I have also performed lavatory maintenance in the long ago past. To this end, I must ask the one question that has festered in my mind for many moons. Why do only women drop unflushable logs into the toilet. Those horrible shits that require the cleaner to go outdoors to find a stick to break it up into flushable pieces. Why, oh, why?
New min wage and tipping
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Cost more but save money on tips so all evens out. And if service is bad it would reflect on the restaurant and repeat customers.
I worked many years as a server and bartender and I am in hospitality management now and yes I can confirm that 99% of the establishments will require a mandatory TIP-OUT of 4% to 7.5% base on sales. So if a customer decides on a bill totaling $100 that he or she wont tip a penny the server will be on the hook for at least $4.
I totally agree that tipping is a privileged and not a right and many service industry people do feel "entitled' however I can say that many do also bust their rears and do their jobs with heart and passion.
Are we in the 90's? You cant compare info from 20-25 years ago. You are all on an ESCORT review board and won't tip a server 15%?
That's true but it's more indirect. Today there's an immediate link between service quality and the server's income. The long term reputation of the restaurant is much less directly linked to the server's income. You at least need a manager to detect the service quality and then take an effective action to reward or punish.
So service quality will likely decline, and in fact that's what your see in the UK. Fancy and prestigious restaurants have unbelievably good service, but they're not paying minimum wage either. Your neighborhood pub or eatery generally has awful service
Sure you can, everything is relative,
The point is , 15 per hr should be acceptable and tipping should end except for exceptional service.
This is the Australian playbook and its friggen expensive to live in Australia as is Toronto
Again, all relative
The fact we are on a review board has no baring on the topic ,this topic could just as easily be on
The. Etobicoke moms blog
Again to clarify, bartenders are in a separate catagory. Food servers are in the general population
And IMHO . A cashier in a busy food store works as hard as a server and we don't tip them
Db
Juno if you think being a server is a difficult job it's really no surprise to me you ended up selling your body for $
Try a job with real stress like a doctor, lawyer, dentist, etc. Do you tip them?
Wow talk about a disrespectable post. Chill out man. And comparing tipping to a server or service provider making minimum wage to a professional earning a six figure salary really makes no sense. I agree the amount you tip should reflect the quality of service but remember that they have to be able to survive on their earnings just like the rest of us.
Where did I ever say I don't. Maybe you should read peoples posts and don't assume.
Comparing to 20-25 years ago is completely fair. Another thing too.... back then tipping expectations weren't 15-20%. It was more like 10%.
And since the early 90s (right around when I was a waiter), they enacted GST. So what a lot of people due for sake of ease calculation tip is just to give it based on the final price after tax. The more tax added (GST at the time was I think 7%), the more tip someone got from pure luck.
That's the difference between you and me who have both been servers. You expect mandatory 15%+ tipping, while I think tipping is a absurd expectation.
I think it has to do with age. I'm probably 20 years older than you. Expectations from my generation were more about hard work and not complaining. Do a good job and get rewarded. Don't expect automatic payouts.
Exactly.
Being a server is monkey work. You take orders, bring them food, which cooks make. Bring drinks which a bartender makes, you pour water, clear a table and handle the bill. Big fucking deal. I've been a waiter myself when I was about 20. You make way more money than what a whining waiter claims. And way more than any fast food worker or guy at the mall trying to sell you jeans and sweaters. Whereas someone flipping burgers has a valid claim making $11 at Burger King won't get them far. A waiter making $9/hr and getting tips will far exceed $9/hr. As long as you work at a half decent eatery, you should avg at least $20/hr. It's not hard getting about $10/hr tip. In fact, the avg 4 person table with an $80 bill at Jack Astors will probably give $10 alone. Now multiply that by all the tables handled that night and every server should get at least $100 tip per night. Ok, there's some slow nights with cheapskates or bad weather. But then there's good nights and holidays where's it's jam packed and every table is tipping big time because it's a happy occasion.
I did, and that was in the early 90s.
Food costs more now, tips are expected at 15% minimum. So to not be able to clear $100 tip per night is slim.
looks like you don't even understand what ? signifies,...
Google it,...then get back to me.
I get what you are saying but unfortunately the service will be the same as people who don't tip. There's no sign on your forehead that saids I tip well... Give me better service.
Tipping is the most idiotic idea ever and mostly an American thing. In some parts of the world, it is an insult. Just pay wages not having to rely on the silly tipping crap. Only low paid folks get tips, it is an insult like giving to charity since the employer won't pay them fairly. Forget tipping and build in proper wages based on supply demand and include it in the price. That is far more fair than silly tipping.
Yes I usually tip 20% only because I feel its an obligation not because I like it. I also go to fast food places a lot so don't have to do silly tipping game
Another way tipping will be eliminated is robotics. In Asia, in some places, even the food is delivered by robots. I have some pictures of them on a report I did awhile ago. I forgot to look at the airport when I arrived via Air Canada. I recall last year this huge eating area that eliminating ordering with humans and very efficient central kitchen pod. Each table has a popup to order from, cell phone power connections etc.
In all industries as wages grow there is becoming more and more automated. Robots don't get raises, don't get sick time or the new idea of paid family lead. Factories are now highly automated. Asia is far ahead of the U.S. in making manufacturing to food service more efficent replacing humans with robots.
Workers have to learn today's skills. There is a huge unmet labor demand some of the highest number of available jobs in the U.S. in history, but not enough qualified applicants to fill them. That is why we need so many workers from Asia who take education more seriously and have the skills we so badly lack in the U.S. It may not be as bad in Canada since you have more sensible immigration policy more based on work skills etc vs family ties in the U.S.
In all industries as wages grow there is becoming more and more automated. Robots don't get raises, don't get sick time or the new idea of paid family lead. Factories are now highly automated. Asia is far ahead of the U.S. in making manufacturing to food service more efficent replacing humans with robots.
Workers have to learn today's skills. There is a huge unmet labor demand some of the highest number of available jobs in the U.S. in history, but not enough qualified applicants to fill them. That is why we need so many workers from Asia who take education more seriously and have the skills we so badly lack in the U.S. It may not be as bad in Canada since you have more sensible immigration policy more based on work skills etc vs family ties in the U.S.
lol that is a losing battle because no matter what you do tip, someone else is tipping better
Society in general promotes 20%+
*shrugs*
Call me selfish but isn't taking money out of someone else's pocket the first rule of capitalism?
When I sell my car I want the best price
When I sell my house I want the best price
When I buy groceries I want the best price
etc
Heck even in some job types you are in direct competition with someone else as to who can fleece the general public for the most money
But then the obvious answer is get a better job
Lowest I ever made in my life was $12 / hr (and this was a long time ago, min wage probably was 9 to 10 back then I would guess)
Why work at worst job then complain about low pay?
