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If you want to participate in US society all you have to do is Apply and Immigrate legally. I don't think anyone has a problem with that form of entry into the country. There also has to be a willingness to participate in the society by Learning the language, Obeying the law, Paying Taxes.
I agree with you when it comes to learning the language, obeying the law and paying taxes. I dislike seeing any kind of material in a different language that is not the official one. For example, some banks in Canada have the English name and then the Chinese name written in their signs, depending on the area they are located. I find totally outrageous to sing the United States national anthem in a language that is not the official one. If you come to a different country you have to adapt to it, not make it your own.

However, applying for immigration legally is really difficult. In Canada, even if you studied in a University here and graduated, the process is difficult. That is paying international tuition and not costing the Government anything. So can you imagine the process that hard working people that have no education would go through? Can you blame them? It's not their fault they do not have the opportunities we have in Canada or in the US. Since Latin American countries were conquered they have been behind.

If you really want to succeed in a Latin American country but you are born in a poor family you will never be able to make it. Parents make their children work in order to survive. Besides, public shools are in a really bad condition and you deal with problems of malnutrition. How can you study if you are starving? In Canada and the United States public schools are way different and even if you are born in a poor family you can succeed. For example, a public school in Canada can be compared to an expensive private school in a Latin American country, which is available only to the high class.

If the United States wants to stop illegal immigration then they should help other countries improve and not pretend they are interested to make them improve but in reality they want their resources. I guess that is what the United States is based on though. Saying that they are going to do one thing but doing the complete opposite...Is like having their cake and eating it too.
 

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You are joking right. There is no similarity at all between the European conquest of North America and the illegal immigrants sneaking into the US.
You are right, there is no comparison because illegal immigrants do not kill people in order to take something that does not belong to them and make it their own. Instead, they are hard working and willing to do the jobs that people in those countries would not do. If you do not want them to continue immigrating illegally then make the employers stop giving them jobs. It's just like prostitution, if you do not want it to continue then stop the Johns from requesting the service but that is not possible. It's simple, there will always be a demand for illegal immigrants (cheap labour) and prostitutes.
 

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You are right, there is no comparison because illegal immigrants do not kill people in order to take something that is theirs. Instead, they are hard working and willing to do the jobs that people in those countries would not do.

Different situation. There was no intention to join in with the local population when the Europeans conquered NorthAmerica. Under the system that existed they were stronger so they took it, much like the Greeks, Romans , Mongols and Aztecs before them. Things are different today, I daresay that had the wave of illigal immigrants acted in an overtly agressive fashion they would have been dealt with in a very forceful way. Here we are talking about the peaceful application of a soveriegn country's laws.
 

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juanbrujo said:
It's not their fault they do not have the opportunities we have in Canada or in the US. Since Latin American countries were conquered they have been behind.
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juanbrujo said:
If the United States wants to stop illegal immigration then they should help other countries improve and not pretend they are interested to make them improve but in reality they want their resources. I guess that is what the United States is based on though. Saying that they are going to do one thing but doing the complete opposite...Is like having their cake and eating it too.
Mr. Juanbrujo, Please note that the foundation of the present day Spanish Culture of Central and South America is one of brutal conquest and obliteration of the pre-existing Native Culture. I would also like to understand how it is that you feel the United States has an obligation to intervene and(attempt)to 'improve' another Country's Social/Economic situation? Sincerely, Jon .
 

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Why is it so hard to understand that most Americans think everyone should stand in the same line to immigrate to the US? Many people want to live here, why give preference to an uneducated unskilled populace that just walks across the desert? Name a country that doesn't demand to control its borders? Tell me how Mexico deals with illegal immigration from its Southern border.

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Why is it so hard to understand that most Americans think everyone should stand in the same line to immigrate to the US? Many people want to live here, why give preference to an uneducated unskilled populace that just walks across the desert? Name a country that doesn't demand to control its borders? Tell me how Mexico deals with illegal immigration from its Southern border.

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Reality is often frustrating. The fact is they are here, by the millions, and we not only allowed it to reach this point, but in many ways embraced it. Simply trying to round everybody up and send them back is beyond impossible, as I would have thought yesterday's protests made abundantly clear.
 

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A retired border patrol agent's letter


Dear Senator Frist:

There is a huge amount of propaganda and myths circulating about illegal aliens, particularly illegal Mexican, Salvadorian, Guatemalan and Honduran aliens.

1. Illegal aliens generally do NOT want U.S. citizenship. Americans are very vain thinking that everybody in the world wants to be a U.S. citizen. Mexicans, and other nationalities want to remain citizens of their home countries while obtaining the benefits offered by the United States such as employment, medical care, in-state tuition, government subsidized housing and free education for their offspring. Their main attraction is employment and their loyalty usually remains at home. They want benefits earned and subsidized by middle class Americans. What illegal aliens want are benefits of American residence without paying the price.

2. There are no jobs that Americans won't do. Illegal aliens are doing jobs that Americans can't take and still support their families. Illegal aliens take low wage jobs, live dozens in a single residence home, share expenses and send money to their home country. There are no jobs that Americans won't do for a decent wage.

3. Every person who illegally entered this nation left a home. They are NOT homeless and they are NOT Americans. Some left jobs in their home countries. They come to send money to their real home as evidenced by the more than 20 billion dollars sent out of the country each year by illegal aliens. These illegal aliens knowingly and willfully entered this nation in violation of the law and therefore assumed the risk of detection and deportation. Those who brought their alien children assumed the responsibility and risk on behalf of their children.

4. Illegal aliens are NOT critical to the economy. Illegal aliens constitute less than 5% of the workforce. However, they reduce wages and benefits for lawful U.S. residents.

5. This is NOT an immigrant nation. There are 280 million native born Americans. While it is true that this nation was settled and founded by immigrants (legal immigrants), it is also true that there is not a nation on this planet that was not settled by immigrants at one time or another.

6. The United States is welcoming to legal immigrants. Illegal aliens are not immigrants by definition. The U.S. accepts more lawful immigrants every year than the rest of the world combined.

7. There is no such thing as the "Hispanic vote". Hispanics are white, brown, black and every shade in between. Hispanics are Republicans, Democrats, Anarchists, Communists, Marxists and Independents. The so-called "Hispanic vote" is a myth. Pandering to illegal aliens to get the Hispanic vote is a dead end.

8. Mexico is NOT a friend of the United States. Since 1848 Mexicans have resented the United States. During World War I Mexico allowed German Spies to operate freely in Mexico to spy on the U.S. During World War II Mexico allowed the Axis powers to spy on the U.S. from Mexico. During the Cold War Mexico allowed spies hostile to the U.S. to operate freely. The attack on the Twin Towers in 2001 was cheered and applauded all across Mexico. Today Mexican school children are taught that the U.S. stole California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. If you don't believe it, check out some Mexican textbooks written for their schoolchildren.

9. Although some illegal aliens enter this country for a better life, there are 6 billion people on this planet. At least 1 billion of those live on less than one dollar a day. If wanting a better life is a valid excuse to break the law and sneak into America, then let's allow those one billion to come to America and we'll turn the USA into a Third World nation overnight. Besides, there are 280 million native born Americans who want a better life. I'll bet Bill Gates and Donald Trump want a better life. When will the USA lifeboat be full? Since when is wanting a better life a good reason to trash another nation?

10. There is a labor shortage in this country. This is a lie. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of American housewives, senior citizens, students, unemployed and underemployed who would gladly take jobs at a decent wage.

11. It is racist to want secure borders. What is racist about wanting secure borders and a secure America? What is racist about not wanting people to sneak into America and steal benefits we have set aside for legal aliens, senior citizens, children and other legal residents? What is it about race that entitles people to violate our laws, steal identities, and take the American Dream without paying the price?

For about four decades American politicians have refused to secure our borders and look after the welfare of middle class Americans. These politicians have been of both parties. A huge debt to American society has resulted. This debt will be satisfied and the interest will be high. There has already been riots in the streets by illegal aliens and their supporters. There will be more. You, as a politician, have a choice to offend the illegal aliens who have stolen into this country and demanded the rights afforded to U.S. citizens or to offend those of us who are stakeholders in this country. The interest will be steep either way. There will be civil unrest. There will be a reckoning. Do you have the courage to do what is right for America? Or, will you bow to the wants and needs of those who don't even have the right to remain here?

There will be a reckoning. It will come in November of this year, again in 2008 and yet again in 2010.

We will not allow America to be stolen by third world agitators and thieves.

David J. Stoddard

U.S. Border Patrol (RET)

Hereford, Arizona
 

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Asterix said:
Reality is often frustrating. The fact is they are here, by the millions, and we not only allowed it to reach this point, but in many ways embraced it. Simply trying to round everybody up and send them back is beyond impossible, as I would have thought yesterday's protests made abundantly clear.
I've said many times that I think the POTUS has the right plan, guest worker program, bring them above ground, document who is hear and set a term on how long they can stay. Anyone who doesn't like that, send them back.

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I just went to the Web sites for our LCBO and Brewers retail, it is not sold here, big surprise, so I may have to take you up on the offer. It would be scary to bring Esco, he might drink it all.
I think Spaten is available at Chester's in Hamilton. It may also be available at Smokeless Joe's in Toronto.
 

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markvee said:
I think Spaten is available at Chester's in Hamilton. It may also be available at Smokeless Joe's in Toronto.
Thanks. I would go for one but papa is chasing me with a sharp knife right now. I'm going to divert his attention with an A-ROD, then run like hell.
 

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Thanks. I would go for one but papa is chasing me with a sharp knife right now. I'm going to divert his attention with an A-ROD, then run like hell.
Don't worry about pops,
He's just practicing some 'cut & paste' with you .......:eek:
 

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It would be good if you could experience both sides before giving an opinion. Go to a Latin American country and live in there to experience the issues instead of just going there because of it's pretty beaches and cheap prostitutes.

What would you do if you were born in a poor family in Latin America? How would you survive? What would you do? Too bad the people that are contemplating immigrating illegaly to the United States cannot give you their opinion because they do not have access to a computer or the Internet.
 

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juanbrujo said:
It would be good if you Gringos could experience both sides before giving an opinion. Go to a Latin American country and live in there to experience the issues instead of just going there because of it's pretty beaches and cheap prostitutes.
I think the biggest problem South America has is corruption. Sorry, can't blame that on W. But, then again, somebody in this forum will find a way to just do that.
 

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juanbrujo said:
It would be good if you could experience both sides before giving an opinion. Go to a Latin American country and live in there to experience the issues instead of just going there because of it's pretty beaches and cheap prostitutes.

What would you do if you were born in a poor family in Latin America? How would you survive? What would you do? Too bad the people that are contemplating immigrating illegaly to the United States cannot give you their opinion because they do not have access to a computer or the Internet.
Are there not poor people in Africa, Asia..... is there some reason that the poor in Latin America should have preferential access to the US?

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Are there not poor people in Africa, Asia..... is there some reason that the poor in Latin America should have preferential access to the US?

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Geography?
 

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Geography?
Ah, brilliant analysis, if you're close it's OK to break the law. That has a nice Clinton “because I could” ring to it.

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onthebottom said:
Are there not poor people in Africa, Asia..... is there some reason that the poor in Latin America should have preferential access to the US?

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Here:

http://faculty.washington.edu/rcolven/Colven_SAfrica/world-map-country-names.gif

Do you notice anything in particular regarding the distance between Latin America, Africa and Asia with respect to the United States.

Also, it does not have anything to do with preferential access. If you are in a situation where you are living in poverty and cannot feed your family then you would be willing to risk your life to cross the border.
 

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Ah, brilliant analysis, if you're close it's OK to break the law. That has a nice Clinton “because I could” ring to it.

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Brilliant analysis OTB.

Now tell us why Cuban immigrants have special rights over others from Latin America. We're waiting.
 

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Ah, brilliant analysis, if you're close it's OK to break the law.
No, just a hell of a lot more likely, and likely to be tolerated as well. As I said, America in many ways encouraged and embraced this situation for years. It has only recently become truly "inconvenient" for us.
 

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LancsLad said:
Here we are talking about the peaceful application of a soveriegn country's laws.
Yes, I forgot that the United States likes to keep everything peaceful. That is why so many countries admire the US.
 
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