Muslim Dad MURDERS his daughte for not wearing the Head Scarf
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Anderson said:
ahh actually every single Israeli military account will tell you that they strolled into East Jerusalem without a single shot being fired at them, because the Jordanians were cowards unlike the Syrians and Egyptians who were left to do all the fighting and dying.
And oh those guys who chased you and almost killed you for smoking hmmm see the welfare draft dodging cases who your ideology has created, how ironic!!!
Not really, berzerker. They did kill and torture in the name of God for centuries, but such physical overreactions to doctrinal differences are of course no longer the norm in Christian churches, as has been pointed out by other posters. The very small handful of Islamic extremists who follow Sharia law or who otherwise corrupt the Koran's teachings, are behaving the same way the larger Christian church behaved a millenium ago. Hence the whipping-up of furor over cartoons and teddy bears. Christianity has moved past that ignorance, including so-called fundamental Christians. The Amish, for example, do not murder their children if that child chooses to join mainstream American society. It is time for that minority of fundamental Islamists to join the 19th century.berzerker said:
haha !
Those damned Jews , always needing somewhere to live !
Not in the ME, not in Europe, too many in Brooklyn ( trust me about this ! ) Lennys' everywhere LOL
so where oh where can we live ???
Pluto ain't even a planet anymore !!!
I know , I know !scouser1 said:we shall see who gets the last laugh when the Zionist wet dream goes the way of apartheid South Africa
Those damned Jews , always needing somewhere to live !
Not in the ME, not in Europe, too many in Brooklyn ( trust me about this ! ) Lennys' everywhere LOL
so where oh where can we live ???
Pluto ain't even a planet anymore !!!
No, it hasn't. Copenhagen has for many hundred of years had a well respected Jewish population,Anderson said:
prominent in the arts, and I suspect finance, although I don't know that. But we consider them
to be danish people of the jewish faith, not jewish people.
Denmark can hold it's head high over its actions. For instance the October 1943 boat lift in which the Danish Fishermen transported more than 8,000 Danish Jews across the strait to Sweden, when it became known that the Germans' were planing to deport Denmark's Jews to the Death Camps.danmand said:
I'm not a big Rosie DiManno fan, but I think this is one of the best columns she's written and she hits the nail right on the head.
In my opinion, Organized religion should not get a pass on debate - whatever the religion might be.
Rosie makes a good point that for some reason multiculturalism seems to have trumped over gender equality and that to me is the one of the core issues associated with the killing of this poor girl. I find it ironic that the hard core left which so espouses equal rights for women has been so silent on this murder.
Rosie DiManno
Piety is the worst sin of all.
It excuses and invests with virtue everything else, as if ordained by God.
Muslims obviously don't have a monopoly on sanctimoniousness, although a great many wear their devoutness with moral superiority, just as their women are made – pressured, coerced and threatened – to wear head covering, at minimum the hijab and at worst the burqa.
Call it modesty, if you like, or submission to faith. I call it submission to faith as demanded by men or simply submission to men.
Subtext: The feminine as shameful, chattel, and sorceress; provocateur of madness in males, just the whiff of her.
In the West, and in scholarly Islamic circles, a scriptural context can be asserted for taking the hijab. Its more absurd defenders, dancing on the head of a pin, have even tried to frame the head covering as feminist expression – rejection of our sexually objectifying culture, the right to self-determination.
In my experience, educated and worldly women who wear the hijab, by choice, are more commonly making a political statement – anti-West, anti-ecumenical, and anti-homogenization.
All of which can be defended, as I must defend a woman's right to wear the hijab, reasonable accommodation afforded, including inside the voter's booth.
But there is no exculpation for tyranny; certainly not for murder.
It may have happened this past week in diverse and self-congratulatory multicultural Greater Toronto. It most certainly happens, routinely, in hardcore religious societies, not just fundamentalist Muslim countries but wherever faith is wielded as behavioural bludgeon – from pockets of polygamous splinter Mormons in the U.S. to rural India to orthodox Jewish settlements on the West Bank and even, until only recent generations, Christian nations that bowed to the sexist catechism of the Vatican.
I don't know if the young, lovely – and purportedly disobedient – Mississauga teen Aqsa Pervez was strangled by her father, as alleged, because she wanted to break with religious and cultural traditions. I do know that a 16-year-old girl, who poured out her frustrations to friends, and had recently taken what must have been the terrifying step of seeking shelter and safety elsewhere, is dead, buried yesterday.
She had not, as older brother Mohammad Shan Parvez, told trailing reporters, "passed away." Her neck was compressed, the life squeezed out of her. Her father, Muhammad Parvez, by all accounts a hard-working cabbie – was remanded in custody on Wednesday; will likely be charged with second-degree murder. Another son, Waqas Parvez, faces a charge of obstructing police in their investigation. Muslim associations decried the alleged killing, sincerely. But there was defensive posturing too – and not just from them. Some women's agencies and activists, firmly setting the hijab aside as a factor in this tragedy, reminded us of the boil that is generic domestic abuse.
Yes, let's blame domestic abuse, because who would absolve violence in the home? So much easier to condemn a common denominator than focus on the details – and we don't know a great deal of what happened in that tidy suburban house. But we do know some things, even if cultural sensitivities would discourage us from confronting the elephant in the room.
Until informed otherwise the conflict that this girl was experiencing within her family, the collision between her yearning for sameness and the otherness upon which her family apparently insisted, an adolescent who wanted to look and dress and act like her peers, is germane. The patriarchy that demands control and obeisance, the disgrace that demands redress – whether violence is spontaneous or planned – is undeniably a component in the mistreatment of girls and women.
The religious strand, the cultural strand – these can't be pulled from the tightly woven fabric of proscriptions against females, too often viewed as a proprietary adjunct to their fathers and brothers. Faith and communal pressures allowed an insular society to tolerate, and then rally protectively around, a cult-like Mormon "prophet'' convicted as accomplice to rape, the Utah charlatan recently imprisoned. Faith, an adherence to doctrine that cringes at the messiness of bodily functions, sends orthodox Jewish women to purify themselves after menstruating. Faith, exploited by a sometimes-ignorant clergy, has steeped the Catholic Church in misogyny so profound the Madonna/Mary Magdalene dichotomy has seeped into pop culture, virgin versus whore, with precious little in between.
It's all grist for debate. But when the issue is Islam, debate – or disagreement – is hazardous.
So even feminist warriors, decades after social emancipation rewrote human rights laws, are leery of giving offence. The Baal of multiculturalism – recast to incorporate radical interpretation of religious and cultural imperatives – has trumped gender equality.
http://www.thestar.com/article/285913
In my opinion, Organized religion should not get a pass on debate - whatever the religion might be.
Rosie makes a good point that for some reason multiculturalism seems to have trumped over gender equality and that to me is the one of the core issues associated with the killing of this poor girl. I find it ironic that the hard core left which so espouses equal rights for women has been so silent on this murder.
Rosie DiManno
Piety is the worst sin of all.
It excuses and invests with virtue everything else, as if ordained by God.
Muslims obviously don't have a monopoly on sanctimoniousness, although a great many wear their devoutness with moral superiority, just as their women are made – pressured, coerced and threatened – to wear head covering, at minimum the hijab and at worst the burqa.
Call it modesty, if you like, or submission to faith. I call it submission to faith as demanded by men or simply submission to men.
Subtext: The feminine as shameful, chattel, and sorceress; provocateur of madness in males, just the whiff of her.
In the West, and in scholarly Islamic circles, a scriptural context can be asserted for taking the hijab. Its more absurd defenders, dancing on the head of a pin, have even tried to frame the head covering as feminist expression – rejection of our sexually objectifying culture, the right to self-determination.
In my experience, educated and worldly women who wear the hijab, by choice, are more commonly making a political statement – anti-West, anti-ecumenical, and anti-homogenization.
All of which can be defended, as I must defend a woman's right to wear the hijab, reasonable accommodation afforded, including inside the voter's booth.
But there is no exculpation for tyranny; certainly not for murder.
It may have happened this past week in diverse and self-congratulatory multicultural Greater Toronto. It most certainly happens, routinely, in hardcore religious societies, not just fundamentalist Muslim countries but wherever faith is wielded as behavioural bludgeon – from pockets of polygamous splinter Mormons in the U.S. to rural India to orthodox Jewish settlements on the West Bank and even, until only recent generations, Christian nations that bowed to the sexist catechism of the Vatican.
I don't know if the young, lovely – and purportedly disobedient – Mississauga teen Aqsa Pervez was strangled by her father, as alleged, because she wanted to break with religious and cultural traditions. I do know that a 16-year-old girl, who poured out her frustrations to friends, and had recently taken what must have been the terrifying step of seeking shelter and safety elsewhere, is dead, buried yesterday.
She had not, as older brother Mohammad Shan Parvez, told trailing reporters, "passed away." Her neck was compressed, the life squeezed out of her. Her father, Muhammad Parvez, by all accounts a hard-working cabbie – was remanded in custody on Wednesday; will likely be charged with second-degree murder. Another son, Waqas Parvez, faces a charge of obstructing police in their investigation. Muslim associations decried the alleged killing, sincerely. But there was defensive posturing too – and not just from them. Some women's agencies and activists, firmly setting the hijab aside as a factor in this tragedy, reminded us of the boil that is generic domestic abuse.
Yes, let's blame domestic abuse, because who would absolve violence in the home? So much easier to condemn a common denominator than focus on the details – and we don't know a great deal of what happened in that tidy suburban house. But we do know some things, even if cultural sensitivities would discourage us from confronting the elephant in the room.
Until informed otherwise the conflict that this girl was experiencing within her family, the collision between her yearning for sameness and the otherness upon which her family apparently insisted, an adolescent who wanted to look and dress and act like her peers, is germane. The patriarchy that demands control and obeisance, the disgrace that demands redress – whether violence is spontaneous or planned – is undeniably a component in the mistreatment of girls and women.
The religious strand, the cultural strand – these can't be pulled from the tightly woven fabric of proscriptions against females, too often viewed as a proprietary adjunct to their fathers and brothers. Faith and communal pressures allowed an insular society to tolerate, and then rally protectively around, a cult-like Mormon "prophet'' convicted as accomplice to rape, the Utah charlatan recently imprisoned. Faith, an adherence to doctrine that cringes at the messiness of bodily functions, sends orthodox Jewish women to purify themselves after menstruating. Faith, exploited by a sometimes-ignorant clergy, has steeped the Catholic Church in misogyny so profound the Madonna/Mary Magdalene dichotomy has seeped into pop culture, virgin versus whore, with precious little in between.
It's all grist for debate. But when the issue is Islam, debate – or disagreement – is hazardous.
So even feminist warriors, decades after social emancipation rewrote human rights laws, are leery of giving offence. The Baal of multiculturalism – recast to incorporate radical interpretation of religious and cultural imperatives – has trumped gender equality.
http://www.thestar.com/article/285913
exactly the point of any argumenta about the ME, they are Americans, Ukrainians, Poles etc who just happen to be Jewish, till Herzel and his buddies later on decided to invent a nationality in a place where none had ever existed!! one was a Muslim from Damascus, a Christian from Baghdad or a Jew from Haifa.danmand said:
Seriously , great word -argumenta !scouser1 said:
Now more importantly, I speak as a Jew who only believes that Jews ( and their kids ) should have the right to live . Thats all. Israel really ensures this , when if Hitler played his cards better and did not choose to fight everyone at the same time ( and exterminate my Grandparents) then maybe he would have suceeded in killing all the Jews -and so many others too !
We want to live , thats all.
In Brooklyn or where ever, just live.
You and I both know ( because you are very intelligent ) that Jews seek peace .
I do not believe in mythology as do you. For me it is only to live,and before you say it , the Arab nations deserve the same as do the Palestinians opps, I mean the Jordanians .TransJorden is very large -have you ever been
Do you believe that it is possible to put the Genie back into the bottle, or is this merely a historical and rhetorical statement?scouser1 said:
I have to believe the latter, because no matter what the rights or wrongs of it might be I believe that Genie and that bottle will never meet again.
Anderson said:
oh you can live wher ever you like!! Flatbush, Haifa or Kiev, but you also have to respect the rights of your neighbour to live in a free and independent viable state and not a Bantustan like creation that Likud wants to see, or the fellow citizens who you claim as equals and who many have served and fought under the Star of David but yet get treated not as such, if you claim to be a democracy then start moving up the bar of expectations in a neighbourhood where they are really low.
Bantustan ????
Now I am really upset that I quit school after grade 11 !!! Grrrr, no wonder I hated teachers so much.
Ok, That is the problem !
Israel cannot and would never destroy themselves while you are correct,
What country could exist by granting votes to people who would vote to destroy it ????
Would you ?
Now I am really upset that I quit school after grade 11 !!! Grrrr, no wonder I hated teachers so much.
Ok, That is the problem !
Israel cannot and would never destroy themselves while you are correct,
What country could exist by granting votes to people who would vote to destroy it ????
Would you ?
Anderson said:
I wouldn't, but the farkin bleeding heart do gooders let the muslims vote in Canada. Pity.
