This not unique to teachers, many people do it. It's just another window into their sense of responsibility. It's been seen for years that some people take all their sick days year after year and it get recorded somewhere when the times for review come around. The Monday flu has been around for years.
Teachers Taking "Sick Days" - Anyone want to defend this one?
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okay so first i pay taxes, i pay a lot of taxes. i can't say more than than anyone else since i have no idea how much anyone else pays but i would say about 40-50% of my paycheck is taken off for taxes. now as a tax payer i am annoyed with how my money is being spent, it is being wasted BUT not with the teachers.
someone offered them a great deal, they took it. who wouldn't, you would be dumb as fuck to turn down what was offered to them. i don't blame them for the deal they got, i blame the people that offered them that deal. seriously would you turn that deal down ? you would have to be a fucktard to turn that deal down.
as a parent i am annoyed that my kids may not get the education they should be getting due to sick days and all that and i sure as fuck remember how i treated subs when they came in.
if you really want to talk about wasted money there are a lot more places to look than just teachers. i did a 1 year internship with the military and i can tell you that in one day i threw out enough equipment and other items to pay for at least 2 teachers salaries for the year.
so take your misplaced anger at the teachers and put it on the guy who negotiated with them. he did a shit job. the teachers like every union that sits down at a negotiation table ask for the moon, it is the job of the employer to bring them to reality. the employer folded probably cuz a strike threat and parents screamed don't let a strike happen. teachers are in a good place for negotiating. so now they are collecting on the things they were given in the contract. i don't agree with or like the contract but it is their right to do so.
All public service contracts are going to be reviewed and "cracked open" . Eventually reality bites, and other peoples money runs out, we are there now in this province. The government will tweak away at the edges for as long as they can to save their political hides; sick days, work rules, benefits, pensions - all of it is going to go through adjustments and both sides positions will harden, union agitators will try and fight the tide, and eventually it might get ugly like in Wisconsin in the US, or Greece.
Haven't you heard? All emergency services have had the screws put to them in this city.
Most? Supply far exceeds demand at this point. Unlike many public sector jobs, direct equivalents exist in the private sector for comparison. Would any one care to guess what private school teachers earn? Benefits?
True, and there are consequences in the private sector.
Are you referring to the ETFO's position that the pay freeze means that salary will not keep pace with inflation and therefore is effectively a pay cut?
The Province is cutting the number of teacher grads because of a surplus of teachers. Wrong way to go. Keep the grad rate steady so they can replace these leaches. Abuse the system...you're fired...we got a whole pile of people looking for jobs.
Anyone defending teachers at this point was clearly educated by these assholes who have corrupted the system for years.
Anyone defending teachers at this point was clearly educated by these assholes who have corrupted the system for years.
deno in the second year of the contract teachers took a 1.5% decrease in salary they get 3 extra days off without pay and they are Friday before Christmas break
Friday before march break Thursday before Good Friday = 1.5% decrease
Friday before march break Thursday before Good Friday = 1.5% decrease
I'm curious. Is teaching one of the very few jobs that provide sick days as a benefit? In the states most salaried jobs include some type of paid, unscheduled time off. Any union job, whether hourly or salary also has this benefit. Except for very small companies, I doubt if any have a proof of illness requirement. Without that requirement, any complaint about teachers taking sick days, which they are legally entitled to under their contract, I repeat, irrelevant.
What level of illness qualifies as "sick enough"? If you've ever worked a job with paid sick days, have you ever used one when you probably could have worked? I know people who are useless with a simple allergy attack or headache. I know other's who go to work when they should be hospitalized. Even knew one who died on the job because he was tired of all the complaints about his "sick" days.
Like it or not, agree with it or not, the teachers are within their rights. Whether or not they are acting morally is something I'm not qualified to determine. Here's a test to help decide if you are qualified to judge the morality of their actions:
Sit down with your family, friends or co-workers and discuss this issue. But preface it with the information that you are a member of TERB and why you are a member of TERB. The truth, not the lame "I read it for the articles" excuse.
What level of illness qualifies as "sick enough"? If you've ever worked a job with paid sick days, have you ever used one when you probably could have worked? I know people who are useless with a simple allergy attack or headache. I know other's who go to work when they should be hospitalized. Even knew one who died on the job because he was tired of all the complaints about his "sick" days.
Like it or not, agree with it or not, the teachers are within their rights. Whether or not they are acting morally is something I'm not qualified to determine. Here's a test to help decide if you are qualified to judge the morality of their actions:
Sit down with your family, friends or co-workers and discuss this issue. But preface it with the information that you are a member of TERB and why you are a member of TERB. The truth, not the lame "I read it for the articles" excuse.
Union math
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Are you telling me that the teacher's T4 will show a decrease in income when comparing the last year of the old contract,...to the 2nd year of the new contract ???
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I did read. I just don't agree. You have not brought any facts so it is just personal experience vrs personal experience. Opinion vrs opinion. You came in here and int he last teacher thread I was in and bashed people who do not favor your teachers. You are rude and immature. Based on your attitude I feel you would not be a good teacher. Yes 100% that is true. You said that my opinion is completely invalid {essentially ending the debate between you and me - ie, taking your ball and running home} based on my profession. Two completely different things. I was even clear that is was simply my opinion and not meant to be a jab or insulting. You said what you said out of anger and defensiveness. Another reason that no, I would not want you teaching my child.
You defend blindly because of your bias. I have provided real world experiences to back up my opinion.
Anyway, since my opinion means nothing you can stop posting to me. Clearly you have no interest in what I have to say and I am not going to continue to defend myself against your attempted attacks on me and other posters for that matter. You teach! Teachers rule in your opinion, our government sucks, blah, blah blah. I get it. We get it. Done now with ya. Thanks
I have and do. I do not hide my involvement with TERB. However I agree that it is actually irrelevant. My tax dollars pay the wages of the teachers. My children are taught by the teachers, therefore I have every right to judge. Regardless of my profession, or hobby. Sorry but to try and take away a person's right to have an opinion based on their involvement in this hobby is one of the weakest arguments out there and stinks of desperation on the part of the person trying to use it as valid point to debate. I am actually quite disappointed in you for that attempt.
I went to school in 4 different Provinces. Ontario was the worst. I can count on less than one hand the number of truly dedicated, competent, difference making teachers. The reverence is misplaced, misguided and sad.
cool so you got taught by the same teachers as the rest of us. i am still stuck on how you blame teachers for asking for a lot when you should be blaming the negotiators that sat down with them who handed it over.
i can count how many teachers i had that made a difference to me and i can do it without getting angry as well.
I don't think that the government just "handed" it over back then, but that is another opinion.
