing party. The other party just did better, had better messaging, and a more appealing leader. That was the argument I used when Trump won(talk about fucking around on policy! ) and will do the same here.
And it's the job as PM as leader to pivot, change policy, as things change. Imo it's in the best interest of Canada not to go tariff nuts, and let the USA keep shooting itself. Instead we see Carney narrowing priorities through to the fall and adjusting as necessary.
We don't need an ideologe right now, we need a pragmatic leader. I certainly don't agree with everything he may do in the future, but on this we are aligned.
You didn't know the word "initiated" had two meanings.
Thanks for proving your ignorance...again.
How exactly does the word "initiate" have two meanings in this sentence below where I used it first?
Lets see you triple backflip your way out of this one.
do not bother
you are not the teacher here
Johnson & Johnson Increases U.S. Investment to More than $55 Billion Over the Next Four Years
Investment builds on almost 140-year legacy of improving and saving lives and supporting American jobs Includes four planned new manufacturing facilities, with ground-breaking today in North Carolina on $2 billion+ facility Total Company U.S. economic impact estimated to be more than $100 billion…
www.jnj.com
a disclaimer that has likely appeared on ever announcement J&J has made since the first lawsuit was brought against the pharma giant over its 139 year history
Americans are a litigious bunch so thy place disclaimers everywhere
[/QUOTE]The High Cost Of Cutting Staff: Pharma Layoffs And The Future Of Innovation
Most organizations can afford a 10% efficiency cut, providing immediate financial relief, but how these cuts are done often creates new inefficiencies elsewhere.
And here is a Forbes article discussing that layoffs are happening, more are coming, announcements including R&D cut backs. Reduced expectations.
So yes, when the companies themselves state it's just a projection, but in the meantime we are cutting back and laying off, I tend to go with the shitty ACTUAL NEWS AND BUSINESS DECISIONS HAPPENING IN THE NOW, than nice press releases hopeful of a brighter future.
you are a strange one
dozens of companies publicly commit to invest hundreds of billions of dollars in the USA
yet Butler 1000 knows better and insists these public commitments are a farse
the very worse thing a publicly traded company can do is mislead their investors with guidance (capital investments is a closely monitored metric)
do it once, ok things happen
do it twice, shame on you
do it again and institutional investors start looking elsewhere and the stock price suffers
you really do not have a clue what you are talking about
those hundreds of billions of dollars in US investments will occur
meanwhile you want Canada to ................wait ?
because you plan on buying Canadian fruits and vegetables in the summer thinking you are sticking it to Trump ???
here is the reality
so are you claiming the Canadian electorate supported the bad policy that Carney ran on ?
as previously stared by skoob
so since you are all knowing, what will be the next campaign promise Carney will break now that he secured the PMs position via deceit ?
you are a strange one
dozens of companies publicly commit to invest hundreds of billions of dollars in the USA
yet Butler 1000 knows better and insists these public commitments are a farse
the very worse thing a publicly traded company can do is mislead their investors with guidance (capital investments is a closely monitored metric)
do it once, ok things happen
do it twice, shame on you
do it again and institutional investors start looking elsewhere and the stock price suffers
you really do not have a clue what you are talking about
those hundreds of billions of dollars in US investments will occur
meanwhile you want Canada to ................wait ?
because you plan on buying Canadian fruits and vegetables in the summer thinking you are sticking it to Trump ???
here is the reality
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Lol. My suggestion is you write a strongly worded letter to the office of the Prime Minister advising the Former Bank of Canada/Britain and Private Equity Chair of Brookfield management that he is clueless on the economy, how businesses run, how trade works, how businesses will react, and he needs to resign immediately, call an election, and let a dude who couldn't retain his own seat try again.
Go ahead.
Me, I will wait and see.
I don't think that this election was about detailed policy. It was about who people trusted to see the nation through a period of adjustment in how trade works. And can adapt to the changing(sometimes daily) idiocy of Trump, for long term success. It was in fact a clash over the two party leaders and the voters thoughts on who would be the better PM.
And what we got was Carney, with the checks of a minority govt. I can live with that.
You literally said you didn't know the word "initiated" has two meanings. Those are your words not mine.
Are we not supposed to believe whatever you say now?
Do you just ramble on and hope everyone can decipher your version of English?
No, I prefer a party that doesn't do a 180 just to get elected and then go back to where they were after getting elected. I also prefer a party that hasn't spent the past decade demonizing the opposition only to adopt their policies to get elected.
Again, he put retaliatory tariffs on and then immediately removed them after winning the election. Was that a mistake?
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You literally said you didn't know it had two meanings. Your words not mine.
All I did was enlighten you and for that I would like a thank you, and an apology.
Maybe spend less time editing other's posts and more time comprehending the English language so you don't keep looking stupid.
he publicly declared he was going to stand up to Trump and he asked the electorate to vote for him based on the promise of standing up to Trump
Are you now trying to claim standing up to trump involves caving on reciprocal tariffs and then ......... waiting ?
bulllshit
the entire liberal platform was portraying Carny as the best option to stand up against trump
do not try to change history because Carny secured the PMs position via deceit and has since caved into trump
Changing history appears to be the antidote for being duped several times over the past decade as it were.
the cad/usd exchange rate is more a reflection of the bond market and the US govt debt bomb than anything Mark Carney has done
Although credit should be given where credit is due, Mark Carny is not Justin Trudeau
FYI the US democrats will soon be asking why they opposed Elon Musks DOGE efforts
