Without permits means there was never any inspections during the construction phase... the place could be held together with duct tape for all we know... this is why the only solution is to take it down. Would you want to buy this house not knowing this... and later have if fall apart and kill your family?
Toronto couple built an addition to house without permits told to tear it down.
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That's the thing that grinds my gears about this whole situation. As the links in the most recent Torstar article show, the city considers and issues variances all the freakin' time. But for whatever reason the Tsengs, despite having both a realtor and a lawyer in the family, decided they would dispense with the usual course of things and just tack a chunk onto the house without permits and without inspections. And then when they were caught, they scream discrimination rather than 'fessing up and trying to make things right.
Penny wise, and pound foolish.
The difference is that, in Canada, the inspector gets fired.
In China, the firing comes from the business end of a gun.
Perry
Whatever the fine it should fully pay the City's costs in fighting the unlawful building. To make clear that you don't just get to buy your way out of the process that's there to protect us all from bad builders there should be a punitive amount added to any retroactive permit fee, issued out of misplaced pity. However, out of pity, I would grant them permission to replace—to current building and zoning standards—the original piece of the house they demolished, even though they had no legal permit or right to do that.
You're sorta arguing the aged bank robber they finally caught should be allowed to keep the cash because the insurance (that we all pay for) paid off long ago.
There most certainly need not be drawings to get such a construction up in the air, nor need it be built to any known building code , safety standard or law except the law of gravity. The only way to do the sorts of inspections required by the permit process would be to strip off the drywall and the siding to reveal the framing and sheathing, wiring, plumbing, and how it was all put together. That's what every other builder has to do. And remember, one day someone will be buying this ramshackle pig in a poke. How will you know you're making an offer on this ramshackle pig in a poke they gave a 'pass' to?
These people deserve no special treatment, beyond some human regard for the real suffering their outlaw actions have finally caused them. But that should not extend to special treatment we then should in fairness owe everyone else.
Yes. To get to where they are in the process they must have incurred some extraordinary costs in the process. I have no sympathy for the conceited, stupid and stubborn. Now that the City is "all in" I hope this does go to the final court and a fairly sizeable punitive + costs award is made to the City to discourage these kinds of shenanigans.
If it's closed in, how are you going to inspect it? Think about it.
I doubt there are drawings either and even if there were, they were not reviewed and approved by the Building Department.
The whole thing should be torn down and then they can go through the entire process of getting the proper approvals.
Woe is fucking me, cry me a river. I know of many people like them: immigrants that have been here for decades, loaded (but cry poor) and trying to circumvent the law. Their daughter is a lawyer so these two can't be that uninformed.
Fuck them, I hope they suffer and suffer hard. All their suffering is self inflicted and it is a result of a "fuck everyone else I'm all right Jack" type attitude. They deserve many bad things.
You are one mean bastard!!!!
I guess "compassion" is not a word that belongs in your lexicon.
Perry
I bet you there isn't drawings. If you are going to go through the time and expense of making drawings (and I don't mean on a napkin) then the cost of getting permits is peanuts.
Additionally, unless the inspectors have x-ray vision how are they supposed to inspect it?
Have you ever seen Holmes on Homes and he takes apart these dreadfully done renos, additions, etc? This stuff ain't made up, I see it all the time. Jobs done without permits and inspection are almost always disasters behind the walls.
You're right. The fine should cover the legal fees and then they should tear the damn thing down.
No... that is chutzpah!
And that is a joke not real people... who may or may not be very stupid, but that is no reason for wishing them ill. Justice, yes; "hard suffering" and "many bad things" is something else
Perry
Everyone deserves compassion. That has nothing to do with fulfilling the requirements of the law and the rightful expectaions of the neighbours and other citizens who did do as the law clearly required. Having repeatedly and blatantly ignored or denied all the many possibilies and avenues for doing things aright, this couple, and their lawyer daughter who owns the home have exhausted any claim for legal, administrative compassion.
They're now down to, "Wuzza, wuzza, poor babies." at least until they come up with a petition from their neighbours up, down and around the block, saying they all believe the zoning and planning laws should be waived. Which would still leave the matter of the Building Code, which should not be. But if they took out liability coverage for the neighbours on whom the addition might fall, and posted a bond to ensure it was demolished before any sale was completed, then I suppose compassion could reasonably extend to allowing the couple to end their days there.
But that is asking a lot, for people who've shown no respect for others.
I have compassion for those who deserve it, they don't. They are self absorbed cuntbags who deserve everything they get. They are acting like cunts who think they are above the law and putting extra expense on the civic taxpayer when they are obviously in the wrong and wasting people's time. They might not be Bernard, Hitler or Beiber level of scum, but they are not exactly a 5 year old in a cancer ward either.
Much like respect, compassion is something you should earn. If you go driving 200 Mph through a school zone while sucking back on a crack pipe and jerking off to child porn and red mist yourself onto a brick wall, I say good. Self inflicted and the gene pool gets cleaned up. Have compassion for the owners of that poor brick wall though. They don't deserve to had a perfectly good wall to get ruined like that.
Or Paul Bernardo complaining because he picked up the Aids or the Herpes from one of his victims.
