Do you understand the word 'decimate'.
Israel's responses are to decimate the Palestinians.
That's not proportional.
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Israel's responses are to decimate the Palestinians.
That's not proportional.
You may wish to check your facts and just what the Quartet has set as its framework for the resumption of negotiations.
I hadn't seen the last quartet call.
Abbas is within his rights, and would be an idiot not to, refuse to negotiate while Israel is taking their land.
What the call does is place the quartet as biased, which isn't surprising, the Palestinians are already preparing to as Blair to be removed.
So the UN push will probably fail, negotiations won't happen, Israel will keep taking land.
Abbas will lose what's left of his credibility and the younger generation will call for a one state solution based off equal rights.
Well played, Israel.
I do:Israel's responses are proportional. (I suspect you don't know what that means.)
Number of people killed by violence:
----------------------Israelis-------------Palestinians----------------factor
2006.....................23....................... .665...............................29
2007.....................19....................... .385...............................20
2008.....................35....................... .887...............................25
2009......................9....................... 1034.............................115
2010......................8....................... ...70.................................9
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So lets recap. UN reports which exonerates Israel or which do not criticize Israel are biased and therefore invalid.I hadn't seen the last quartet call.
Abbas is within his rights, and would be an idiot not to, refuse to negotiate while Israel is taking their land.
What the call does is place the quartet as biased, which isn't surprising, the Palestinians are already preparing to as Blair to be removed.
So the UN push will probably fail, negotiations won't happen, Israel will keep taking land.
Abbas will lose what's left of his credibility and the younger generation will call for a one state solution based off equal rights.
Well played, Israel.
The Quartet to which Abbas had previously appealed is now biased because they have set a framework for the resumption of negotiations which Israel accepts and Abbas does not.
Tony Blair is biased.
You really are pathetic and you the thinking and strategy of you and people like you is what has kept the Palestinian people from realizing their legitimate hopes and aspirations for a sovereign state. Keep up the good work.
The measure of proportionality is not the number of deaths. Any death is too much. What to you is the proportional response to rocket landing in a civilian population center? Should Israel respond with a rocket each time in a tit for tat. Perhaps Hamas and their clients should stop launching rockets as they did from the West Bank.I do:
Number of people killed by violence:
----------------------Israelis-------------Palestinians----------------factor
2006.....................23....................... .665...............................29
2007.....................19....................... .385...............................20
2008.....................35....................... .887...............................25
2009......................9....................... 1034.............................115
2010......................8....................... ...70.................................9
..
Israel's response has been to try and take out the rocket launchers and terrorists which Hamas and their clients insist on embedding in civilian areas. The culprit is Hamas. Israel as does every country has a right to protect itself from assaults by rockets. Would you expect less of Canada. I would not and I would hope and expect that Canada would react in the same way.Do you understand the word 'decimate'.
Israel's responses are to decimate the Palestinians.
That's not proportional.
It's been a part of Israeli psyche ever since it's creation that every Israeli deserves to be returned to Israel dead or alive. Could have something to do with the Holocaust or it may just be the high value they put on every life in their small community. There definitely was a strong public opinion that he should be brought home despite the cost and all politicians follow public opinion to some extent.Why did a hardliner like Netanyahu allow this exchange?
What does he gain?
Yet you continually defend Hamas who refuses to accept permanent peace with Israel under any circumstances.In my world they would sit down and work it out, not shoot rockets at each other, toguy.
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Alleged terrorists? I guessed that guys who are setting up alleged rocket launchers and firing alleged rockets deserve to enter an alleged court system that Hamas, the alleged rulers of Gaza would allegedly convene.Israel intentionally attacks civilian centers because there are alleged terrorists there. Hamas attacks Israeli centers because most of Israel's population are members of the military.. ...
Your second claims is as craptacularly false as anything you have ever posted. Hamas routinely admits to attacking civilians and there is absolutely no legal basis for allowing the killing of former or off duty soldiers. If there were, Israeli would be justified in killing tens of thousands of Palestinians or any one who ever raised a finger against Israel or served in any of the Palestinian military groups.
So in one posts you say that negotiation is the way an int he next you say that Abbas should refuse to negotiate. Still up to your usual level of inconsistency.I hadn't seen the last quartet call.
Abbas is within his rights, and would be an idiot not to, refuse to negotiate while Israel is taking their land.
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Back to the wife beater defense.Israel's response has been to try and take out the rocket launchers and terrorists which Hamas and their clients insist on embedding in civilian areas. The culprit is Hamas. Israel as does every country has a right to protect itself from assaults by rockets. Would you expect less of Canada. I would not and I would hope and expect that Canada would react in the same way.
It was the wife's fault, she was asking for it.
To use an example with Canada you might say: Should the Cree in some reserve decide to take issue with treaty/land issues, would we:
A) bomb them
B) kill them and anyone who leads them
C) let them take the issue to court
If the Cree start launching rockets at civilians, commit suicide bombings in public places and refuse to live peaceably beside Canadians, you can bet that Canada would respond militarily.
Alleged terrorists? I guessed that guys who are setting up alleged rocket launchers and firing alleged rockets deserve to enter an alleged court system that Hamas, the alleged rulers of Gaza would allegedly convene.
Your second claims is as craptacularly false as anything you have ever posted. Hamas routinely admits to attacking civilians and there is absolutely no legal basis for allowing the killing of former or off duty soldiers. If there were, Israeli would be justified in killing tens of thousands of Palestinians or any one who ever raised a finger against Israel or served in any of the Palestinian military groups.
They are not former, most are members of the reserves. Please don't talk about a "legal basis" there is no legal basis for Israel to be building settlements on that lands either, and it does not seem to be stopping them.
Israel's response should be to get serious about peace instead of fucking around.The measure of proportionality is not the number of deaths. Any death is too much. What to you is the proportional response to rocket landing in a civilian population center? Should Israel respond with a rocket each time in a tit for tat. Perhaps Hamas and their clients should stop launching rockets as they did from the West Bank.
And what would you call accepting the framework for negotiation set out by the Quartet? Not being serious? You really are very funny.Israel's response should be to get serious about peace instead of fucking around.
That gives no indication whatsoever whether the responses were proportional. Do you even understand the concept?I do:
Number of people killed by violence:
----------------------Israelis-------------Palestinians----------------factor
2006.....................23....................... .665...............................29
2007.....................19....................... .385...............................20
2008.....................35....................... .887...............................25
2009......................9....................... 1034.............................115
2010......................8....................... ...70.................................9
..
So now you don't understand the words terrorism, proportional, decimate and now 'factor'.That gives no indication whatsoever whether the responses were proportional. Do you even understand the concept?
I do wish you had signed up to that remedial english comprehension course.
Proportional does not mean that both sides in the conflict suffer equal number of casualties, that would be patently ridiculous. It basically says that the amount of force used is reasonable in light of the military advantage achieved. I think you don't comprehend that. Danmand clearly does not.
Proportional also doesn't mean that the side with nuclear weapons, predator drones, chemical weapons....gets to kill at will.Proportional does not mean that both sides in the conflict suffer equal number of casualties, that would be patently ridiculous. It basically says that the amount of force used is reasonable in light of the military advantage achieved. I think you don't comprehend that. Danmand clearly does not.
I don't think you understand that military occupying powers are bound by law to treat the occupied people humanely.
Not try to economically and physically try to starve them and shoot them when they get too close to the fence.
