New labour laws - $15/hour min - 3 weeks vacation

rhuarc29

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Good point. A 2013 report I found said that 9% of workers make minimum wage. Not sure how accurate that is but if true then the impact while still significant is not as bad as I thought. I thought the number was higher.
30% make under $15.
 

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I would like to add to that, ask 10 different economists for their opinion, and you'll get 11 different answers.

Only time will tell who's right and whether this will have detrimental consequences for Ontario's economy. My guess is we'll be allright
And it seems like the 10 self proclaimed economic experts Granny consulted,...dreaming,...never heard of the term,...inflation.
 

JamesDouglas

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Horrible decision by Wynne, she singlehandedly destroyed Ontario's economy. This is likely the worst policy decision in the history of Ontario, which was done solely for the political gain of a failing politician.

How many small business owners will be forced to close their doors because of this? Many. How many large international corporations like McDonald's, WalMart etc., will slash jobs and replace cashiers with self-checkout machines, and self-serve kiosks? All of them. They may even decide that the cost of business is too high in Ontario and start closing many, or all of their stores here.

Many jobs will be lost, many benefits will be cut, many employers will go out of business, and the costs of products will rise across the board. This is a losing proposition for everyone.
 

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How Filipino families are able to live on it and even save some money to send it to their relatives overseas?
the cost of living in lower in the Philipines
 

angrymime666

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I would disagree. is a coffee barrista worth the same as a roofer? fast food employee worth the same as metal fabricator? minimum wage for people who have minimal skills, better wages for people who have valuable skills.

the accumulation of wealth is based on making certain choices in life, most of which is learned from your parents. this is why the cycle of poverty continues generationally in families.

its peoples choices in life that create poverty.....
 

explorerzip

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I would disagree. is a coffee barrista worth the same as a roofer? fast food employee worth the same as metal fabricator? minimum wage for people who have minimal skills, better wages for people who have valuable skills.

the accumulation of wealth is based on making certain choices in life, most of which is learned from your parents. this is why the cycle of poverty continues generationally in families.

its peoples choices in life that create poverty.....
You're assuming that people have the information to make choices. That simply does not exist when families are basically on their own to decide which educational route to take. Many are spending tens of thousands of dollars on a diploma or degree that has no clear path to getting a job. Worse still, we have not taught students the financial realities once they get out on their own like budgeting, paying rent, buying a car, house, etc. The craziness of the real estate market is more proof that people are doing really dumb things with their money.
 

Keebler Elf

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What this will mean is more small businesses closing their doors for good as they won't be able to compete with the big players.
Which is what you will hear from EVERY employer EVERY time anyone EVER brings up raising the minimum wage. But I'm sure there's a utopian day somewhere in our future where employers will say "Gee whiz, increase the minimum wage? Sounds like a GREAT idea!" (insert sarcasm).

This is WHY government must force an increase to minimum wage. Employers will never endorse it on their own; there is no "Good" time to do it from their perspective.

That said, I have a lot more sympathy on the sick days and vacation. Those are more social issues than economic ones and doing all of this at the same time may not be the smartest move. The last time the Liberals made a social policy change like this it was on Green energy and we all saw how well that played out.

On the whole, I think raising the minimum wage is probably the right thing to do. The other stuff I'm less supportive of.
 

Keebler Elf

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the accumulation of wealth is based on making certain choices in life, most of which is learned from your parents. this is why the cycle of poverty continues generationally in families.

its peoples choices in life that create poverty.....
Love it. The elitism and privileged attitude of someone not living in poverty.

It's YOUR fault you're poor!!! Tough shit!!!
 

rhuarc29

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On the whole, I think raising the minimum wage is probably the right thing to do. The other stuff I'm less supportive of.
Agreed. But I don't think jolting the system by raising the minimum wage 22% in half a year's time from now, then an additional 9% a year later, is the right way to go about it.
Tie the current minimum wage to inflation + 2% (max) per year for the next five years. Then take stock.
 

rhuarc29

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What really pisses me off about this is the obvious political nature of the decision. This is the Liberal's Hail Mary to save themselves, and they're doing it at the expense of Ontario. It's fucking disgusting. I can't think of any other major decision made by a political party at any level of government in my life that was as stupid and self-serving as this one. Being fiscally conservative, but socially liberal, I'm always on the fence about who to vote for. Not only has Wynne guaranteed I'll never vote for her, but she's sullied her party in my eyes. The Conservatives could run a sack of potatoes in this election and I'd vote for it. Because at least that sack wouldn't do further harm to our province!

On the positive side, I was grabbing a burger from Harvey's today and the workers were discussing this decision. All three of the ladies behind the counter were skeptical that this would help them. The eldest was saying that even if they were making more money, the price of everything they have to buy is going to go up anyway, so they're going to be just as broke (her words) as they already are, just with fewer customers. I tipped them a tenner for having the common sense to see through the bullshit and we had a good laugh at Wynne's expense.
 

frankcastle

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I would disagree. is a coffee barrista worth the same as a roofer? fast food employee worth the same as metal fabricator? minimum wage for people who have minimal skills, better wages for people who have valuable skills.

the accumulation of wealth is based on making certain choices in life, most of which is learned from your parents. this is why the cycle of poverty continues generationally in families.

its peoples choices in life that create poverty.....
But some choices are made for you before you were born.

Also, even though you want to pick a certain choice your circumstances might not allow it. e.g. you want to go to university but don't have the funds to do so.
 

frankcastle

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So let's say this goes through. How much will the coffee and doughnut go up at Tim Hortons?
 

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So let's say this goes through. How much will the coffee and doughnut go up at Tim Hortons?
Might not go up at all. They studied this in Seattle and found the workers made about the same amount per week, as they were given fewer hours. So costs to the business could be about the same.

More small businesses will avoid these rules by offering to pay staff cash.
 

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Surprised there's not already a thread on this:

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/05/29/province-to-raise-minimum-wage-update-labour-laws-tuesday-wynne

Main points seem to be:
•$15/hour minimum wage by 2019
•3 weeks paid vacation for employees of 5 years or more
•10 mandated emergency leave days, two of them paid
•Equal pay for part time workers as full time workers [not sure what this means]
3 hours pay for shift work cancelled within 48 hours of shift :Eek:

As 30% of Ontario employees make less than $15/hour, this is a major change even before the other items. Add in those items and you have a radical overhaul!
Thoughts?

Not even our unionized construction workers have this!
 

GPIDEAL

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But again, how much of this is really true?

I know a Realtor who filed his tax return for $600 in annual income
Rest was write offs
You & I both know he did not need to spend what he did
I'd be surprised if he wasn't flagged for an audit, especially if he's a full timer working the whole year.
 

GPIDEAL

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People hear "McDonalds" and think of the multinational corporation, but 75% of McDonalds' are franchises, owned by small business persons.
It takes a lot of dough to own a McDonald's franchise as well as the location. I wouldn't call them a mom and pop shop.
 
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