For sure it's some of it a cultural thing. If your taught as a young person you whole life not to tip for reason XYZ, and all your family relatives don't do it, for sure mind set will be skewed to think there's nothing wrong with it.
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For sure it's some of it a cultural thing. If your taught as a young person you whole life not to tip for reason XYZ, and all your family relatives don't do it, for sure mind set will be skewed to think there's nothing wrong with it.
I think that may be where some of the offensive is taken.
Black people are cheap!
That is what is heard. That is all that is heard.
But in context to say a Jamaican family who have parents that came straight from the island, there was no reason for parents to ever tip, and they come here and continue on, and show the same to their children. Also, parents coming from island sure as shit, know how to stretch a buck. Again, they had no choice but to learn. So even though you are now in a better place, you still hoard that dollar and make it buy everything but the kitchen sink. That is also what generally gets passed down to kids.
Now flip the coin to a family who is already a 6th generation Canadian who saw grandparents, parents, aunts and uncles, all leaving money on the table after the Sunday trip to Swiss Chalet, and you have a born and bred tipper.
I think we have not just become a society that is overly PC for the sake of being PC, but overly offended over the smallest things. The fact is each race has its ups and downs in history, good and bad, rights and wrongs about them. Each races brings so many great things to Canada, and we celebrate that, so why can we not discuss some of the negatives in an attempt to bring about change, without people getting so butt hurt. Whether that change is being more tolerant and acceptable of the differences, or if that change is bringing about more assimilation into the Canadian norm.
Black people are cheap!
That is what is heard. That is all that is heard.
But in context to say a Jamaican family who have parents that came straight from the island, there was no reason for parents to ever tip, and they come here and continue on, and show the same to their children. Also, parents coming from island sure as shit, know how to stretch a buck. Again, they had no choice but to learn. So even though you are now in a better place, you still hoard that dollar and make it buy everything but the kitchen sink. That is also what generally gets passed down to kids.
Now flip the coin to a family who is already a 6th generation Canadian who saw grandparents, parents, aunts and uncles, all leaving money on the table after the Sunday trip to Swiss Chalet, and you have a born and bred tipper.
I think we have not just become a society that is overly PC for the sake of being PC, but overly offended over the smallest things. The fact is each race has its ups and downs in history, good and bad, rights and wrongs about them. Each races brings so many great things to Canada, and we celebrate that, so why can we not discuss some of the negatives in an attempt to bring about change, without people getting so butt hurt. Whether that change is being more tolerant and acceptable of the differences, or if that change is bringing about more assimilation into the Canadian norm.
I routinely tip 20%.
I have seen many restaurants where they write on menu the 20% tip is considered normalI very rarely tip 20% only in exceptional circumstances. If service is relatively poor I only tip 10%, if it's adequate 15%, if it's good 18%. 90% of the time it's 15-18%. This is of the total including taxes.
Talk about jokes
You really do not understand what you just typed in this quote is racist? Seriously?Nothing racist in my post all
All I'm doing is calling a spade a spade. No not all black people are cheap. Are many? Yes. I'm simply stating facts
This line is also racistYou never posted that you are a black person, but I'm guessing you and spraggamuffin are. How am I coming to this conclusion? Because your both defending it's okay not to tip. Now lets see, are you? Am I right?
Just wow...
Generalizations like this equal racismThey used to hate when black guys would come in because they would order a coke, nurse it for 2 hours and not even tip on the one coke. Again, this isn't being racist, this is stating facts. This is what would happen.
No you are racist because of what you postAm I racist because I'm aware that this is a common thing for escorts?
So in the end I suppose I would winThis thread pretty much has everyone for tipping, except two people. You and Muffin. His handle sort of gives it away but I'm guessing he's black too.
If your going to take the position it's okay not to tip servers, in a culture where it's expected to the point some of our labour laws are based around it, then be ready to get criticized for it, especially if your going to discuss it in a public forum.
My date thinks I am cheap and your date learns you are a racist
I'd rather not tip
I'd also suggest you be "prepared for criticism" if you insist on "going there"
Not that it matters but no I am not black
Care to make another sweeping racial generalization about any more races you suspect I might be?
So all American business men are white?As a server who worked every floor imaginable for 20 years I can say with certainty that Black people are the worst tippers period. I don't know why but they are.
We are talking 5% or less as a rule. Next worst were Chinese at pretty much 10% across the board but they are very easy to take care of, in and out quickly to turn the table as well.
Black people would be slow, difficult, demanding, condescending on top of it. Fortunately they are also too cheap to dine out much so tables of them were rare. And my hostesses liked me so they would steer them to other sections when possible.
Best tables ever were American business guys. One table of four could make my night.
And that's just an observation. I still served them to the best of my ability because occasionally they would surprise me(and I take pride in my work).
It is what it is. Could be cultural. Australians were the same. I would put it down to ignorance but if you are traveling regularly then you should pick up and defer to local customs.
And all black / asian men are? What unemployed?
It is hilarious a thread on tipping has degenerated into outright racism and you guys trying to defend it as "truth"
See this is the reason I love terb
The absurd ideas of a group of people who do not fit into society but seem to think they do
Comedy gold
lol beyond being ridiculously racist I will throw some cold water on this idea as wellBlack people are cheap!
That is what is heard. That is all that is heard.
Now flip the coin to a family who is already a 6th generation Canadian who saw grandparents, parents, aunts and uncles, all leaving money on the table after the Sunday trip to Swiss Chalet, and you have a born and bred tipper.
I am a 7th generation Canadian lol and do not tip
Born and bred my ass
Older gen people had no peer pressure to tip and lived through things like depression where you had to stretch every nickel (unlike today where most of our money is disposable income to spend as we see fit)
Discussion of what? lolThe fact is each race has its ups and downs in history, good and bad, rights and wrongs about them. Each races brings so many great things to Canada, and we celebrate that, so why can we not discuss some of the negatives in an attempt to bring about change, without people getting so butt hurt. Whether that change is being more tolerant and acceptable of the differences, or if that change is bringing about more assimilation into the Canadian norm.
You really want to front the idea all blacks are poor tippers, cheap, and you think they should change?
Hey, hey, hey!
I was a waiter too. And even worse, a busboy before that. If people think waiters and servers have it bad be a busboy. You do all the dirty grunt work, the waiters handle the easier parts of the job, and the tips are subjectiively given to you by the waiters who had control of the tip bucket.... back then when it was a lot more cash based.
A plate of food falls on the floor. Waiters stand there and wait for you to do it.
Never the less, I didn't remember much about who paid best and such, aside from the general vibe that well dressed people (like business people) paid the best tips. I guess since it's an expense they can claim, they don't really care as it's not their money.
Young people were the worst, as they have the least money. And not surprisingly, they trended to the food and booze in smaller quantities and lower price.
Everyone else was somewhere in the middle.
Oh, and holidays were the best. Jam packed and tips trended higher too.
I was a waiter too. And even worse, a busboy before that. If people think waiters and servers have it bad be a busboy. You do all the dirty grunt work, the waiters handle the easier parts of the job, and the tips are subjectiively given to you by the waiters who had control of the tip bucket.... back then when it was a lot more cash based.
A plate of food falls on the floor. Waiters stand there and wait for you to do it.
Never the less, I didn't remember much about who paid best and such, aside from the general vibe that well dressed people (like business people) paid the best tips. I guess since it's an expense they can claim, they don't really care as it's not their money.
Young people were the worst, as they have the least money. And not surprisingly, they trended to the food and booze in smaller quantities and lower price.
Everyone else was somewhere in the middle.
Oh, and holidays were the best. Jam packed and tips trended higher too.
Actually you don't usually write off the tips, just what the bill showsNever the less, I didn't remember much about who paid best and such, aside from the general vibe that well dressed people (like business people) paid the best tips. I guess since it's an expense they can claim, they don't really care as it's not their money.
But your logic is still on track (if someone is getting discount on meal, say 50%, then would be more willing to leave a 20% tip)
Honestly Tee Jay it was pretty much white guys from the States who came up to do business. Occasionally women as well. More so from 2000 on.So all American business men are white?
And all black / asian men are? What unemployed?
It is hilarious a thread on tipping has degenerated into outright racism and you guys trying to defend it as "truth"
See this is the reason I love terb
The absurd ideas of a group of people who do not fit into society but seem to think they do
Comedy gold
lol beyond being ridiculously racist I will throw some cold water on this idea as well
I am a 7th generation Canadian lol and do not tip
Born and bred my ass
Older gen people had no peer pressure to tip and lived through things like depression where you had to stretch every nickel (unlike today where most of our money is disposable income to spend as we see fit)
Discussion of what? lol
You really want to front the idea all blacks are poor tippers, cheap, and you think they should change?
These are the expense account types who cut the deals. One only has to look at what goes on in the USA to see why that is.
Like I said. It truly isn't a "racist" thing where I don't like black people. I have a wide social circle and everyone is welcome in my house. But when something happens often enough to be completely noticeable then that is the truth of it.
I won't speculate why. Just it is what it is.
Just like Three Women at a table is another nightmare for a server.
Dude, your hilarious, you don't what racist is...lol.You really do not understand what you just typed in this quote is racist? Seriously?
This line is also racist
Just wow...
Generalizations like this equal racism
No you are racist because of what you post
So in the end I suppose I would win
My date thinks I am cheap and your date learns you are a racist
I'd rather not tip
I'd also suggest you be "prepared for criticism" if you insist on "going there"
Not that it matters but no I am not black
Care to make another sweeping racial generalization about any more races you suspect I might be?
What is your problem? Like you seriously DON'T read at all.lol beyond being ridiculously racist I will throw some cold water on this idea as well
I am a 7th generation Canadian lol and do not tip
Born and bred my ass
First off, I was HYPOTHETICALLY speaking of 2 POSSIBLE different Canadian families.
Not ALL families, not YOUR family, Not ANYONE'S Family. It is a fake fucking family. Used as an example to show the possible different upbringing and how that CAN affect how people tip. How that difference in upbringing makes one family feel they are right and the other wrong when in fact neither are right or wrong. How you missed that point is beyond me.
And when the fuck did I say any of the above?Discussion of what? lol
You really want to front the idea all blacks are poor tippers, cheap, and you think they should change?
I am NOT fronting this idea at all. Who said they should change???? Again that is not what I wrote at all. But you seem to be completely incapable of reading anything properly, so I am not going to bother explaining another thing to you.
If I say I am typing in black, meaning the fucking font colour, you say I am trying to talk "thug" and I am racist by saying all black people talk the same way. If I say I am going tanning this weekend, you would say I am being racist and tell people to search "blackface" racism.
All you seem to do it come here to fight, and you take what people say completely out of context, so that you can find a way to start a fight. You hike-jack threads to do it. You are harsh, rude, completely egotistical, and think that everything you say is akin to God speaking the bible. But whatever - it is your right to be an angry, negative, ill-liked person and I will just do what I do to all the other emotional unstable people on this board. Ignore.
Thankfully most people on this site seem to be able to read through your crap, so there are regular, level-headed, open-minded people here, who know how to actually read, to continue discussions with.
@Jessica
He definitely doesn't read and totally takes things out of context.
All I did was give him facts and state numbers. If your a waiter as butler100 was, and verify that X amount black families tip and Z amount of white families tip, the numbers speak for themselves. It's not hard to make a calculated guess the next time a black family comes if your going to get tipped or not.
Does that mean I don't like black people? No. Does that mean all black people are cheap? No..but the numbers are the numbers.
Anyway, I wouldn't bother anymore either. This guy's elevator doesn't go to the top so it's kind pointless trying to explain things to him.
He's still going to be cheap and make himself believe that women will be more attracted to him because he's saving money as opposed to being a gentlemen, doing the right thing and tipping your servers...lol.
He definitely doesn't read and totally takes things out of context.
All I did was give him facts and state numbers. If your a waiter as butler100 was, and verify that X amount black families tip and Z amount of white families tip, the numbers speak for themselves. It's not hard to make a calculated guess the next time a black family comes if your going to get tipped or not.
Does that mean I don't like black people? No. Does that mean all black people are cheap? No..but the numbers are the numbers.
Anyway, I wouldn't bother anymore either. This guy's elevator doesn't go to the top so it's kind pointless trying to explain things to him.
He's still going to be cheap and make himself believe that women will be more attracted to him because he's saving money as opposed to being a gentlemen, doing the right thing and tipping your servers...lol.
@Jessica
He definitely doesn't read and totally takes things out of context.
All I did was give him facts and state numbers. If your a waiter as butler100 was, and verify that X amount black families tip and Z amount of white families tip, the numbers speak for themselves. It's not hard to make a calculated guess the next time a black family comes if your going to get tipped or not.
Does that mean I don't like black people? No. Does that mean all black people are cheap? No..but the numbers are the numbers.
Anyway, I wouldn't bother anymore either. This guy's elevator doesn't go to the top so it's kind pointless trying to explain things to him.
He's still going to be cheap and make himself believe that women will be more attracted to him because he's saving money as opposed to being a gentlemen, doing the right thing and tipping your servers...lol.
That is kind of funny, because as a woman I don't find him attractive at all because of his overly negative attitude on life in general. I don't care how much money he has. But I admit I am a bit of a unicorn that way I guess. I am a woman who makes her own money so I don't look for a man who has it.
I have learned the hard way however that yes - men {not to be confused with families, black/white/purple} who purposely, for some odd ball set of reasons, do not tip, usually have an underlying issue that makes them unappealing to everyone, not just women. Usually some level of narcissism and THAT is a huge turn off to me. I don't think I am so unicorn-ish in that regard. LOL
He is already on ignore. I am sure he will reply, and sadly, I do know how to read. So long as all the nice guys on TERB, don't quote his drivel - I will be great!
I haven't read this entire thread, but with regards to tipping, it may end up becoming a custom of the past. The reason is because Millennials are increasingly choosing fast-casual dining experiences, such as Chipotle, which don't have waiters/waitresses. Many of the chain restaurants are slowly going out of business because of this, and this trend will likely accelerate in the future.
Since Millennials are not doing as well financially as previous generations did at the same age, it's not hard to understand why they'd choose to pay less than half the price for a burger or burrito at a fast-casual restaurant as opposed to going to a sit down restaurant. At the sit down restaurants the price of their burger or burrito is inflated because of the high overhead costs that the owners incur due to having servers on staff, and then they have to pay a 20% tip on top of that. It's a failing business model which will soon disappear.
Since Millennials are not doing as well financially as previous generations did at the same age, it's not hard to understand why they'd choose to pay less than half the price for a burger or burrito at a fast-casual restaurant as opposed to going to a sit down restaurant. At the sit down restaurants the price of their burger or burrito is inflated because of the high overhead costs that the owners incur due to having servers on staff, and then they have to pay a 20% tip on top of that. It's a failing business model which will soon disappear.
Racist = black booty loverDude, your hilarious, you don't what racist is...lol.
Facts & numbers?All I did was give him facts and state numbers.
Ok this is priceless
Please link to which post you backed up your OPINION with any sort of proof
(You do realize saying I had a friend who told me is not proof right?)
*sighs*It's not hard to make a calculated guess the next time a black family comes if your going to get tipped or not.
You really do not understand that this "calculated guess" is racist?
If you could say I REMEMBER THIS FAMILY from last week ok
But saying this family is black like that other black family last week is 100% racist
That's like saying if a group of Muslims come in its racist and not a calculated guess they won't be ordering the Pork Schnitzel special......Facts & numbers?
Ok this is priceless
Please link to which post you backed up your OPINION with any sort of proof
(You do realize saying I had a friend who told me is not proof right?)
*sighs*
You really do not understand that this "calculated guess" is racist?
If you could say I REMEMBER THIS FAMILY from last week ok
But saying this family is black like that other black family last week is 100% racist
I love going to Restaurants and I've never seen that.I have seen many restaurants where they write on menu the 20% tip is considered normal
Talk about jokes
But I have noticed that the credit card machines automatically are displaying 18, 20, 25 percent when you push percentage.
18 is my choice as it represents 20 percent more or less on the pretax subtotal. I see NO reason to tip on tax. And 25 percent? Well maybe if she got under the table just after dessert.
True story about cheap tippers.....
Way back I had a client who was a self made multi millionaire. Worth a couple hundred million. Seriously nice older guy.
Anyway, I was out to lunch one day and ran into him at the Mandarin and he invited me to sit at his table, but we kept our own tabs, which was cool with me. I just enjoyed his company as he was kind of father like.
Anyway his Bill comes and he left pennies (not even a buck) and he said to me, "I'm not much of a tipper, if your job doesn't pay get a new one"
He made me laugh because he could have bought and sold the entire Mandarin chain and he was only leaving 20 cents as a tip.
Way back I had a client who was a self made multi millionaire. Worth a couple hundred million. Seriously nice older guy.
Anyway, I was out to lunch one day and ran into him at the Mandarin and he invited me to sit at his table, but we kept our own tabs, which was cool with me. I just enjoyed his company as he was kind of father like.
Anyway his Bill comes and he left pennies (not even a buck) and he said to me, "I'm not much of a tipper, if your job doesn't pay get a new one"
He made me laugh because he could have bought and sold the entire Mandarin chain and he was only leaving 20 cents as a tip.
lower income people are much better tippers (and more generous) - I deal with extremely wealthy individuals myself and this is a very fair generalization that I can make
True story about cheap tippers.....
Way back I had a client who was a self made multi millionaire. Worth a couple hundred million. Seriously nice older guy.
Anyway, I was out to lunch one day and ran into him at the Mandarin and he invited me to sit at his table, but we kept our own tabs, which was cool with me. I just enjoyed his company as he was kind of father like.
Anyway his Bill comes and he left pennies (not even a buck) and he said to me, "I'm not much of a tipper, if your job doesn't pay get a new one"
He made me laugh because he could have bought and sold the entire Mandarin chain and he was only leaving 20 cents as a tip.
