Mayoral Candidate Soknacki: Derail The Stupid Train
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The polls also told them the voters prefer liars promising no tax hikes and magic gravy paying for everything. Since there's only one electorate, even real leaders have to pander somewhat, and if the voters have been polarized and sensitized into seeing only black or white with no shades of grey across the spectrum, even the best pol will hold their nose and waste money on a subway most voters will later say 'turned out to be useless and a waste'. Those who preach what is good true and sensible get few hearers these days; the panders who flatter our baser desires—like something for nothing or subways for gravy—do much better.
In fact as a minority government with the clock ticking down, the Liberals are under constant pressure to woo new voters and retain whatever voters they can. Just like the gas-plants, give'em what they'll vote for, even if they won't like the result when they see it.
Of course they were...
Ford is horrible for our city but there is no question that he's effective with getting his message out (despite how wrong it is).
He has brainswashed Scarborough with lies. Every party and every councillor is hostage to the lies because no one has figured out how to effectively debunk the LIES that Ford has spewed.
I shake my head at everyone who just sucked it up for political power in the area but they were wrong. (And I still call myself a liberal and I really like Kathleen).
Ainslie and Soknacki are the only ones with balls so far....
Killed? Nothing has been killed. Its all still there. One section was enhanced. Is the crosstown LRT on eglington still being built? Yep. Just like Anbarandy and his claims(only 2 subway stops when its 3, et al) get it right. More funding was added from three levels of govt to make it better. And a damn good thing too.
Still waiting if you would even try the transit or have ever been out that way Jenn.....
You are wrong.
http://www.torontolife.com/informer/toronto-politics/2010/12/01/mayor-rob-ford-“transit-city-is-over”/
Ford killed Transit City and in its place proposes 3 subway stops in Scarborough.
OJ........bullshit to the whole amalgamation is at fault. Seriously. We had Metro council for years and before that even somehow the majority of the lines got built through 6 different cities.
I soley blame the fact that city councillor became a choice for career. Before it was something a civic minded person just did for a bit. Someone who would temporarily stop their career or in many cases continue it and serve the city. Now its filled since the 80's with hacks who either consider it a stepping stone to a riding position(MP or MPP) or like so many condo boards people who want to put their personal estetic stamp and social policies in place before fixing the plumbing.
Want better blood? Term limits. Simple. 3 and you are out for good. Perhaps 4 if you go for Mayor( max 2 terms in that position).
But can't work together? The people of the city and its workers do every day. Its just a few politicians on all sides of the political spectrum that can't.
I soley blame the fact that city councillor became a choice for career. Before it was something a civic minded person just did for a bit. Someone who would temporarily stop their career or in many cases continue it and serve the city. Now its filled since the 80's with hacks who either consider it a stepping stone to a riding position(MP or MPP) or like so many condo boards people who want to put their personal estetic stamp and social policies in place before fixing the plumbing.
Want better blood? Term limits. Simple. 3 and you are out for good. Perhaps 4 if you go for Mayor( max 2 terms in that position).
But can't work together? The people of the city and its workers do every day. Its just a few politicians on all sides of the political spectrum that can't.
You appear to have a very difficult time understanding more than a few things. Whatever it would have cost to maintain the LRT would have been paid for by ridership and then some. No subsidy required there. Whereas, the subway will cost taxpayers $1billion in operating subsidies just to operate it because the ridership to sustain it is not there and is not projected to be there. So, $0.00 to operate the LRT minus $1billion to operate the subway equals negative $1billion or in plain simple language, $1billion dollars to maintain the STUPID TRAIN, no matter which way to you are inclined to slice it. Add to that the $1billion plus, plus, plus to finance the frikkin thing and oh well, you get the idea.
Not one red cent has been 'saved', that being a savings in the form of lower property taxpayers' payments on their Solid Waste portion of their Utility bill. In fact the opposite is quite true, as property taxpayers have been hit with an increase in their Solid Waste portion of their utility bill. Where are the savings to the taxpayers? Do you know where they are? Show me the savings? All taxpayers can see is an increase on their Utility Bill. I'm not against servicing good transit as you stated, I am against paying $2billion plus, plus, plus for a STUPID TRAIN that will serve maybe 0.3% of the population. The epitome of STUPID especially considering that a much better option is available to serve double the number of riders at ZERO COST to the property taxpayers.
Soknacki does not support privatizing solid waste collection east of Yonge St. Smart man who understands the value of public vs. private sector competition as the most cost effective mode solid waste service delivery.
You fret about the Spadina line extension when such angst is not warranted. As with the LRT, the Spadina extension will not need subsidizing by Toronto taxpayers because ridership merits a subway as the best and most cost effective mode of transit for that corridor, wholly unlike the Scarboro STUPID TRAIN.
Not sure which other way to communicate with passengers aboard THE STUPID TRAIN as facts, evidence, sound reason, merit, value and logic seems to just whisk by them as they speed along inside the dark tunnel that carries their beloved STUPID TRAIN.
Why be offended with a slogan such as STUPID TRAIN, as it aptly describes it for what it is?
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I say again bullshit to your numbers Anbarandy. It will serve a lot more than 0.3 percent of the population. And the numbers for maintenance will either wash or be insignifigant enough to warrent paying them for a Subway.
Still no comment on the vaughn extention really. Again I say bullshit. Maintenence will cost the city. For vaughn users. (Yes I'll pay, I like subways).
How much of the solid waste portion of the bill went up to accomidate the union side of the city. Either way you are fudging numbers there again.
You are a self admitted unionized city worker. Pretty sure with solid waste collection. Its your pretty little perky job you are worried about. After the last strike. I would be too.
Still no comment on the vaughn extention really. Again I say bullshit. Maintenence will cost the city. For vaughn users. (Yes I'll pay, I like subways).
How much of the solid waste portion of the bill went up to accomidate the union side of the city. Either way you are fudging numbers there again.
You are a self admitted unionized city worker. Pretty sure with solid waste collection. Its your pretty little perky job you are worried about. After the last strike. I would be too.
Not true.
The LRT would be paid and run by the province, the city wouldn't pay maintenance. The city is on the hook for the Scarborough subway maintenance.
A measly 8,000 riders a day divided a population of over 2,500,000 equals guess what? 0.32% of the population that the STUPID TRAIN would serve.
Plenty of comment on the Spadina extension, you just choose to ignore reality.
As far as I, or you, or he or she is aware of, not a nickel of the increase in the Solid Waste Collection of the Utility Bill was to accommodate perky union jobs. What we do know though, is that the savings touted by contracting collection to GFL are not showing up in the taxpayer's pockets, now are they. In fact, we are to pay more!!!!
Solid Waste employee, no. De-constructor of bullshit, YES.
Jennifer was right, that it is extremely difficult to counter the bullshit flung from the mouth of El Bullshito Ford and get the truth across to the bobbleheads onboard the STUPD TRAIN. Maybe handing out $20 bills, free hot dogs and fridge magnets in addition to the truth might do the trick.
You claim not to be abroad the STUPID TRAIN, as you see this subway as a wise move, so you should not be offended by my comments.
The number of 8,000 is bullshit. It only covers the supposed walkability to the stations. I know the route. Down an industrial corrider. What about the whole north east end above the 401? Cutting their commute time by 20+ minutes one way? And many others in other parts of scarborough as well.
You're screwing with the numbers. It will service a lot of people.
My vote goes to a candidate who will support the cancellation of LRT and upgrade to subways. Nothing will convince me otherwise. Whatever candidate has the best chance to win with this mandate gets it.
And I'll continue to refute your bullshit numbers. 8,000 is a lie. I'm pretty sure there are a hell of a lot more than that north of the 401.
You're screwing with the numbers. It will service a lot of people.
My vote goes to a candidate who will support the cancellation of LRT and upgrade to subways. Nothing will convince me otherwise. Whatever candidate has the best chance to win with this mandate gets it.
And I'll continue to refute your bullshit numbers. 8,000 is a lie. I'm pretty sure there are a hell of a lot more than that north of the 401.
It will be paid by the same taxpayers. And it will all be rolled into the subsidies the TTC recieves. It won't be separated. How the hell to do do that? Oh. These three stops don't get to run if the funding is short? Gimmee a break!
Do you people realize how big Toronto is? Its the 4th largest Metropolitan area in North America after NY, LA and Mexico City. LRT's aren't a long term solution when our subway system is so inadequate. Butler seems to get it I'm shocked no one else can see the forest for the trees.
And Jenn, Olivia Chow is not the right choice for this city. I agree with you we need a uniter. One who can balance practical solutions with a long term vision. One who understands business and brokering agreements. That person is John Tory, the guy who I voted for in 2003 and should have been Mayor instead of the union patsy Miller.
And Jenn, Olivia Chow is not the right choice for this city. I agree with you we need a uniter. One who can balance practical solutions with a long term vision. One who understands business and brokering agreements. That person is John Tory, the guy who I voted for in 2003 and should have been Mayor instead of the union patsy Miller.
No it won't.
Ford's stupid train in Scarborough will be paid by the full city.
The province's LRT would be paid for by the entire province.
John Tory is a UNITER? Does he support Scarborough Subways the way you do? If I am not mistaken he thinks LRT is the better way.
Groggy. They don't separate funding transfers for different types of transit. They sent a lump sum and it gets allocated. Whoever told you that is wrong. Is the province not funding the the Vaughn extension as well because its a subway? The province supported this in the by-election. The funding will go as the city and the TTC see fit. What you are saying doesn't add up. Sorry dude. 100% wrong. It will run just fine.
As for the 1 billion it will cost according to Anbarandy. Nope. That's 33 million a year. That's 11 million per station. If that's true we have what 65+ stations already? So each one of those cost 11 million? Look at the TTC budget. His numbers don't add up. Its bad propaganda.
