Better teachers are responsible professionals.
No, I'm not nutso. I'm a pragmatist and becoming more aware of the challenges in dealing with children.
Teachers Taking "Sick Days" - Anyone want to defend this one?
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Better teachers are responsible professionals.
No, I'm not nutso. I'm a pragmatist and becoming more aware of the challenges in dealing with children.
I am all for teachers being responsible
That is why their stand on this issue is so aggravating
They have an exceptionally rewarding compensation package
(Frankly it is far to rewarding for the province to afford)
Any responsible individual would take an objective look and determine that teachers compensation will still be excessive without banking sick days
Their actions also illustrate to kids that if you do not agree with a decision (which is in the best interest of all Ont residents), you just need to withdraw services and call in sick (i.e. lie).
Teachers are the last group I would classify as responsible
Layer on ballooning provincial debt, excessive payroll and personal taxes and it is clear we are uncompetitive
Any wonder why a company might choose to set up operations elsewhere?
Perhaps the saving grace is Quebec is in worse shape
Everyone needs a day off once in a while shit happens in life. Most teachers do not make 83 k a year btw.
I'm not sure what kind of world you guys live in but everyone takes days off for whatever reason, some need more time off for other things, not everyone has a perfect lifestyle. Looking at people like numbers on spreadsheets is what's wrong a lot of employers these days.
Ever wonder why people like you are always considered out of touch with the world?? There seems to be a lot of stupid rhetoric that spews the demonization of well paid public sector employees while not addressing the fat cats who get substantial tax breaks, which in turn cause more harm to the economy. Hypocrites.......
FAR RIGHT/BIG BUSINESS CONSPIRACY. Yes, teachers have it good compared to many workers in the private sector. But instead of complaining about it and trying to bring teachers down, why not try to get the same benefits and wages for your own profession? People who complain about teachers and other public sector workers are falling into a trap set by big business and the far right. The Far Right/Big Business want to suppress wages across the board to make things easy for business. If public sector workers lose their benefits and comfortable wages, the conspiracy will have succeeded. Why do you think Harper is bringing in foreign workers who are paid less than Canadian workers (and only pretending to reform the foreign worker system)? To suppress wages. Low wages=paradise for business.
This has to be one of the stupidest suggestions I have ever heard...
'Big Business' lives in the real world... teachers do not.
"Hello Mr. Boss... I've been thinking, I do a lot around here, so I'd like to discuss a bit of a compensation adjustment... I want 20 bankable sick days a year, AND I would like 2 months off during the summer... after all, our summers are SO short here, I don't want to miss a moment... ALSO... I almost forgot... 2 weeks off at Christmas and 1 week off in March... Oh, another thing... a handful of random 'professional development' days throughout the year... PLUS, I've been thinking about our pension, it isn't all that hot... can we crank that up a couple of notches while we're at it? Oh, did I forget to mention that moving forward I would like my hours adjusted... I'll be leaving at 3pm every day. Thanks Sir!!"
If everyone got the same benefits and wages as teachers, the private sector would shut down. It's not sustainable. The only reason teachers have it is because it's publicly supported. I'd like to see public and private employees on more equitable ground. Ground that exists somewhere between where public employees currently stand and where private employees currently stand. You can't just bring all private employees up to unsustainable levels and call it a day.
destillat writes: "This has to be one of the stupidest suggestions I have ever heard...
'Big Business' lives in the real world... teachers do not."
What is stupid is to continue to accept substandard wages and benefits.
rhuarc29 writes: "If everyone got the same benefits and wages as teachers, the private sector would shut down. It's not sustainable"
Of course, it is sustainable. Corporations make incredibly huge profits that they should share more with their employees.
'Big Business' lives in the real world... teachers do not."
What is stupid is to continue to accept substandard wages and benefits.
rhuarc29 writes: "If everyone got the same benefits and wages as teachers, the private sector would shut down. It's not sustainable"
Of course, it is sustainable. Corporations make incredibly huge profits that they should share more with their employees.
That you bunch JL and I in the same crowd tells me you're not paying attention.
Not every one 'takes' a day off. I've met more than my share of work-a-holics (never been me), who you can't drag kicking and screaming from their job/work/career/assignment.
You're the one that lives in a bell jar. Your attitude is classic 20 something thinking.
In almost my entire work history, if I didn't work I didn't get paid. I don't accumulate anything. Yes, I had time off in between but that when you did the housework and reintroduced yourself to your friends Yes, shit happens, but you plan for it and deal with it when it does. In my case I have private coverage that I pay for handsomely, only called on it once, yet it has paid for itself in spades. I've been 'public sector' for under 6 months in my life right out of university the first time. I didn't like it and left. I get the tax breaks everyone does, but also some because I've put my money/life/job on the line as self employed contractor. I certainly don't consider myself or my professional colleagues 'fat cat'.
get your head out of your ass... i make a very good wage with very good benefits with a very good pension... and i DO NOT... repeat DO NOT belong to a union, nor do i cry and poop my diaper when i don't get what i want... and more specifically, i DO NOT bleed the taxpayers into deficit after deficit after deficit to receive such benefits...
why don't you, mr probyn, spearhead the revolution to eradicate mr fatcat and give everyone in the country 'teacher-like' benefits? do it!!! do it!!!
oh wait... you can't... the real world has a concept called OPTIONS... when a business no longer makes money, they MOVE to lower tax, lower wage areas...
Not arguing that.
However, the entirety of corporate profits (~$1.8 trillion/year) would still not be enough to halve the distance between private sector workers and public sector workers. Plus, that's only if we reduced net income to 0% across the board.
Like I said, teachers need to be hauled off their lofty perch. They're only up there on the backs of people who deserve it just as much. Private and public should be more intricately linked. As it is now, when times are bad, private gets shit, and public gets the status quo. When times are good, private gets modest respite and public gets double sick days (all bankable), early retirement on an incredible pension, and entry level wages that top the mean wage for the country. Scratch that, they actually get all that when times are bad too.
Your source doesn't state that the average salary is 83k...you get an F too. Sorry buddy.
As much as you want to deny it, the onus is as much on you to prove that figure is correct as it is on others to disprove it.
I know it's false just by looking at the numbers posted in your link. Do some math and you won't get to 83. And, I'm done feeding the troll. I hope you find some happiness in your life. I hope you get lots of tax cuts in your future to give you a cheerier disposition. May you move to your NeoCon Garden of Eden, wherever that may be and find peace within yourself. godspeed.
As much as you want to deny it, the onus is as much on you to prove that figure is correct as it is on others to disprove it.
I know it's false just by looking at the numbers posted in your link. Do some math and you won't get to 83. And, I'm done feeding the troll. I hope you find some happiness in your life. I hope you get lots of tax cuts in your future to give you a cheerier disposition. May you move to your NeoCon Garden of Eden, wherever that may be and find peace within yourself. godspeed.
Will you promise to do the same if I do?
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Forget it. I see someone already did exactly what I was going to do.
I'm not sure what kind of world you live in that pays people even if they don't actually show up for work.
Ever wonder how the tax system works? The more you make, the more you pay. The reason why incentives exist for "fat cats" at the top snack bracket is to keep them motivated to making more money.
Please come to work
But what we are really saying is, that teachers in the past were already abusing the system,...so lets come up with a way to GENTLY coach them to be more responsible and less greedy.
FAST
This "theory" of why the bankable sick days was created has been bandied about by the left here quite often,..."give them an incentive to come to work"
But what we are really saying is, that teachers in the past were already abusing the system,...so lets come up with a way to GENTLY coach them to be more responsible and less greedy.
FAST
Generally that's done by one's parents during infancy. By adulthood it's too late for those who picked an occupation they weren't prepared for by gentle coaching. Greed and irresponsibility are highly desirable in stock markets for example, where the actual work done or product produced is immaterial.
Of course if your work with the kids that attracted you to teaching is being defined, supervised, assessed and compensated by people aping the profit-taking sector's greed and business school management style, you'll likely be smart enough to catch on and exploit their system with the same sense of greed and gaining advantage they had in mind when they constructed it.
The teachers didn't invent paid sick days rationed out and counted, nor did they invent banking them so the responsible unselfish teachers wouldn't be penalized compared to the greedy ones who took every day off they could.
If you want a system that produces unselfishness by rewarding it [sic] and assumes and requires responsible behaviour, then you have a whole lot of bad child-rearing across our society to undo. Starting by expecting and assuming the best instead of suspecting and assuming the worst is where the books say parents should start. You know, what they call the 'collegial, collaborative' approach.
Say something good about teachers and their association; show us how it's done.
