Religious Idiots Against The New Sex Ed. Curriculum

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It depends on whether you're talking about religious studies, or studying a specific religion with the expectation of practicing it..

I don't know how useful religious studies would be to an 8 year old, but I wouldn't object to them on principle.. There's absolutely nothing wrong with an 8 year old learning ABOUT different religions.. It's also quite valuable for a child to know ABOUT his school mate's religions and how their religions may affect their daily lives.. Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, we would probably grow up a much more tolerant society if we taught children ABOUT other religions at a very young age.. I'm not sure if this was your goal, but you may be helping me make my point.

If you're asking if I'd be okay with my child studying a specific religion (like Christianity) as a way of life, then I'd say no. Because not everybody is Christian and we shouldn't be teaching all children to follow the Christian way of life. (just as we shouldn't be teaching our kids that homosexuality should be everybody's sexual orientation or "way of life").

In short, should we be teaching our kids about Christians/Muslims/Jews (and teaching them how each religion is beautiful and normal)? Yes

Should we be teaching our kids that they SHOULD BE Christian/Muslim/Jewish? No


It's funny that my buddy is a teacher at a Catholic high school but what is taught is world religion, not how to be a good Catholic, AFAIK.

(Incidentally, a graduate from teachers college that is going into the separate school board system requires an approval letter from a Catholic priest to confirm that he or she is a regular church goer.)
 
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Catholic schools will be teaching the new curriculum as well.

They don't get a pass.

Which I don't understand. Won't there be an issue if some of the curriculum which does teach about pleasure and masturbation go against the Bible's sin of 'spilling the seed'?

Can parents who have their kids in that situation not challenge the govt based on that?

I think this is not going to end well......

CB
 

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You have incorrectly defined the function of the Charter. The Charter of Rights ensures legal rights. It does not define anyone's morality or personal beliefs. It is also a "living document". The laws that are justifiable in a free and democratic society are continuously redefined as that society develops, just as they have through the relatively recent process of defining more legal rights in relation to sexual orientation, etc.
You are right that the function of the charter is not to regulate personal beliefs but as I said, it enshrines the states views about equality. If the state is of the opinion that homosexuals (which seems to be the sticking point) are equal, it is the duty of the education system to support that view.

And yes, it is a living document but do you think Canada will go back in time to remove those rights and criminalize homosexuality again?
 

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i cant see anything wrong with the new sex education bill, but kathleen wynne is a loser and the liberal party sucks. Therefore, I applaud the crazies for making her life harder.
 

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I've talked to a few parents about this.

It's not the subject matter but rather the age appropriateness of some of the subject matter covered. They feel that some of their 12 yr olds may not be ready for certain things while some of their 11 yr olds might be. They want to make that determination not the government.

I don't think its a evangelical, homophobic oppostion but more of a libertarian, stay out of my business one.

CB
i can understand the parents concern, but i dont think most parents have a clue what their kids are up to, not a freaking clue. kids are getting puberty earlier then before, have access to a myriad of communicatio tools (mobile, facebook,snapchat) and that means they need to be educate to the dangers of sexting (see the 20+ kids who have committed suicide due to slut-shaming in the past 2+ years) etc. these are real issues that kids need to be educated about.
 

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NOTWITHSTANDING my complete distaste for the "anti-bullying" movement, which i think is completely overblown. I used to get my ass handed to me in public school and grew up to become tough as nails. but nevertheless, teaching your daughter that taking a selfie of her butt (at 12) is inappropriate and can lead to greater hardships down the road isnt the worst thing to teach a kid.
 

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You are right that the function of the charter is not to regulate personal beliefs but as I said, it enshrines the states views about equality. If the state is of the opinion that homosexuals (which seems to be the sticking point) are equal, it is the duty of the education system to support that view.

And yes, it is a living document but do you think Canada will go back in time to remove those rights and criminalize homosexuality again?
A state holds no opinions. People hold opinions.

The state has the right to teach that everyone covered by s. 15 of the Charter is entitled to equal treatment under the law, because that is a fact. Parents are entitled to hold their own personal views, whether based in religion or not, regarding whether it is "normal" or "right" to be gay, and to explain their point of view to their children without interference from the state. People who hold the opposite view do not have the right to present their view to other people's children by using the authority of the state' school system to do so. The school system does not exist as a battleground for political or personal ideology.

The state doesn't need to teach kids that same sex couples exist, because any cursory cycle through the TV channels has already told them (Glee, Modern Family, Ellen, etc., etc.).

No, I don't think that homosexuality will ever be criminalized, and I don't think there would be any point in doing so. However, I think there is some chance that the way in which the courts have defined equality rights to date may be revisited and reshaped. Not every decision of first instance is correct, and a sound judicial system should be capable of correcting itself over time.
 

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they need to be educate to the dangers of sexting (see the 20+ kids who have committed suicide due to slut-shaming in the past 2+ years)
Real simple solution, start passing laws against revenge-porn and the release of any kind of other porn without written permission from both parties.

And start locking up people who break that law.
If the offenders are under-age send them to Juvie hall.

Also at the end of the day suicide is still a personal choice. There are lots of kids who get bullied every day who dont end up committing suicide
 

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Real simple solution, start passing laws against revenge-porn and the release of any kind of other porn without written permission from both parties.

And start locking up people who break that law.
If the offenders are under-age send them to Juvie hall
Your callous closing note aside, the "solution" you propose is no solution at all. It is already illegal to distribute nudie pics of minors. Doesn't stop it from happening. Do you really think making it extra special illegal is going to help? No. But educating kids about the risks, case studies, the law, etc could only help.
 

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Your callous closing note aside, the "solution" you propose is no solution at all. It is already illegal to distribute nudie pics of minors. Doesn't stop it from happening. Do you really think making it extra special illegal is going to help? No. But educating kids about the risks, case studies, the law, etc could only help
And you really think if there's no serious punishment for kids who release revenge-porn its really gonna stop??

You can educate them all you want, but if there are no repercussions kids are just gonna laugh at any laws, and do what they want
 

james t kirk

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Kids are going to be taught oral sex, anal sex and masturbation as
early as in grade 1--4. Thats before boys experience their first hard-on
and girls start having periods. That should help to demystify adult sexual
activities and prepare the kids for a teenagehood free of anxieties
caused by puberty. In my days I would get crazy from getting a peep
under the skirt of my female teacher by the time I reached 1st
year secondary school. Wish I was born in this time so I'd feel
less inhibited to experiment with the real thing.
1'st year secondary?

When I was in Kindergarten, they used to make us take a nap when the other kids had recess. I remember we all brought in towels and we would lay on the floor and nap. Only, I was never a napper and I would just pretend to be asleep. The teacher meanwhile would walk up and down the rows of napping 5 year old and I would look up her skirt as she walked by.
 

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Catholic schools will be teaching the new curriculum as well.

They don't get a pass.

Which I don't understand. Won't there be an issue if some of the curriculum which does teach about pleasure and masturbation go against the Bible's sin of 'spilling the seed'?

Can parents who have their kids in that situation not challenge the govt based on that?

I think this is not going to end well......

CB
If you are funded with public money, you do as you are told... don't want the public money, teach whatever you want.
 

basketcase

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i cant see anything wrong with the new sex education bill, but kathleen wynne is a loser and the liberal party sucks. Therefore, I applaud the crazies for making her life harder.
The problem with politics summed up in one statement.
 

basketcase

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A state holds no opinions. People hold opinions....
Yes. I was using the word opinion because that is what you chose to use.

The state has values that are enshrined in law and those values say that homosexuals amongst others deserve full legal equality. Therefore the schools should be reinforcing those values, not pretending gays don't exist.
 

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Also at the end of the day suicide is still a personal choice. There are lots of kids who get bullied every day who dont end up committing suicide
Sweet. Lets stop educating and hope that not too many kill themselves.
 
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