Sasha, I think that's the problem. Too much free information and too uch technology makes even the simplest things a potential weapon!! At least now we won't have to fight past the massive carry-on bags etc.Sasha Jones said:
New Carry-on Rules: Airlines
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I hope this passes before I leave for Thunder Bay next week... Im borrowing a laptop and I really dont want to check it with the airline, its not mine and I dont want it out of my sight, at least not leaving it with the airline. Im flying WestJet and have never had a problem with them destroying or losing my luggage but I really cant run that risk. I heard this is temporary so im keeping my fingers crossed.
Strongbeau said:
I am sure that cell phones will also soon be banned in banks in Canada... they have been banned in South America for years and recently banks in the USA have adopted this policy.
I wonder if the FBI / CIA / MI5 have thought of this scenario.
A terrorist has explosives surgically implanted under his skin, with a radio receiver of some sort. He goes through and sets off the detector and tells them he has a fake hip or a pacemaker....
Maybe one day, they will end up xraying all passengers prior to boarding.
When flying, they should strip everyone down, and give everyone a jumpsuit to wear, similar to what inmates are given, take away all personal belongings. Scan their clothes, bag them and return them upon arrival at the destinationFat Wheels said:
I have a toiletries bag that has all my lotions and liquids. I always put that bag in my check-in case anyway.
My carry-on bag has my laptop, power adaptors, cd case, eyeglasses, and travel documents.
My carry-on bag has my laptop, power adaptors, cd case, eyeglasses, and travel documents.
They do cavity search on likely suspects, same idea as drug mules that swallowed condoms of drugs.Papi Chulo said:
Heathrow & Amsterdam has several body x-rays for those don't want subject to pat-downs. Few U.S. airport has them, not in use as privacy law unsettled.
No use if flight cancelled/delayed due to weather, missed connecting flights or lost bags. Not often but it happens, especially overseas flights.High_Roller said:
There are some limits and some things the public won't tolerate.
After 9/11, there were numerous complaints from female passengers and flight attendants who said they were inappropriately groped by TSA screeners.
There were several lawsuits from African-American women who sued US Customs for racial profiling because they were getting strip searched upon returning from the Caribbean.
After 9/11, there were numerous complaints from female passengers and flight attendants who said they were inappropriately groped by TSA screeners.
There were several lawsuits from African-American women who sued US Customs for racial profiling because they were getting strip searched upon returning from the Caribbean.
Liquid explosives threaten air travel
"Leave your water bottle behind if you're planning to fly anytime soon. And in London you can't bring an iPod either.
By Declan McCullagh
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
Published: August 10, 2006, 6:15 PM PDT
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Air travelers leaving the United Kingdom on Thursday faced the strictest security measures in years: iPods, cellular phones, laptops, and even books and magazines were no longer permitted as carry-on items.
In a series of public statements, government officials in London and Washington blamed the new restrictions on a terrorist plot to blow up transatlantic airliners, which has led to at least 24 arrests.
"The terrorists' aim was to smuggle explosives onto aeroplanes in hand luggage and to detonate these in flight," Paul Stephenson, Scotland Yard's deputy commissioner, told reporters.
Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff added later in the day that the alleged plotters "planned to carry the components of the bombs, including liquid explosive ingredients and detonating devices, disguised as beverages, electronic devices or other common objects."
Liquid and gel explosives are hardly new, of course. Inventor and industrialist Alfred Nobel began manufacturing nitroglycerin in 1865 in the suburbs of Stockholm, Sweden, calling the explosive mixture by the brand name "blasting oil." Later, Nobel found that if nitroglycerin were diluted with nitrocellulose, it became a more stable, glutinous substance he dubbed "blasting gelatine."
Terrorists have used liquid explosives before, with mixed results.
Ramzi Yousef, who was involved in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, concocted a plan a year later to attack 11 flights traveling from central Asia to the United States. The plot was uncovered in the Philippines in January 1995, two weeks before its execution date, after Yousef and others accidentally started a fire in their apartment and police showed up.
Before he was arrested, Yousef did a trial run with a lower-power bomb. He assembled it in the lavatory of a flight from Manila to Japan and left it on board after he departed on a connecting flight. The bomb exploded, but the Boeing 747 limped to an emergency landing with only one casualty.
Documents found on Yousef's computer that emerged during his trial (Click here for PDF) showed that the plotters had filled bottles of contact lens solution with nitroglycerin and planned to use Casio digital watches as the timers, coupled with two 9-volt batteries in the bomb as a power source. The 9/11 Commission's report said Yousef also had prepared dolls wearing clothes containing nitrocellulose, an explosive compound.
That kind of stealth explosive seems to be what provoked the dramatic reactions by Homeland Security and other officials on Thursday. Some reports said the plotters would conceal their peroxide-based explosives in a sports drink and detonate it with a disposable camera's flash. Others said, however, that the bomb would be "detonated by using heat or friction."
"Travelers are going to be inconvenienced as a result of the steps we've taken," President Bush said while traveling in Wisconsin. "I urge their patience and ask them to be vigilant. The inconvenience...occurs because we will take the steps necessary to protect the American people."
Air travelers flying inside the U.S. are still permitted to bring laptops and electronic devices as carry-on items, though both U.K. and U.S. passengers were generally prohibited from bringing liquids or gels into the passenger cabin.
Nitroglycerin may be one of the easier liquid explosives to create in a rudimentary laboratory, but it's not the only one that could be employed by bomb makers. Other candidates are nitromethane (sometimes used as a cleaning solvent), dithekite, nitroethane, and methyl nitrate (derived from nitric acid). Fixor is a commercial two-component explosive, based on a flammable liquid that's designed to replace plastic explosives, but one which requires a detonator cap.
In other news:
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Saboteurs are believed to have used liquid explosives smuggled on board in a bottle of alcohol to attack Korean Air flight 858 in 1987. The bomb, apparently left on board by passengers who deplaned, killed 115 people and has been attributed to North Korean agents.
Because conventional X-ray machines used at airport security checkpoints can't reliably differentiate between innocuous beverages and liquid explosives, the explosives are difficult to detect.
A report last year from Congress' research arm says that chemical traces often can be detected through screening devices at airports that use puffs of air to dislodge debris, but warned that the "portals" already in use at some airports are expensive and slow.
In addition, the report said, "novel explosive materials will probably not be detected by these systems." Also, if a bomber takes proper precautions, such as carefully sealing containers and not wearing contaminated clothes, those screening devices may not help. "
http://news.com.com/2100-7348_3-6104475.html?part=rss&tag=6104475&subj=news
"Leave your water bottle behind if you're planning to fly anytime soon. And in London you can't bring an iPod either.
By Declan McCullagh
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
Published: August 10, 2006, 6:15 PM PDT
Tell us what you think about this storyTalkBack E-mail this story to a friendE-mail View this story formatted for printingPrint Add to your del.icio.usdel.icio.us Digg this storyDigg this
Air travelers leaving the United Kingdom on Thursday faced the strictest security measures in years: iPods, cellular phones, laptops, and even books and magazines were no longer permitted as carry-on items.
In a series of public statements, government officials in London and Washington blamed the new restrictions on a terrorist plot to blow up transatlantic airliners, which has led to at least 24 arrests.
"The terrorists' aim was to smuggle explosives onto aeroplanes in hand luggage and to detonate these in flight," Paul Stephenson, Scotland Yard's deputy commissioner, told reporters.
Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff added later in the day that the alleged plotters "planned to carry the components of the bombs, including liquid explosive ingredients and detonating devices, disguised as beverages, electronic devices or other common objects."
Liquid and gel explosives are hardly new, of course. Inventor and industrialist Alfred Nobel began manufacturing nitroglycerin in 1865 in the suburbs of Stockholm, Sweden, calling the explosive mixture by the brand name "blasting oil." Later, Nobel found that if nitroglycerin were diluted with nitrocellulose, it became a more stable, glutinous substance he dubbed "blasting gelatine."
Terrorists have used liquid explosives before, with mixed results.
Ramzi Yousef, who was involved in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, concocted a plan a year later to attack 11 flights traveling from central Asia to the United States. The plot was uncovered in the Philippines in January 1995, two weeks before its execution date, after Yousef and others accidentally started a fire in their apartment and police showed up.
Before he was arrested, Yousef did a trial run with a lower-power bomb. He assembled it in the lavatory of a flight from Manila to Japan and left it on board after he departed on a connecting flight. The bomb exploded, but the Boeing 747 limped to an emergency landing with only one casualty.
Documents found on Yousef's computer that emerged during his trial (Click here for PDF) showed that the plotters had filled bottles of contact lens solution with nitroglycerin and planned to use Casio digital watches as the timers, coupled with two 9-volt batteries in the bomb as a power source. The 9/11 Commission's report said Yousef also had prepared dolls wearing clothes containing nitrocellulose, an explosive compound.
That kind of stealth explosive seems to be what provoked the dramatic reactions by Homeland Security and other officials on Thursday. Some reports said the plotters would conceal their peroxide-based explosives in a sports drink and detonate it with a disposable camera's flash. Others said, however, that the bomb would be "detonated by using heat or friction."
"Travelers are going to be inconvenienced as a result of the steps we've taken," President Bush said while traveling in Wisconsin. "I urge their patience and ask them to be vigilant. The inconvenience...occurs because we will take the steps necessary to protect the American people."
Air travelers flying inside the U.S. are still permitted to bring laptops and electronic devices as carry-on items, though both U.K. and U.S. passengers were generally prohibited from bringing liquids or gels into the passenger cabin.
Nitroglycerin may be one of the easier liquid explosives to create in a rudimentary laboratory, but it's not the only one that could be employed by bomb makers. Other candidates are nitromethane (sometimes used as a cleaning solvent), dithekite, nitroethane, and methyl nitrate (derived from nitric acid). Fixor is a commercial two-component explosive, based on a flammable liquid that's designed to replace plastic explosives, but one which requires a detonator cap.
In other news:
* Israel's water wizards of the desert
* Pumping power onto the grid from home
* Intel's 3D boost for open source
* News.com Extra: Finding the world's hottest start-ups
* Video: Pigeons take flight with GPS
Saboteurs are believed to have used liquid explosives smuggled on board in a bottle of alcohol to attack Korean Air flight 858 in 1987. The bomb, apparently left on board by passengers who deplaned, killed 115 people and has been attributed to North Korean agents.
Because conventional X-ray machines used at airport security checkpoints can't reliably differentiate between innocuous beverages and liquid explosives, the explosives are difficult to detect.
A report last year from Congress' research arm says that chemical traces often can be detected through screening devices at airports that use puffs of air to dislodge debris, but warned that the "portals" already in use at some airports are expensive and slow.
In addition, the report said, "novel explosive materials will probably not be detected by these systems." Also, if a bomber takes proper precautions, such as carefully sealing containers and not wearing contaminated clothes, those screening devices may not help. "
http://news.com.com/2100-7348_3-6104475.html?part=rss&tag=6104475&subj=news
Well, IMHO after extensive travel, too many people think that "carry on" means bringing everything on board as carry on instead of checking it in. This includes oversize suitcases, duffle bags, boxes, etc. IMHO carry on means a small hand held bag no bigger than a purse of a briefcase to hold some personal items.
All too often you get held up boarding or leaving because some wingnut snuck a 4' x 2' suitcase on board and either can't stuff it in, or remove if from the overhead compartment.
1) You can't use your cellphone on board anyways so why bring it?
2) IPODS and other mp3 players have only recently become popular and up until now, you had to listen to the crappy airline music so not being able to carry on these items is NO biggy....so you can't listen to your lawerence welk music for a couple of hours, big effin deal.
3) Laptops: again, it has only been the last couple of years that these have become extremely popular. for 40 yrs no one had them so now we're back to that....Hey, if you have work that you could be doing while flying look at it this way: now you've got a much deserved break.
4) Digital Cameras: what do you need a digital camera in your carry on for? You going to take a picture of the flight attendant? That PITA kid in the next row that won't STFU? Put it in your checked baggage.
5) Not too long ago you weren't allowed to bring any outside food or drink on board so what's the big deal? You can't bring food or drink into the ACC or movie theatres so what's the beef with airlines? Tough it up.
Sorry, but these supposedly "tough" new measures are just simply a return to the stricker days in the 70's when hijackings were prevalent. We've gotten away with a lot the last few years but now we're back to the stricker rules....so what? If you don't like it, don't fly...take the train....drive, or just don't go.....
All too often you get held up boarding or leaving because some wingnut snuck a 4' x 2' suitcase on board and either can't stuff it in, or remove if from the overhead compartment.
1) You can't use your cellphone on board anyways so why bring it?
2) IPODS and other mp3 players have only recently become popular and up until now, you had to listen to the crappy airline music so not being able to carry on these items is NO biggy....so you can't listen to your lawerence welk music for a couple of hours, big effin deal.
3) Laptops: again, it has only been the last couple of years that these have become extremely popular. for 40 yrs no one had them so now we're back to that....Hey, if you have work that you could be doing while flying look at it this way: now you've got a much deserved break.
4) Digital Cameras: what do you need a digital camera in your carry on for? You going to take a picture of the flight attendant? That PITA kid in the next row that won't STFU? Put it in your checked baggage.
5) Not too long ago you weren't allowed to bring any outside food or drink on board so what's the big deal? You can't bring food or drink into the ACC or movie theatres so what's the beef with airlines? Tough it up.
Sorry, but these supposedly "tough" new measures are just simply a return to the stricker days in the 70's when hijackings were prevalent. We've gotten away with a lot the last few years but now we're back to the stricker rules....so what? If you don't like it, don't fly...take the train....drive, or just don't go.....
Actually Tboy, as a business traveller many of the things you've mentioned are necessary. Being stuck in a terminal for 2 hours a phone or a laptop is important. Ask any business traveller they'll tell you the same. But I do see your point.
However, I would have absolutely no problem if the government did an extensive background check on frequent flyer's like myself and have some type of approval process to make travelling a bit easier.
However, I would have absolutely no problem if the government did an extensive background check on frequent flyer's like myself and have some type of approval process to make travelling a bit easier.
Don't know about Canada, but the US TSA is experimenting with such a program.Back Burner said:
It's called Registered Traveller, and you need to submit to a background investigation for it.
http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/layers/rt/index.shtm
I hear you, but no where does it say you can't use the restricted items in the terminal, just on the plane......Back Burner said:
Now I realize with the new security screening it takes longer to get into the terminal and on the plane but you can easily use these items up to the point where you have to check them (typically an hour before the flight leaves). Then toss them in your baggage, check them, and you're good to go.
I really can't see why anyone would want to cart around all this gear while waiting for the plane. Personally when I travelled (2 yrs on the road) I LOATHED carting my laptop and briefcase all over hell's half acre. I would have loved to toss that shit into the hold and walk around hands free....
Not on Election Day. That's the day to vote out the Republicans to start articles of impeachment and get to the bottom of this BS. The Romper Room War President with cookies and toy guns cannot be in charge of something he infuriates. His endpoint agenda is to create a single unelected world government and world order.beefy4me said:
The World According to George W. Bush Jr. is democracy in which evil gets elected. His evil.
The Registered Traveller Program doesn't work at all. All the terrorists were British, with more at large in Pakistan because Pakistan won't allow the US Military to go in there and finish the job. A military blockade on Pakistan would be a real step, rather than the world sacrificing everything for the existance of Pakistan. Bush Jr.'s Pakistan.
Gyaos.
Actually, I once tried to place a laptop in my check-in. The airline found it, and told me to take it out, because policy was that you can't check in a laptop.tboy said:
It's a liability issue for them. They don't want me suing because my laptop got lost or damaged while in their care. I have a sneaking suspicion that that's also why you have to take the laptop out of your bag when you go through the metal detector.
I hate carry on too. People are forever banging my head with their dammed bags as the walk down the aisle. Drives me nuts. BUT now with AC's 50 pound check in rule being enforced....Hell two suits, a pair of shoes, and a lap-top et all weighs in over the limit.
For you crazy "water bottle types"..I suggest that at the gate the Airlines offer free/cheap bottle water like they do newspapers. This will ensure that people who want water can get it, BUT, the planes won't have to carry around dead weight.
For you crazy "water bottle types"..I suggest that at the gate the Airlines offer free/cheap bottle water like they do newspapers. This will ensure that people who want water can get it, BUT, the planes won't have to carry around dead weight.
