Trudeau Selfie With Terror Suspect

[Butler1000]

They were a terrorist organisation. Yes the Catholics were discriminated against in Northern Ireland but that was no excuse to carry out those terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom.

Were they? Considering they came to the table and worked out a peace deal I would put them with FARC now.

I think it's the eventual outcome that should be the deciding factor and not the process. That is the only way healing can truly occur.

Looks like everything worked out fine once the English took them seriously and both sides realized peace was worth concessions.

Would you also say the same of the Japanese? The Germans? Should wars last forever?

Doesn't seem to be working well in the middle east......

 

[bver_hunter]

Were they? Considering they came to the table and worked out a peace deal I would put them with FARC now.

I think it's the eventual outcome that should be the deciding factor and not the process. That is the only way healing can truly occur.

Looks like everything worked out fine once the English took them seriously and both sides realized peace was worth concessions.

Would you also say the same of the Japanese? The Germans? Should wars last forever?

Doesn't seem to be working well in the middle east......

If planting bombs where innocent civilians get killed or badly injured is not terrorism, what is terrorism? No doubt the Ulsterist Protestants carried out their form of brutal massacres against the Catholics in Northern Ireland and can also be considered to be terrorists as well.

Some people considered the PLO to be a terrorist organisation, but we have the PLO leader attending Peres' funeral. They also tried to negotiate albeit unsuccessfully a peace agreement with Israel. But no doubt they carried out acts of terrorism just like the Israelis did during this ongoing conflict.

 

[SkyRider]

Some people considered the PLO to be a terrorist organisation, but we have the PLO leader attending Peres' funeral.

That was a huge goodwill gesture by Mahmoud Abbas (and at some risk to himself from extremist Palestinians). Some people still call Abbas and Peres terrorists, which may or may not have been true at some past point in history but we can't change the past we can only affect the future. I hope the Palestinians and Israelis do find peace and reconciliation.

The Irish and the Jews provided moral support to each other in their struggle to gain independence from the British. In recent years the Irish have shown sympathy to the plight of the Palestinians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland–Israel_relations

http://www.middleeasteye.net/in-depth/features/unbreakable-bond-ireland-and-palestine-2021731160

 

[fuji]

Were they?

Yes. The IRA were a terrorist organization. They detonated bombs that targeted civilians. They killed children. They were vile.

It's great that peace has come to N. Ireland, and granting amnesty to the terrorists in order to achieve peace was likely the right move--continued violence benefited no one. But that doesn't change the fact that they were terrorists.

And it doesn't excuse SkyRider for supporting terrorists.

 

[SkyRider]

And it doesn't excuse SkyRider for supporting terrorists.

Do you have any understanding what reconciliation means? Do you think shaking the hand of a former IRA commander makes the Queen a terrorist supporter?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...McGuinness-historic-meeting-closed-doors.html

You probably think that Mandela, Abbas, Peres, Jeremy Corbyn, etc. were or are terrorists and/or terrorist supporters. As usual, you are pissing against the wind.

 

[fuji]

Do you have any understanding what reconciliation means? Do you think shaking the hand of a former IRA commander makes the Queen a terrorist supporter?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...McGuinness-historic-meeting-closed-doors.html

You probably think that Mandela, Abbas, Peres, Jeremy Corbyn, etc. were or are terrorists and/or terrorist supporters. As usual, you are pissing against the wind.

I think you are a terrorist supporter since you refuse to denounce IRA terrorism.

 

[Butler1000]

Yes. The IRA were a terrorist organization. They detonated bombs that targeted civilians. They killed children. They were vile.

It's great that peace has come to N. Ireland, and granting amnesty to the terrorists in order to achieve peace was likely the right move--continued violence benefited no one. But that doesn't change the fact that they were terrorists.

And it doesn't excuse SkyRider for supporting terrorists.

The point again is once they signed for peace I believe they became "freedom fighters". It is history that will eventually show them as such.

Terrorists don't compromise. And don't give up the violence. Freedom Fighters do once a settlement is achievable.

Were the French Resistance Terrorists? Wanna bet they killed a few kids? Too many others to name. Think Castro's rebels wouldn't be considered terrorists if they lost?

Point again. If they lay down arms, they cease to be terrorists. They achieved their goals.

 

[fuji]

The point again is once they signed for peace I believe they became "freedom fighters". It is history that will eventually show them as such.

Terrorists don't compromise. And don't give up the violence. Freedom Fighters do once a settlement is achievable.

Were the French Resistance Terrorists? Wanna bet they killed a few kids? Too many others to name. Think Castro's rebels wouldn't be considered terrorists if they lost?

Point again. If they lay down arms, they cease to be terrorists. They achieved their goals.

Sorry, no. People who target civilians are terrorists.

Period.

 

[Butler1000]

I think you are a terrorist supporter since you refuse to denounce IRA terrorism.

I don't either fuji. And will say so directly. Oppression must be fought. Just because they were English doesn't mean they were civilized. They oppressed. And so had to be fought.

Sometimes you can talk, sometimes you have to fight before the powers that be will take you seriously.

The children argument is bullshit. Children die in conflict. Period. Vilifying one group and. Supporting another is hypocritical. But there is no such thing as a civilian casualty free war. Doesn't happen.

So spare the fake hand wringing. It doesn't wash. We know your ideology to well.

 

[Butler1000]

Sorry, no. People who target civilians are terrorists.

Period.

So every military is? How about the Allies to Dresden? The Americans at Hiroshima?

On and on. Sorry you lost this one. This is and never has been a civilian casualty free war.

 

[fuji]

So every military is?

Nope. Those who target civilians for political reasons are.

 

[Frankfooter]

So every military is? How about the Allies to Dresden? The Americans at Hiroshima?

On and on. Sorry you lost this one. This is and never has been a civilian casualty free war.

Too bad fuji doesn't think you can ever change.

In his 93 years, Mr. Peres went from terrorist to architect of a peace agreement to senior statesman. What an amazing life! Rest in peace.

That makes fuji a terrorist supporter as well.

Hey CSIS....wanna do a bit of backchecking on a few folks here......?

 

[bver_hunter]

That was a huge goodwill gesture by Mahmoud Abbas (and at some risk to himself from extremist Palestinians). Some people still call Abbas and Peres terrorists, which may or may not have been true at some past point in history but we can't change the past we can only affect the future. I hope the Palestinians and Israelis do find peace and reconciliation.

The Irish and the Jews provided moral support to each other in their struggle to gain independence from the British. In recent years the Irish have shown sympathy to the plight of the Palestinians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland–Israel_relations

http://www.middleeasteye.net/in-depth/features/unbreakable-bond-ireland-and-palestine-2021731160

I agree that it was a brave gesture from Abbas and no doubt Peres tried to negotiate a permanent settlement with the Palestinians. Hopefully, one day Palestine will be an independent country that lives in peace with Israel and they together fight the serious threat of terrorism in their region.

 

[fuji]

That makes fuji a terrorist supporter as well.

Perez never belonged to any terrorist organization, liar. I consistently denounce terrorism everywhere. You on the other hand are defending SkyRider because you are yourself a supporter of Hamas.

 

[SkyRider]

The point again is once they signed for peace I believe they became "freedom fighters". It is history that will eventually show them as such.

As you can see, it is impossible to reason with him because he is irrational. The only reason I bother responding is for the benefit of the other Board members. Can't let his bullshit go unchallenged.

According to his bizarre definition of a terrorist. Then Nelson Mandela would be a terrorist and anybody who ever voted for him would be a terrorist supporter.

 

[SkyRider]

That makes fuji a terrorist supporter as well.

He conveniently forgets that Shimon Peres (RIP) was the leader of the Stern Gang.

 

[fuji]

He conveniently forgets that Shimon Peres (RIP) was the leader of the Stern Gang.

No he wasn't.

I'm happy to denounce the Stern Gang, Irgun, Lehi. Terrorist scumbags are terrorist scumbags regardless which side.

Perez never had anything to do with them. He fought with Havana, the predecessor to the IDF, which disarmed the terrorists at gunpoint and forced them to disarm.

Meanwhile you STILL haven't denounced the IRA.

 

[SkyRider]

Some people considered the PLO to be a terrorist organisation

On the other hand, some people consider Israel to be a terrorist state.
http://www.thehypertexts.com/Israeli Prime Ministers Terrorists Nakba.htm

 

[SkyRider]

Meanwhile you STILL haven't denounced the IRA.

Why aren't you praising the IRA for agreeing to a peace treaty, disarming and disbanding?

 

[fuji]

Why aren't you praising the IRA for agreeing to a peace treaty, disarming and disbanding?

I'm glad they did that. The world would have been better off if the conflict could have been resolved by killing them off or at least imprisoning them, but that deal with odious terrorists was the least bloody way to achieve peace.

They are still terrorist scumbags for setting off bombs that killed children. Why can't you bring yourself to denounce terrorism?