Even if no increased cost the perception of increased cost is an excuse to raise prices
New labour laws - $15/hour min - 3 weeks vacation
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Sure some of them would. Is every person out there employable? No. Does everyone want to work? No. But my point is that SOME people might be less likely to turn to crime if they can make a go of it at the new minimum wage.
Just take a look at the education and reading level of inmates in Canada. Most of them are poorly educated which means their job prospects are slim beyond min wage. Were all of them born stone hard criminals OR were SOME of them just desperate.
It costs over 100K per year to house one inmate. If even a few stay out of prison and work minimum wage jobs it is worth it. That 100K doesn't even include all the other costs that criminal causes society.
Here's a study.....
Heller studied about 1600 Chicago high school students who were enrolled in high violence Chicago schools. During the summer, half were given jobs at minimum wage, along with some counseling.** The other half were unemployed.** For 13 months following the program she tracked the rate at which the participants were arrested for violent crimes.
She found that the teenagers that were employed were 43% less likely to be arrested for a violent crime than the unemployed youths. Heller noted that violent crimes are mostly committed by individuals who have a deficit in “self-control, social information processing and decision-making” which are all skills learned through the workplace experience.
Now I will admit there are people on both sides of the argument.
I'm not sure if the minimum wage increase is a good idea.... all I was stating was my belief that it may have some benefits.
Dude,...I agree with a lot of your open minded post.
Initially I was just giving you and Granny a hard time,... and it got out of control.
On the other hand GM Canada hired people as supplemental work force employees, they said this category was needed to address short term labour needs. They paid them much less than full time employees. People in this "short term need" category started in the early 2000's.
They did the exact same jobs as full time employees making much more and are still working for GM.
I'm predicting the Conservatives take the next election and this is water under the bridge. This coming from a Liberal voter, I'm tired of old resting bitch face.
All of this information is readily available on the interweb (Employment Standards website) and as we all know the kiddies are technologically savvy enough to find and learn on their own.
The fact they can't be bothered is their problem.
Few businesses will like this policy, but the big corporations which are the posterchild of low wages (McDonald's and any shopping mall store) are the ones who will worry the least. They can absorb the costs, or simply cut hours or cut staff to balance out the wages being paid out. It's not like the policy has other rules like maintaining existing employee count and hours.
It's the smaller businesses with employees at $10-11 going to $15 that will hurt the most.
Problem is, all the business owners over the years fighting $15/hr wages seem to come from the big boys. Where's all the small businesses fighting policy? I didn't see it.
For people a the bottom fighting for $15/hr, I hope they are going to put in effort to do the best job they can, brush up the resume, and know what they are getting themselves into. It's not like many businesses with lots of employees transitioning to $15/hr will keeps things status quo. There will be shift cuts and people let go. And the best people will be kept.
It's not like money is unlimited.
If it was, heck I want a pay bump too. Instead of that usual 2-3% annual bump, I want a 30% bump like the guys making min wage.
It's the smaller businesses with employees at $10-11 going to $15 that will hurt the most.
Problem is, all the business owners over the years fighting $15/hr wages seem to come from the big boys. Where's all the small businesses fighting policy? I didn't see it.
For people a the bottom fighting for $15/hr, I hope they are going to put in effort to do the best job they can, brush up the resume, and know what they are getting themselves into. It's not like many businesses with lots of employees transitioning to $15/hr will keeps things status quo. There will be shift cuts and people let go. And the best people will be kept.
It's not like money is unlimited.
If it was, heck I want a pay bump too. Instead of that usual 2-3% annual bump, I want a 30% bump like the guys making min wage.
So true.
But even if kids are educated how to budget and which career fields pay the best, I still think lots of students won't really care. You can teach a kid the concept of money (income vs expenses), but the second that new iPhone or tablet comes out, there's goes $500.
Many will still do what they feel like, get a shitty job and then expect the government to bail them out.
Also, the jobs that pay best are usually highly technical or require a good head (science, engineering, medical, business, law etc...). Don't get me wrong, that trusted plumber can rake in the cash too, but as a whole field, certain fields pay more than others.
Problem is, some student don't give a shit, aren't smart enough, or prefer more floaty programs like humanities. So even if told where to go for good stable jobs in demand, they'll still be psychology major.
On the plus side, I know many people who floated with low end majors, but got lucky...... the went back to school to get teaching certificate and some landed a nice cozy teaching job. The 10 year club is something like $90k/yr with full benefits.
"Problem is, all the business owners over the years fighting $15/hr wages seem to come from the big boys. Where's all the small businesses fighting policy? I didn't see it."
Its hard as a small business owner to individually have a voice.That is why many smart small business owners join trade groups like the CFIB or restaurant associations to voice their concerns for them.This is also going to drive the underground economy.
Its hard as a small business owner to individually have a voice.That is why many smart small business owners join trade groups like the CFIB or restaurant associations to voice their concerns for them.This is also going to drive the underground economy.
How does that work? Even if they win the next election, all the labour law adjustments and the $14/hour min come into effect on January 1st, 2018...before the election. The only thing they can avoid is the bump from $14 to $15 in 2019. Everything else will be in effect, and I can't see them having the political will to reverse any of it, but especially the minimum wage.
B freaking S. People who have a strong work ethic don't take all of their vacation. The people that are at minimum at wage all of their life have no work ethic it is the reason they are at minimum wage their whole lives (of course there are exceptions), People that lack work ethic at going to take every last minute of their vacation and sick time. They don't give a rat's ass about being canned.
True.
We get 5 sick days a year in the office, and 2-3 "personal days". You always know which people will suddenly get sick near a long weekend, and somehow crisis personal days happen around Christmas break time.
These days are suppose to be if you are legitimately sick, or need time off for something important like moving, a wedding you attending etc... Not to be added on as 8 extra days of vacation.
One time, I took a Friday off and decided to go to the mall. A coworker said he was going to take a personal day the same day for an important family event.
I bumped into him at the fucking mall. He was there shopping... bags in hand... with his girlfriend.
And I would bet that the kids that were employed and avoided violence would have avoided violence if they were employed or not.
The type of kid that gets involved in crime almost always has no foundation in his life. No one to guide him from day one. Why in the hell would this type of person chose to work in a minimum wage job when he can sell drugs and make 100x what he makes at McDonald's? You could lay a job with excellent opportunity (and McDonald's is an excellent opportunity) right at one of these kids' feet and they are going to tun it down.
Pin head college professors have no idea how the real world works. Lets see a study on a program and reaches out to kids with a criminal background and see how long they stick with the job.
Take a look at top 10% wage earners..... people over 80K.... you'll find people in business, medicine AND construction
Read again.... they took 1600 kids and split them in half.... presumable it was random..... so to have a difference of 43% less likely is pretty remarkable.
Construction? Hard to believe, but I don't think that really makes a difference for kids nowadays. With so many accustomed to the net and not really doing anything active anymore (what ever happened to bike riding, playing in the park, street hockey etc....?), I don't think many would go into construction.
Most would rather stare at a tablet at the dinner table.
No problem,...I'll just continue to give you a hard time,...
At least we agree on something,...
I don't know where it's at, but unless a snap election is called this year, its implementation will not be decided by the election of a Conservative premier.
