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leshdrec

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I don’t have an objection if it is part of a healthy ecosystem.

But you should take notice of a couple of things.

The guys who like FKKs rarely mention the names of individual ladies they fucked.

When you read Terb reviews of agency and independent escorts, not only are names mentioned, but nice little details are provided about the actual girl they saw. Like she goes to college and is studying nursing, she looks forward to walking her pet dog after the shift, she took a fun vacation in the Caribbean last year with her girlfriends and her favorite island is St. Maarten, etc.

I want everyone to get what they want out of this activity. But I like meeting actual girls with names that I remember afterward, albeit working names.

Now if Canada had some of these, functioning like strip joints, where a certain percentage of Canadian sex workers find it more efficient to simply work a shift there and fuck five guys in the back rooms for half hour sessions at a slightly lower price compared to escorting (due to the increased efficiencies), that is certainly fine with me.

But where we have to be careful is letting that system take over and ruin the ecosystem for guys who enjoy seeing escorts.

Of course it is difficult to compare Germany to Canada as a result of Germany allowing the importation of foreign sex workers who live in facilities adjacent to the FKKs. Presumably this would not happen in Canada due to legislative restrictions and the simple fact that flying into Canada from Venezuela, Colombia and Mexico is simply far more expensive than being driven in a vehicle from Romania into Germany.

But over time, the old-fashioned German brothels have gradually closed, and most of the German escort scene has become very expensive and catering to Johns interested in the types of ladies not available in the FKKs, like blonde-haired Germans.

People gravitate to a low price and economic efficiencies. Those offering it drive out competitors. Traditional economics says the danger is high inflation from that point forward, given the lack of competition. Absent from economic discussion is the simple loss of customer enjoyment that once occurred. People don’t really like shopping at Walmart and ordering from Amazon anymore, but those organizations crowded everything else out.

The guys on ISG bitch about nothing being available at the FKKs but a bunch of look-a-like Romanian women, but guess what guys? You created the problem with low prices and efficiencies from lots of sex acts in a large facility. Yes, Spain, Portugal, the Czech Republic and the United Kingdom are more expensive than Germany, but there is great variety in terms of the ladies and the delivery mechanisms.

Personally, I will take the Toronto system of escorting over the German FKK system any day. I think the freedom and lifestyle choices of the sex workers is important, and the variety is useful for the customers.
Kind of agree.

The guys definitely know the names of the girls who provide good service. You can get to know the girls if you speak their language (usually Romanian)... not being able to get to know them isn't a fault of FKK, it's the fault of a language barrier. Honestly the average FKK working girl has a better command of English than the Asian Agency SPs.
 
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Can you share which club was this? I was planning a trip via Frankfurt - might just go to same club as yours.
FKK Sharks is the largest facility (there is an entrance fee in the range of 60-80 Euros). You can also go to FKK Oase or FKK Palace, which are smaller facilities, and so have less choice (i.e. not recommended unless you've read reviews and know who you want to see). You can get to them by the train/bus system Hauptbanoff (HBF) or drive to them. You can also taxi but it's expensive. Just FYI the Frankfurt HBF is in the bad parts of the city, so be alert if you're traveling late at night.

At Sharks, the standard base rate is 100 Euros for 30 min (assuming it's offered, there is an upcharge of 50 Euros CIM, COF, etc.). For 1 hr usually the girls will ask for 200 Euros, but most men will haggle to 150 Euros for 1 hr. The standard is usually a single shot. Before getting into a room, discuss the general gameplan and price to make sure you're both agreeable.

Because you will be identifiable as a tourist (i.e. non-German speaker), some girls will ask you for more than usual at 150 Euros for 30 min base rate as they assume you will just pay. I recommend saying no in most cases (there are a few girls who actually regularly charge 150 Euros for 30 min because they are very popular, but they will probably also be booked very frequently and hard to get a hold of).

Also if you are physically identifiable as a tourist (i.e. non-white... especially if East Asian), some girls will be very aggressive in walking up to you and trying to get you to go to a room. Do not feel uncomfortable saying no more than once if you don't like the girl (don't be rude, just give a brief reason and smile). If you need to hide away from the girls to recharge/rest, you can usually sleep in the tents upstairs by the pools.

Most visiting guys plan for a long day. Like enough to have fun in 3-4 rooms (or even more if you're really young). The club provides acceptable buffet style food, a sauna, massage area, outdoor pool, indoor jacuzzis, bar area, "lounge areas" indoors and outdoors for you to relax in between sessions. Honestly it's not a bad idea to bring a book if you're a reader. The club doesn't allow electronics in the public areas as a general rule. The only other downside (for nonsmokers) is that smoking is very prevalent there.
 
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Do you feel handicapped if you don’t speak German?
Also, how is the transportation? How to get from hotel to these clubs? Taxi, Uber? Etc?
 

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Do you feel handicapped if you don’t speak German?
Also, how is the transportation? How to get from hotel to these clubs? Taxi, Uber? Etc?
1. Most people in major German cities learn passable English. You would have the best chance 'connecting' with the FKK girls if you spoke Romanian, as for most of them German/English are second and third languages. Generally the girls who have been there longer speak better German & English.

2. As I said in my post above, you can get to them by the train/bus system Hauptbanoff (HBF) or drive to them if you have a car rental. Just FYI the Frankfurt HBF is in the bad parts of the city, so be alert if you're traveling late at night. You can also taxi but it's expensive. There is no Uber in Frankfurt but they have similar apps (but there are few non-taxi drivers late at night, and it's more awkward to be dropped off at a FKK by a "normal person" than cabbie).

3. Just to reiterate, at Sharks, the current standard base rate is 100 Euros for 30 min... CIM/COF if offered are 50 Euro upcharges. The standard is usually a single shot, which is why most men opt for 100 Euros for 30 min (keep in mind that you go into a room already showered and gameplan laid out partially before getting into a room, so 30 min goes a longer way in a FKK than a standard incall). For 1 hr usually the girls will ask for 200 Euros, but most men will haggle to 150 Euros for 1 hr.

If you are asked to pay more than 100Eu/30min (base rate), most of the time it's because they know you are a tourist and are trying to upcharge you.

Do some research before going on what standard rates are, as this may change in the future, or you can literally ask one of the other guys there discreetly.
 
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FKK Sharks is the largest facility (there is an entrance fee in the range of 60-80 Euros). You can also go to FKK Oase or FKK Palace, which are smaller facilities, and so have less choice (i.e. not recommended unless you've read reviews and know who you want to see). You can get to them by the train/bus system Hauptbanoff (HBF) or drive to them. You can also taxi but it's expensive. Just FYI the Frankfurt HBF is in the bad parts of the city, so be alert if you're traveling late at night.
there.
thank for sharing this - will try and share review later here.
 

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I had a very lacklustre MP experience last month that soured me a bit on the Toronto MP scene. Then I went to a German FKK saunaclub during a layover in Frankfurt. Fuck, I wish we had those here!
So, believe it or not - there is a place like this coming to Toronto. Well, Markham to be specific. Near Steeles and Warden.
I went on Friday. It's got a long way to go with renovations, but their plans are very much in line with these saunaclubs. Granted, no sex - they only have a body rub license, and I got the strong impression the plan is to keep it legit. Their hope is to get a liquor license too, I wonder if any establishment in the country has both a liquor license and a body rub license?

Anyways, if you want to know more - I just wrote a review here: https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/excellent-health-spa-first-impressions.846868/
 
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I visited a few FKKs over the holidays. I have to disagree with the OP a little bit. FKKs have their pros and cons.

I visited 3 FKKs, Artemis, Oase, and Sharks. Out of the 3, Sharks was my favorite. It has a very nice Eastern/Turkish theme, with a massive main area lounge that spans two floors. The lighting fixtures were perfect and gave a true “club” feel. They also had greater varieties of ladies and it was packed. A bit pricey these days (quoted 100 for FS), but it was still an enjoyable experience.

FKKs clubs are basically a hybrid between traditional spas and strip clubs here in Canada. They’re a cool concept, but I found the “Strip Club” mentality to be too prevalent there. Unless you’re on ISG forums all day or you’re a regular, expect to be ripped off and upcharged. Especially if they smell that you’re a newbie or not from around. The flip side is that I saw lots of guys hanging out with their buddies together in these places - there was a much better social vibe to FKKs than Spas. Some of them have gyms and whole dining areas.

What caught me off guard was that the majority of ladies working at these clubs are foreigners, mostly Romanian, which isn’t my type. Reviewers already mentioned this but I was surprised at how many of them there are. I think something like 60 percent were Romanian. There were a few girls that try to make themselves German but they’re obviously faking it.

If you want to have a good time there, read the forum reviews on all the attendants there before visiting so you know which to avoid. In my experience, most of the ladies will try to hustle you if they know you’re a foreigner.

Big thank you to @Patron and many others for their helpful insights to FKKs. Helped a lot.
 

leshdrec

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FKKs clubs are basically a hybrid between traditional spas and strip clubs here in Canada. They’re a cool concept, but I found the “Strip Club” mentality to be too prevalent there. Unless you’re on ISG forums all day or you’re a regular, expect to be ripped off and upcharged. Especially if they smell that you’re a newbie or not from around. The flip side is that I saw lots of guys hanging out with their buddies together in these places - there was a much better social vibe to FKKs than Spas. Some of them have gyms and whole dining areas.

What caught me off guard was that the majority of ladies working at these clubs are foreigners, mostly Romanian, which isn’t my type. Reviewers already mentioned this but I was surprised at how many of them there are. I think something like 60 percent were Romanian. There were a few girls that try to make themselves German but they’re obviously faking it.

If you want to have a good time there, read the forum reviews on all the attendants there before visiting so you know which to avoid. In my experience, most of the ladies will try to hustle you if they know you’re a foreigner.

Big thank you to @Patron and many others for their helpful insights to FKKs. Helped a lot.
If you're new there, yes some will try to hustle you. I wouldn't say it's most of them, but unfortunately the most aggressive ones are the ones who will seek you out... they can sense newbies. You can lie and say you're not new, but I don't recommend that because they can tell right away you're new just based on how you act. That said, they'll eventually let up if you keep on saying no politely and in various ways.

Many of us are polite(ish) Canadians, so it's easy to get taken advantage of.

You need to keep in mind negotiating (before you get into a room) is commonplace there, and unless it's a top popularity working girl who truly has a higher than normal rate, for the most part they'll agree to the standard rate for standard service. Again, that is 100EU/30 min for BBBJ/CFS (it is standard there to have an upcharge of 50EU CIM, COF). For 60 min it's more variable but most will agree to 150EU/1HR.
 

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If you're new there, yes some will try to hustle you. I wouldn't say it's most of them, but unfortunately the most aggressive ones are the ones who will seek you out... they can sense newbies. You can lie and say you're not new, but I don't recommend that because they can tell right away you're new just based on how you act. That said, they'll eventually let up if you keep on saying no politely and in various ways.

Many of us are polite(ish) Canadians, so it's easy to get taken advantage of.

You need to keep in mind negotiating (before you get into a room) is commonplace there, and unless it's a top popularity working girl who truly has a higher than normal rate, for the most part they'll agree to the standard rate for standard service. Again, that is 100EU/30 min for BBBJ/CFS (it is standard there to have an upcharge of 50EU CIM, COF). For 60 min it's more variable but most will agree to 150EU/1HR.
When I went to Artemis some years ago, the girls charged set rates so there was no way they could cheat a newbie or non-local
 
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I had a very lacklustre MP experience last month that soured me a bit on the Toronto MP scene. Then I went to a German FKK saunaclub during a layover in Frankfurt. Fuck, I wish we had those here!

Imagine a strip club where 100s of beautiful (generally all 8s and 9s - mostly Romanian, but some variety) naked women are lounging around, trolling for guys to fuck them, while you enjoy drinks, food, sauna amenities, and all the eye candy you want. If some hot young bimbo catches your eye and you chat with her a bit, you can opt to take her to a room and fuck her. Pricing seems to start at 100 Euros for 30 mins. That's pretty much CAD $150 for FS with a smoke show of a woman, with no surprises since you've seen her naked and talked with her to see if you click.

Entrance priced at CAD $100 during peak hours, but you can stay as long as you like and fuck as many times and as many women as your body and Viagra will let you. Booze is an extra charge.

It's honestly such a better experience than the strip club or MP or escort experience here! I'm very jealous of the Europeans!
I went to one of these years ago…yes it was a fantasy come true. Great buffet too.
 

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Can you share which club was this? I was planning a trip via Frankfurt - might just go to same club as yours.
I have been to the FKK clubs in Germany. There are a few in Frankfurt. Manhattan is one there's another in Frankfurt I think Oasis you can search the best one is sharks. It's about a 30, 40 minute train ride from Frankfurt. I go Sharks all the time when I stay in Frankfurt it's the best.
 

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Have any of you guys ever been to FKKs in Switzerland or Austria? I might be skiing there next winter and would be great to drop in on FKKs there. I realize they might not be as good and/or might be more costly than those in Germany but at least it's something better than what we have here.
 
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