Question- Do you think SP's are way under priced?

[jonnieJoytree]

To answer some questions, guys if you want to be subjective, sex is never for free, especially if your married and you have to sneak around on your wife.

If youre a single guy, you meet a girl, call her up and hope she says yes, take her out to Jack Asters, a few drinks later, and she probably wont put out until the third date.

The only girls I ever had give me a blow job for free are usually fucked up in the head, and then call me in the middle of the night asking for 50 bucks to buy food and cigarettes.

I think for many young women, its a short career span. Most SP's can only work for five to ten years tops, and while destroying their body for us guys, they should be able to put as much money away as possible.

Most girls I see are either in college or are saving up to start their own business so they can get out of the field. My Sp has told me the hardships she has to go through to prepare for a date. It aint easy guys. They should make more.
If you cant afford to pay an SP what she's worth, then dont see one.

Of course you can always cruise down Shuter street at 5 in the morning and get a crack addict with AIDS. Or perhaps some poor Asian girl here against her will. Good luck with that.

I just want to say to the SP's reading this, dont lower the bar and work cheap. There are plenty of us guys who make enough money, a lot more then you, so dont lower your standards.

 

[El Mariachi]

Ya Toronto SP's are underpaid it's true, that's why I mainly work in western canada. The men shouldn't complain about rates they get in Toronto, in the west we charge 150-15mins, 200-30mins, 300-60mins etc...So I barely work here in Toronto. Only my regulars, Terbites are the exception. It's not cheap being an SP, there are a lot of expenses believe it or not. But hey everybody is different!

I do agree with you. Everybody is different. They have different expenses, different lifestyles, and different limits.

With all due respect, I have to disagree with you.

If you were not making atleast, 500 - 1000 $ (at the prices u charge atleast) profit a day, I find that hard to believe.
And ofcourse, if you were not making a HUGE PROFIT a day, no girl would be in this business. Its not worth it at the end if you dont make a decent amount of $$.

I do know you have make up expenses, transportation costs, cell phone charges, hotel fees if u pay for it . That all i na day can not exceed 100 $ at the MAX ..

Im not here to argue or start a longer thread, Im just saying, in my opinion, SPs in Toronto are not underpriced.

Agencies charge decent fees to cover up their costs and make whatever profits they are happy with. Clients pay to what they can afford. However without the clients, the girls wouldn't make anything.

And clients can only pay what they can afford too. So its like a cycle.

If Vancouver charges 300 / hr usually, that means guys there make more too (and save more) thus, can afford higher rates.

 

[GDLLover]

To answer some questions, guys if you want to be subjective, sex is never for free, especially if your married and you have to sneak around on your wife.

If youre a single guy, you meet a girl, call her up and hope she says yes, take her out to Jack Asters, a few drinks later, and she probably wont put out until the third date.

The only girls I ever had give me a blow job for free are usually fucked up in the head, and then call me in the middle of the night asking for 50 bucks to buy food and cigarettes.

I think for many young women, its a short career span. Most SP's can only work for five to ten years tops, and while destroying their body for us guys, they should be able to put as much money away as possible.

Most girls I see are either in college or are saving up to start their own business so they can get out of the field. My Sp has told me the hardships she has to go through to prepare for a date. It aint easy guys. They should make more.
If you cant afford to pay an SP what she's worth, then dont see one.

Of course you can always cruise down Shuter street at 5 in the morning and get a crack addict with AIDS. Or perhaps some poor Asian girl here against her will. Good luck with that.

I just want to say to the SP's reading this, dont lower the bar and work cheap. There are plenty of us guys who make enough money, a lot more then you, so dont lower your standards.

Not quite sure you have thought about what you have said. Are you implying that the SPs are destroying their bodies? From my experience, ladies in the 200-300 /hr range are very health conscious. They take great care of themselves and are very particular with their own and clients cleanliness. The SPs are also not doing this thinking that in order to get the big bucks they must accept disease. On the contrary, they know what risks are there and take precautions accordingly to their comfort level. For most SPs they chose to do this because they enjoy sex, meeting people and making good money. The money alone will make for a very short career.

By the same inference, does this mean any young lady that has regular sex with a boyfriend or husband often over time is destroying their body? Are you aware that sex is a healthy normal body function for both men and women?

What justification do you have to say the current rates are wrong? As I said earlier supply vs demand determines the rate. I would expect that all SPs feel their underpaid for what they do. I would also expect that all working clients feel they are underpaid for what they do. This feeling of being underpaid doesn't alone determine the rates. The SPs are the ones that determined the rates based on competition and constantly testing the market by small incremental increases to determine the saturation point.

So are they underpaid, yes, but they are also unilaterally underpaid just like everyone else.

 

[keepmovingforward]

To answer some questions, guys if you want to be subjective, sex is never for free, especially if your married and you have to sneak around on your wife.

If youre a single guy, you meet a girl, call her up and hope she says yes, take her out to Jack Asters, a few drinks later, and she probably wont put out until the third date.

The only girls I ever had give me a blow job for free are usually fucked up in the head, and then call me in the middle of the night asking for 50 bucks to buy food and cigarettes.

I think for many young women, its a short career span. Most SP's can only work for five to ten years tops, and while destroying their body for us guys, they should be able to put as much money away as possible.

Most girls I see are either in college or are saving up to start their own business so they can get out of the field. My Sp has told me the hardships she has to go through to prepare for a date. It aint easy guys. They should make more.
If you cant afford to pay an SP what she's worth, then dont see one.

Of course you can always cruise down Shuter street at 5 in the morning and get a crack addict with AIDS. Or perhaps some poor Asian girl here against her will. Good luck with that.

I just want to say to the SP's reading this, dont lower the bar and work cheap. There are plenty of us guys who make enough money, a lot more then you, so dont lower your standards.

you clearly have an issue meeting woman in your real life if you feel you need to constantly take a woman out or give her 50 bucks at some point to get laid. i'm not saying im smooth like brad pitt or something but if you just simply treated a girl right and there is a connection of some sort, there is a probably chance that you'll get laid. i'm once again not going to agree or disagree whether an SP should get paid more or less....mainly because everyone in this world feels they're worth more. everyone has bills, everyone has things they want to buy. the rate is the rate. there is nothing more to it.

 

[smylee52]

To answer some questions, guys if you want to be subjective, sex is never for free, especially if your married and you have to sneak around on your wife.

If youre a single guy, you meet a girl, call her up and hope she says yes, take her out to Jack Asters, a few drinks later, and she probably wont put out until the third date.

The only girls I ever had give me a blow job for free are usually fucked up in the head, and then call me in the middle of the night asking for 50 bucks to buy food and cigarettes.

I think for many young women, its a short career span. Most SP's can only work for five to ten years tops, and while destroying their body for us guys, they should be able to put as much money away as possible.

Most girls I see are either in college or are saving up to start their own business so they can get out of the field. My Sp has told me the hardships she has to go through to prepare for a date. It aint easy guys. They should make more.
If you cant afford to pay an SP what she's worth, then dont see one.

Of course you can always cruise down Shuter street at 5 in the morning and get a crack addict with AIDS. Or perhaps some poor Asian girl here against her will. Good luck with that.

I just want to say to the SP's reading this, dont lower the bar and work cheap. There are plenty of us guys who make enough money, a lot more then you, so dont lower your standards.

Well Johnnie out of his tree how about just pay what they ask and STFU . Age, looks, talent, marketing and supply all dictate a girl's asking price . We currently benefit from a healthy supply of good looking, talented , attractive SP's that charge , IMO , a reasonable price .

You are free to pay more but it is Christmas and there are many people who will have a bleak one without some help so you might want to consider alternate ways to dispose of excess funds .

 

[afterhours]

you clearly have an issue meeting woman in your real life if you feel you need to constantly take a woman out or give her 50 bucks at some point to get laid. i'm not saying im smooth like brad pitt or something but if you just simply treated a girl right and there is a connection of some sort, there is a probably chance that you'll get laid.

umm he was not talking about a "chance to get laid", he was talking about actually getting laid.
You can't put your penis into chance, you know.

"Simply treating the girl right" may work if you are unemployed or trust fund baby i.e. if your time is worthless.
If you make hourly close to what SPs make (which by the way I think is a very good yardstick measuring your own success in life), then you would be reluctant to "simply treat the girl right" which usually involves listening to her BS and tolerating it for hours and hours.
And if you are not making close to what SPs make per hour maybe you should think about changing your job.

 

[james t kirk]

Unfortunately in this business we do have high stress and not just because of the physical risks involved in getting intimate with complete strangers There is no retirement plan except for what we can hide away after paying rent/mortgage, utility bills, food, necessities, advertising, insurance, clothing (the ones we wear while working), and even though manicures, pedicures and hair styling may sound like a luxury in this business it is a necessity.....IF we have even a few dollars left at the end of the month then we try to tuck it away for a rainy day. Most of us cannot work one week out of the month,,,,,we don't work when we are sick, we don't work if we are hurt, we don't work when the economy is bad and most of us have a very short 'shelf life'. Oh, let's not forget the ever increasing competition with new girls and lower rates......Nope we don't have much to be stressed about,,,,,

Hello,

I used to work for a corporation of 40,000 + people for 11 years.

There is:

- No retirement plan

- No pension plan

The "company" doesn't want the obligation. Pensions are a thing of the past. Going forward, the only people who will be having pensions are union hacks and government workers. (I'm neither)

I have to put up with:

- Unrealistic demands of my clients ALL THE TIME.

- STUPID Dead lines that require me to work 16 hours a day, sometimes 36 hours straight

- Mean clients who treat you like they own you.

- Having forgoe planned vacations at the last minute

- Having to cancel attendence at family wedding last minute

- Criticism from morons (the big boss was a fucking goof).

- LAWSUITS when something goes wrong, even when you can show it's not your fault

- Chasing clients to pay their invoices (we can't get the money up front)

Add to that sensitivity training, Quality Management, ISO certification, Sox Compliance AND still having to get your work done,.

On top of that I get to pay my mortgage, utilities, food bills, etc. just like you, only I can't charge $250 an hour.

Oh, and I have to buy my own suits with my own money as well.

 

[fuji]

Supply meet demand. Demand meet supply.

End of story.

Why do people on terb continually feel the need to debate the rates? OK, so this guy is arguing the opposite of the usual direction, but it's stupid either way.

 

[SecretRendezvous]

Answer, yes they are underpaid but will probably not be able to get what they are truly worth.

Quoted because it is the only true statement needed in this thread. Rates are fine where they are.

However it is funny to see all the men come up here and tell this guys to basically shut up and fuck off lest he give the ladies any ideas. LOL

And

It is funny to see all the comparisons to others jobs, mild jealous posts etc. LOL

 

[Riley.Royal]

First there was a thread about how we are high priced, and now we are under priced.

lol make up your mind you terbies.

I would love to charge more but I also have to be realistic.

 

[james t kirk]

Quoted because it is the only true statement needed in this thread. Rates are fine where they are.

However it is funny to see all the men come up here and tell this guys to basically shut up and fuck off lest he give the ladies any ideas. LOL

And

It is funny to see all the comparisons to others jobs, mild jealous posts etc. LOL

Yeah, because allot of sex workers have a very unrealistic opinion as to what the work a day world involves. They've been doing the sex for money thing right out of the gate and they truly think that that kind of money is what they are worth.

My all time favourite was a stripper who once stated that it wasn't worth the effort just to do 2 lap dances for a guy.

I'm laughing because it's $40.00 for 7 minutes work.

In the so called "real world" she would be paid $10.00 an hour (assuming no skills, no trade, no education) or $20.00 an hour (assuming sklls, trade, education)

 

[Brill]

First there was a thread about how we are high priced, and now we are under priced.

lol make up your mind you terbies.

You think terbies should think with only one head and have only one opinion?
One thread was from the perspective of clients, this one is from a woman.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

SP's have the luxury of not having to pay any taxes so they get to live in a fantasyland that workers in conventional economy don't benefit from.

A working stiff who spends $250. for an hour with an SP has to earn maybe $385. or so in order to get the $250. free and clear of taxes and misc payroll deductions.

I get the feeling that when these girls get too old to do this line of work and begin working in the conventional economy they are shocked by all the line items coming off their Gross Pay before they see anything on the Net Pay line.

 

[Dr69]

There are plenty of us guys who make enough money, a lot more then you, so dont lower your standards.

Good for you jonnieJoketree.

I think if that man had approached me in the park with those questions, he would be dead in the next scene. Stilletto through his head..

But, just out of curiousity do you also wear stillettos when you go see your SPs? Or have you had a sex change since you posted that comment?

 

[SecretRendezvous]

SP's know about "real" work. Trust me

 

[genintoronto]

Disregarding all the usual mistaken assumptions made about our work in this thread, and in response to the OP:

Are SPs underpaid? Depends which one.

Me and my colleagues working in the $200-300/hr range? No. I do believe that I work my ass off for every penny I earn, but I don't think that I'm underpaid. Besides, I can always choose to raise my rates if I feel that my time, work, and access to my body is worth more than what I'm making now. This is something that not many people have the privilege to do.

But those women who work in the many factory-line cheap incall places, in less than ideal conditions, and most likely for the benefit of a pimp? Damn right they are underpaid. But that's only one of the aspects of the abuse and exploitation that they are putting up with.

 

[GDLLover]

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I would love to charge more but I also have to be realistic.

This is a very important statement that the OP is not listening to.

 

[¤CANDYKISSES¤]

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Watch this, and be grateful we don't charge what this German girl does ( and for just sex, no breast touching, kissing etc)

German Girl

P.s. To whoever said our job is not stressful, you obviously have not walked in our shoes!

xx

 

[Yoga Face]

They risk jail, social ostrcization, STD, psycho clients

Cannot have normal life

It must be hard to have so much sex with strangers

I do not know how they do it

 

[d78]

They risk jail, social ostrcization, STD, psycho clients

Cannot have normal life

It must be hard to have so much sex with strangers

I do not know how they do it

life is hard for everyone, except lucky few, like Paris Hilton.