Pope resigns, effective at the end of February

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From the mouths of the bitter.

How many Americans were treated in Catholic hospitals last year?
He didn't say that they did no good, just that they did more harm. The Canadian catholic hospitals have had the good sense recently to include very few priests or Church officials on their boards.

Operational funding of these hospitals comes from the Canadian government of course. Giving credit to the Church for the hospitals would be like saying the Church controls the Ontario Catholic School Board.

The US catholic hospitals is probably a slightly different story. The church spends a lot but they don't disclose how much they spend net of what they receive from Medicare/Medicaid.
 

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He didn't say that they did no good, just that they did more harm. The Canadian catholic hospitals have had the good sense recently to include very few priests or Church officials on their boards.

Operational funding of these hospitals comes from the Canadian government of course. Giving credit to the Church for the hospitals would be like saying the Church controls the Ontario Catholic School Board.

The US catholic hospitals is probably a slightly different story. The church spends a lot but they don't disclose how much they spend net of what they receive from Medicare/Medicaid.
Firstly, US Catholic hospitals are run completely differently from Canadian Catholic hospitals. You will note that I did not mention the Canadian ones, it was you who brought them into the discussion and then tried to turn them into a straw man.

Neither of you has answered the question. The fact is how can you, or he, compare the good versus the bad if you don't know what is on either side of the equation? If you don't know how many people were treated in US Catholic hospitals how can you compare?

Let me suggest that Mr. Draper doesn't know the answer, and doesn't care, because he has already concluded that the bad outweighs the good, no matter what the facts are. That would be a classic bias or biased conclusion now wouldn't it? Just another form of virtually thoughtless hate for a large group or institution.
 

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From the mouths of the bitter.

How many Americans were treated in Catholic hospitals last year?

Probably more people than children their Priest's left a bitter taste in the mouths of! So your point is well taken, it all works out in the end. But what is an acceptable ratio of lives saved to lives ruined for a church?
 

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Who can honestly say that they really care? Wasn't he one of those Cardinals who re assigned priests who were accused of child molestation? Rather than bring it to light and have them defrocked and see justice it was simply swept under the rug and allowed to continue. For that reason he was a pope bereft of any credibility. So, does anyone really care?
 

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Like an old hockey player, time to quit while you can still skate off the ice rather than have two teammates carry you off. All the best to the Pope in retirement.
 

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Who could care less what or who thesis hollow institute picks as its leader or its policy. They spew old archaic ideas that hurt minorities and women and children all over the world. They're against birth control and condoms We should ban all reporting of any news to do with the Catholic Church and any other organization of religious superstition.
Bit since that wont happen. I'll just sit back and enjoy the stupid human show. Any one for a war or natural disaster ???? Count me in :)
 

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Abstinence makes the church grow fondlers.


The Catholic Church: Leaving no child's behind...

maybe if they just fucked it would be less of a problem lol :wink:
 

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The Papacy is very much a contradiction: while is is among the world's last absolute monarchies, it is non-hereditary hence there is not a logical successor to be named regent as is the case with the Prince of Wales.
 

thinktank217

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If there was any sort of actual benevolence in the catholic church then this is what should really happen:


Until then, they are a hypocritical, poisonous organization that has done by far more harm than good and continue to do so.​

I know. My hope is that Islam becomes the dominant force on this planet. Then we can see tolerance, peace and true woman and gay rights.
 

Don Draper

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Let me suggest that Mr. Draper doesn't know the answer, and doesn't care, because he has already concluded that the bad outweighs the good, no matter what the facts are. That would be a classic bias or biased conclusion now wouldn't it? Just another form of virtually thoughtless hate for a large group or institution.
RLD: So that you know, I come from one of the most catholic countires in the world. When my grandfather was an eleven year old altar boy, his priest tried to bugger him up the ass after mass. My grandfather smacked him with a candle holder and got away. When the priest summoned my Great Grandfather to take my Grandfather to task, 3 other families showed up to the church in support of my family. One family had a baby from a 17 year old mother whom the priest had abused. There were 2 other girls that the priest had raped and of course, several little boys who were class mates of my grandfather and found the courage to speak up with my family's support. In her adolescence, my Mother had girlfriends abused as well. I even recall vividly a young friend of mine at the age of seven who was sodomized by his Parrish priest. Is it safe to say there's a pattern here?

The church dealt with the situation by simply sending the priest to another city. The church threatened to ex-communicate my family whereupon my Great Grandfather replied: "May I have a document to confirm that?". My Grandfather never set foot in a catholic church again and my family has since then led a happy Catholic/Guilt/Shame Free life.

While my Mother (this Grandfather's daughter) was in university, she looked into the history of Catholicism in our homeland. The atrocities that the Church and Franco connived together would sicken you into the next lifetime. The astounding amount of abused children and teenage girls is beyond what you can imagine. Not to mention censorship, cover ups, intimidation a outright lies. Education is a magnificent thing. It is the saving grace. Since my Grandfather's university days, my family has been devoted to the simple notion that Faith is what the human heart needs, not religion. Least of all Catholicism. Through education, faith and clarity has been paramount. That was the first of more than a few priests that my family ran out of town. Their hypocrisy and cruelty did them in, we just pointed it out.

They don't pay taxes and still demand money from the poor. They closed their doors to the Jews during WW2 and they still try to conduct themselves as if nothing is ever wrong. The very definition of Censorship. 'Accountability' is not in the catholic vocabulary.

According to you, I don't have the answer. At least not the answer you want. Perhaps the parents of any abused child, a single mother who gave her weekly wages as an offering or a Bishop who lives in Opulence has the answer you want.

Whatever it is, I hope you find it.
 

thinktank217

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RLD: So that you know, I come from one of the most catholic countires in the world. When my grandfather was an eleven year old altar boy, his priest tried to bugger him up the ass after mass. My grandfather smacked him with a candle holder and got away. When the priest summoned my Great Grandfather to take my Grandfather to task, 3 other families showed up to the church in support of my family. One family had a baby from a 17 year old mother whom the priest had abused. There were 2 other girls that the priest had raped and of course, several little boys who were class mates of my grandfather and found the courage to speak up with my family's support. In her adolescence, my Mother had girlfriends abused as well. I even recall vividly a young friend of mine at the age of seven who was sodomized by his Parrish priest. Is is safe to say there's a pattern here?

The church dealt with the situation by simply sending the priest to another city. The church threatened to ex-communicate my family whereupon my Great Grandfather replied: "May I have a document to confirm that?". My Grandfather never set foot in a catholic church again and my family has since then led a happy Catholic/Guilt/Shame Free life.

While my Mother (this Grand father's daughter) was in university, she looked into the history of Catholicsm in our homeland. The atrocities that the Church and Franco connived together would sicken you into the next lifetime. The astounding amount of abused children and teenage girls is beyond what you can imagine. Education is a magnificent thing. Since my Grandfather's university days, my family has been devoted to the simple notion that Faith is what the human heart needs, not religion. Least of all Catholicism. Through education, faith and clarity that was the first of more than a few priests that my family ran out of town. Their hypocrisy and cruelty did them in, we just pointed it out.

They don't pay taxes and still demand money from the poor. They closed their doors to the Jews during WW2 and they still try to conduct themselves as if nothing is ever wrong. The very definition of Censorship. 'Accountability' is not in the catholic vocabulary.

According to you, I don't have the answer. At least not the answer you want. Perhaps the parents of any abused child, a single mother who gave her weekly wages as an offering or a Bishop who lives in Opulence has the answer you want.

Whatever it is, I hope you find it.

LMFAO. What a load of shit. Maybe you WANT a Priest to bugger your ass. Reads more like a wish list than reality.
 

Don Draper

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LMFAO. What a load of shit. Maybe you WANT a Priest to bugger your ass. Reads more like a wish list than reality.
I'm glad I could make you laugh.

Please, continue to do so. The world needs more laughter.
 

thinktank217

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Good riddance to his "holiness".I'll bet there is a lot more to this "2 week notice" then will ever be made public.
Yeah It turns out he was trying to plant suitcase nuclear bombs in pro-gay cities. They caught him just in time.!!!!
 
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