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GPIDEAL

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That stupid cunt needs to be stopped. How fucking brain dead can Wynne be. I'm sure it's just a tactic to get re elected next year so the liberals can totally destroy Ontario to a point of no return. Look what they did in the last budget by making prescriptions free for those under 24.
I'm not necessarily against her proposals here BUT it's already bad enough for youths to find jobs or part-time jobs.

What about stimulating the economy to increase jobs?

Without jobs, raising wage rates and benefits, might be to little or no avail.
 

happ

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Give em whatever per hour they want theyll still spend it on beer, smokes and canada goose
 

frankcastle

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Then again maybe the cost of pay raises might mean joe is less likely to break into my house.
 

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Then again maybe the cost of pay raises might mean joe is less likely to break into my house.
You are assuming that Joe actually wants a job,...even at $15/hr
 

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It takes a lot of dough to own a McDonald's franchise as well as the location. I wouldn't call them a mom and pop shop.
It's also near impossible to buy into a McD's franchise these days. The prohibitive cost is the obvious issue, but head office is only interested in experienced franchisers. Those type of people don't buy just one location.
 

explorerzip

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I'm not necessarily against her proposals here BUT it's already bad enough for youths to find jobs or part-time jobs.

What about stimulating the economy to increase jobs?

Without jobs, raising wage rates and benefits, might be to little or no avail.
Invest in financial education in schools to reduce the number of students spending big money on useless programs and end up stuck with low wage jobs.
 

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Invest in financial education in schools to reduce the number of students spending big money on useless programs and end up stuck with low wage jobs.
this solution seems so obvious that I am prepared to believe that it has been considered and rejected because public schools producing low IQ low income taxpayers makes more sense for the elite. I am not at all into conspiracy theories but seriously, how the fuck schools don't explain to you most basic shit like what the economics of an individual or a small family should be, how to qualify for a mortgage or even rent, etc.
Why women who go for masters and PhD in gender studies are not told that statistically they will more likely end up in sex industry than become professors? Why do we need to learn shit from smart friends rather than from schools?
 

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this solution seems so obvious that I am prepared to believe that it has been considered and rejected because public schools producing low IQ low income taxpayers makes more sense for the elite. I am not at all into conspiracy theories but seriously, how the fuck schools don't explain to you most basic shit like what the economics of an individual or a small family should be, how to qualify for a mortgage or even rent, etc.
Why women who go for masters and PhD in gender studies are not told that statistically they will more likely end up in sex industry than become professors? Why do we need to learn shit from smart friends rather than from schools?
Meanwhile the United States and Canada do not produce enough people with degrees in science, engineering and math to fill the high paying technology jobs so we wind up having to bring immigrants from China, Russia, and India where they do study those things.

The problem is high paying jobs now require hard work that no American wants to do.

People then vote for populists like Trump who tell them that they've been cheated by elites and that he will get them all high paying jobs in factories and mines that don't require anything more than a highschool diploma.
 

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This is a pure vote grab. How many years in power and suddenly a drastic step to raise minimum wage and benefits. No cost to the Liberals since they get no votes from business owners anyway and they knew that.
What will happen over the next few years will be increased mechanization and replacement of $15 to 17$ human workers with robots and the like. The more expensive the employee, particularly the one with low skills, the more likely the employer will invest in technology. And many businesses will just close.
Take the example of the supermarket. Lots of cashiers and shelf stockers. They already have the self operated checkout where 4 checkouts are supervised by one human. Lots of people seem to prefer the human cashier but that could change in a hurry if food prices have to go up 10% because of increased wages and benefits. What if the supermarket offered a discount, say 5% to those who use self checkout, increase the number of self checkout kiosks, let 75% of their lowest paid staff go and hold the line on the price increases? I believe modern warehouses are largely operated by robots. What if supermarkets were able to stock shelves using a system of robots?
If raising the minimum wage were to solve any social or economic problems, then why not raise it to $25. If raising the minimum wage and benefits worked then the Soviet Union would still be around.
The economic and social problems are real but it is not up to the employer to solve them
 

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Wait a minute!! Maybe this is what Wynne meant when she says the Ontario Government is investing in technology?
 

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Tie the current minimum wage to inflation + 2% (max) per year for the next five years. Then take stock.
Probably a much better way to do it. But it doesn't get the Liberals the ZING they want/think they'll get by making it take effect immediately.
 

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People then vote for populists like Trump who tell them that they've been cheated by elites and that he will get them all high paying jobs in factories and mines that don't require anything more than a highschool diploma.
I don't think they even think it through that far. They just hear "Make America great again!" and think this is a guy who will do something different from the status quo."
 

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I've resisted automation for many years. I like to employ people but it is getting harder and harder to do so. My business is not seeing record profits, we are doing ok, but profit keeps dropping year after year and we can only raise prices every so often. I pay minimum wage to a few people, but I hear other staff expects a raise as they will be closer to minimum wage if this increase takes effect. That's not going to happen. I do give 3 weeks after 5 years already and 4 weeks after 10 years. So no issues here.
So, option 1 is to invest in better production equipment thus reducing the need for staff. No new hires and not replace anyone that leaves. Equipment is paid off in 4 to 5 years.
Or Option 2: Move out of province, or even to Buffalo, where energy costs, rent, taxes, and most everything else are lower.
As an employer, I can tell you one thing, raising minimum wage will have a negative effect on my small company hiring anyone.
 

rhuarc29

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I've resisted automation for many years. I like to employ people but it is getting harder and harder to do so. My business is not seeing record profits, we are doing ok, but profit keeps dropping year after year and we can only raise prices every so often. I pay minimum wage to a few people, but I hear other staff expects a raise as they will be closer to minimum wage if this increase takes effect. That's not going to happen. I do give 3 weeks after 5 years already and 4 weeks after 10 years. So no issues here.
So, option 1 is to invest in better production equipment thus reducing the need for staff. No new hires and not replace anyone that leaves. Equipment is paid off in 4 to 5 years.
Or Option 2: Move out of province, or even to Buffalo, where energy costs, rent, taxes, and most everything else are lower.
As an employer, I can tell you one thing, raising minimum wage will have a negative effect on my small company hiring anyone.
Although my company doesn't pay anyone under $15/hour, I called a meeting to discuss how we could mitigate those above $15/hour expecting a raise and the other issues (+1 week vacation, 10 days emergency leave) as employee absenteeism is the biggest problem we already have. We're a growing small business and were anticipating hiring 2 - 3 workers next year. We were also expecting to extend additional benefits to our employees. Both of those are on hold until we see how this shakes out. Instead of hiring, we will be outsourcing some existing labour and shifting those employees to the areas we would have been hiring for. The outsourced work is for work at the beginning of our process chain, areas where a disruption would cause numerous dependency issues further down the line. Just simpler and safer to outsource it now.

After NAFTA talks, there's nothing like adding more uncertainty for businesses!
 

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That's why I said "Joe" instead of Joes.
So this whole initiative by Granny was to take one criminal off the streets,...???

Sounds rather narrow minded of her,...but,...we've seen this before.
 

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So this whole initiative by Granny was to take one criminal off the streets,...???

Sounds rather narrow minded of her,...but,...we've seen this before.
It could have been worst! Granny would have gone after John, not Johns, but just John.

 
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